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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: Lenhoppy on Saturday 25 October 14 11:26 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am trying to connect my ancestors between John Prior Hopkin born may1827
his father and mother William and and \Sarah Denver Norfolk
I cannot find a marriage or death date for John Prior Hopkin any where
I have lost the link from him up till George Hammond Hopkin born Denver born 1855 other wise I am up to date. there was a son called Prior Hopkin to the same mother who died at 3 years of age
Len
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Hi Len
FreeBMD has a death: John Prior HOPKIN age 58, Registered: Sep Qtr 1883, Kensington - could this be him?
How does George Hammond HOPKIN fit in? He was the son of William HOPKIN & a Mary? Married Maria FALL in 1854?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Marriage: June qtr 1852
St Pancras district vol 1b, page 161
Hopkin, John Prior
+ and on the same page +
Puckridge, Sophia
Marriage record:
19th June 1852 at the Parish Church in the Parish of St Pancras, by Licence
John Prior Hopkin, of full age, Bachelor, Greengrocer, of St Pancras
Sophia Puckridge, of full age, Spinster of St Pancras
Fathers: William Hopkin, dead and George Thomas Puckridge, dead
("dead" appears under "Father's Rank or Profession"!)
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Do you have the censuses?
1861
Class: RG 9; Piece: 36; Folio: 80; Page: 14
1st October Street, Chelsea, Middlesex
Hopkin, John P Head M 34 Greengrocer b Deane, Norfolk
Hopkin, Sophia Wife F 35 b Shoreditch
Hopkin, John P Son M 8 Scholar b Chelsea
Hopkin, Sarah S Daughter F 6 Scholar b Chelsea
Hopkin, Henry H Son M Son M 4 b Chelsea
Hopkin, Jessey E Daughter F 1 b Chelsea
1841 census:
Class: HO107; Piece: 754; Book: 7; Folio: 20; Page: 7
Ten Mile Bank, Denver, Norfolk
Hopkin, Abraham M 25 Farmer
Hopkin, Mary F 25
Hopkin, Abraham M 3
Hopkin, John Chris M 1
Hopkin, John Pry. M 14
Hopkin, George M 9
Hopkin, Mary F 44
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Hi Guys
Many thanks
The John Prior Hopkin definitely does not fit in
George Hammond Hopkin I am sure he fits in as I remember my father mentioning that he was born in Denver and moved to linthorpe Mbro I know the exact street Benson St
I also know that I am related to Francis and Sarah Hopkin nee Hammond married in 1778 at Fordham Norfolk
Some where in between I have gone wrong
I will keep battling on
Regards
Len
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Start again from who you DO know!
And then trace them back.
Trying to "connect" families is far too difficult! ::)
Can we start from your grandparents? Or Great-Grandparents?
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Len, who are you trying to link?
John Prior Hopkin
bap 8 May 18 27 St Mary Denver Norfolk, son of William (farmer) & Sarah Hopkin
George Hammond Hopkin Do you mean this one baptised in 1832???
bap 21 Nov 1832 St Mary Denver Norfolk
parents William (farmer) and Mary HOPKIN
Note mother's names are different
this could be why
Sarah Hopkin
buried 26 Feb 1829 St Mary Denver Norfolk aged 45
Re-marriage for William??
William HOPKIN Widower m (by licence) Mary HANES of Emneth Widow23 May 1831 St Mary Denver Norfolk
Witnesses: William Hanes & Ann Hanes
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Having looked at your other thread this looks like how your family line links to Francis and Sarah Hopkin (nee Hammond) (Hopefully I have not made a mistake)
you born 1928
your father Walter Hammond Hopkin born 1900
your grandfather Walter William or William Walter Hopkin born 1875
your great grandfather George Hammond Hopkin born c1832 in Denver Norfolk
George Hammond Hopkin was the half brother of John Prior Hopkin born