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Title: help please
Post by: Nozza66 on Saturday 25 October 14 13:41 BST (UK)
Hi all was wondering for some help  i have a name i cant seem to find her birth or who her mother is so any info would be great
name Bridget Maria Gagan
born abt 1850 ,death 1917 aged 67 yrs at Port Pirie
married 1869 to Edward Markham  born 1839,death 1909 aged 70 yrs
married at St Patricks,  Undalya South Australia , grooms father Michael Markham brides father Michael Gagan she was from Pine Creek think she may have a sister name Anne Gagan as she was a witness at the marriage .
thank you
Title: Re: help please
Post by: Essie on Saturday 25 October 14 14:20 BST (UK)
Michael GAGAN of Pine Creek had a wife named Mary CROW/CROWE.

Essie
Title: Re: help please
Post by: Neil Todd on Saturday 25 October 14 21:38 BST (UK)
As there is no birth for a Bridget Maria on the indexes it is possible she changed her name for the wedding a birth is recorded for a
Mary   GAGEN in 1847   Father Michael GAGEN   mother Mary CROWE in Adelaide ref # 2/22

The Surnames names are varied for this family under GAGAN, GAGHGAN, GAHAGEN, GAGEN.
MOTHER UNDER  CROWE AND CROW

Neil
Title: Re: help please
Post by: cando on Saturday 25 October 14 22:20 BST (UK)
Something rings a bell with this family.  Perhaps we have helped you or another chatter :-\

MARKHAM Edward  27 years  Status single  Father Michael MARKHAM
GAGAN Bridget  19 years  Status single  Father Michael GAGAN
21 Apr 1969
At St Patricks Church, Undalya    Gil  Symbol V  79/257 

V. A variation exists in the spelling or interpretation of the names:
·   A slight difference in the spelling of the given or surname between
·   The Registrar's and the Bride and Groom's version. The bride and
·   Grooms spelling is preferred where it is clearly written.
·   The Registrar has recorded two versions.
·   Due to poor handwriting different interpretations of names are possible.

Could this be her sister marrying in 1871.

KELLY John 22 years  Status Single  Father John KELLY
GAGEN Ann 21 years Status Single  Father Michael GAGAN
27 Jul 1871
At St Aloysius Church, Sevenhill  Cla Symbol X  88/246
Cross Reference: GEOGHEGAN Ann
Registered twice with spelling variations for the bride surname.

Possibly siblings
GAGHAN John  24 years  Status Single  Father Michael GAGHAN
HUPPATZ Mary  24 years Status Single  Father Frederick HUPPATZ
21 Feb 1884
At St Stephens, Saddleworth   Gil 138/637

GAGHAN Michael Joseph  27 years  Status single  Father Michael GAGHAN
CUSACK Annie  23 years  Status Single  Father Patrick CUSACK
10 Jan 1889
At St Joseph RC Church Orroroo  Fro 158/136

Cando





Title: Re: help please
Post by: cando on Saturday 25 October 14 23:18 BST (UK)
Biographical Index of South Australians
Not always accurate but an excellent resource to start your SA research.

GEOGHEGAN Michael 
Arrived by 1847.
Lived Marion
Religion Roman Catholic
Married Mary nee CROWE.
Children Mary 1847-, Bridget 1849-, Ann 1851-.

Cando
Title: Re: help please
Post by: cando on Saturday 25 October 14 23:29 BST (UK)
Births regs

GAGEN Mary
19 Oct 1847
Father Michael GAGEN  Mother Mary CROWE
At Sturt Bridge   Ade 2/22

GAGHAN Michael
6 Feb 1857
Father Michael GAGHAN  Mother Mary CROW
At Sturt   Ade 7/161

GAGAN Margaret
22 Apr 1862
Father Michael GAGAN   Mother Mary CROW
At Pine Creek   Cla 24/526

GAGAN James
27 Dec 1864
Father Michael GAGAN  Mother Mary CROW
At Pine Creek  Cla 34/576

Cando
Title: Re: help please
Post by: cando on Saturday 25 October 14 23:35 BST (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01e23/
The South Australian Register  27 Nov 1847

CRIMINAL JURISDICTION. , - Gaghan V Baker .
George Baker, a bullock-driver, appeared to answer the complaint of Michael Gaghan, bullock-driver, for an assault on the 13th instant, near the Mt Kangoroo Hotel, on the Sturt road. .......................................

Cando
Title: Re: help please
Post by: Neil Todd on Saturday 25 October 14 23:44 BST (UK)
I note the difference in stated ages of BOTH bride and groom at the wedding in 1869. He states 27yrs but born 1839 she 19yrs. but 22 yrs if 1847?

Wondering if they are related to a couple of fellas I once motor raced against, the GEOGHEGAN Brothers. Both famous for wins at Bathurst and I could swear they came from SA. ::)

Neil
Title: Re: help please
Post by: cando on Saturday 25 October 14 23:58 BST (UK)
Bridget is noted as 19 years in 1869 so born c1850.  There is a 10 year gap from 1847 to 1857 where no births appear to have been registered to this couple.  Perhaps a visit to the Catholic Archives for a parish register search.  I searched my resource using G*G*N so should have captured all the registered births.

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Wondering if they are related to a couple of fellas I once motor raced against, the GEOGHEGAN Brothers. Both famous for wins at Bathurst and I could swear they came from SA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Geoghegan
Born NSW 1940
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Geoghegan

Cando
Title: Re: help please
Post by: cando on Sunday 26 October 14 00:06 BST (UK)
Previous
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,589366.0.html

Cando
Title: Re: help please
Post by: cando on Sunday 26 October 14 00:29 BST (UK)
Possibly the parents deaths.

GAGHAN Michael  80 years  Status Married  Relative John GAGHAN [Son]
27 Dec 1893
Residence Wilmington  Death Place Wilmington  Fro 215/433

GEOGHAN Mary  75 years  Status Widow  Relative Michael GEOGHAN [Deceased Husband]
17 Nov 1895
Residence Hundred of Mannanarie   Death Place Hundred of Mannanarie  Cla 232/388


Cando
Title: Re: help please
Post by: cando on Sunday 26 October 14 01:42 BST (UK)
Mr and Mrs GAGHAN and four children arriving SA from Sydney in Nov 1844.
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1844Dorset.gif

In the SA newspapers there are numerous mentions of a Michael GAGHAN [and spelling variations] and a Mary GAGHAN as being in need of relief from the Destitute Board.  Stated he had a large family/six children, and was noted as both an epileptic.

Cando



Title: Re: help please
Post by: Neil Todd on Sunday 26 October 14 03:57 GMT (UK)
In NSW Lucy. 1844

LUCY   GEOGHEGAN FATHER MICHAEL MOTHER MARY REF # 1867/1844 V18441867 134

Neil   
Title: Re: help please
Post by: Neil Todd on Sunday 26 October 14 04:03 GMT (UK)
Also.1842

MARY A GEGHEGAN, FATHER MICHAEL, MOTHER MARY, REF# A637/1842 V1842637 145

Neil

(wildcard search works well now)
Title: Re: help please
Post by: cando on Sunday 26 October 14 04:07 GMT (UK)
Haven't been able to get on that website all day ::)  Having problems with rootschat links and TROVE stalling.  I think I'll do some office work :P :P

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01e28/
South Australian Register  29 Jul 1856
DESTITUTE BOARD
Michael Geoghan, married; had been ill two years ; had six children ; had been 15 years in the colony, and was already receiving four rations; applied for continuance of relief.     Rations to be continued for wife and family; himself to attend the Colonial Surgeon for doctor’s certificate.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01e27/
South Australian Register 8 Jan 1859
DESTITUTE BOARD
APPLICANTS FOR RELIEF.
The following applications from country districts were disposed of as specified in each case. ……..Michael Geoghan, epileptic, 6 children, wife very helpless ; 3 rations.

30 Jul 1859
DESTITUTE BOARD.
Monday, July 25.
Present — The Colonial Surgeon, the Immigration Agent, the Secretary, and the Relieving Officer.
COUNTRY APPLICATIONS.
YATALA. From Dr. Fisher, requesting an increased quantity of rations for Michael Geoghan and family. The application was endorsed by the Chairman of the District. Three rations were granted for three months.

31 Jan 1860
DESTITUTE BOARD.
MONDAY, JANUARY 30.
Present-Dr. Moore, Colonial Surgeon; Mr. Holt house, Secretary ; and Mr. Bee, Relieving Officer.
Tho RELIEVING OFFICER reported that he had issued rations since last meeting to Michael Geoghan ……

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article40083804
South Australian Register 4 Oct 1875
Mentions of youths Michael and John GEOGHAN; sheep stealing; Undalya and father, but not named.  “Geoghan lives one section from the [butcher’s] yard” at Undalya.

Cando
 
Title: Re: help please
Post by: cando on Sunday 26 October 14 04:14 GMT (UK)
Neil two of the regs mentions mother as Mary A.

https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/result?2

Cando
Title: Re: help please
Post by: Neil Todd on Sunday 26 October 14 04:22 GMT (UK)
oops my apologies, it was MARY A. That's what you get when you don't carefully CAP. ::)

Neil

Are Mexicans ok in nsw now.... ;D
Title: re: a big Thank you All
Post by: Nozza66 on Monday 27 October 14 07:10 GMT (UK)
a great big thank you to all for any info that you have given to me .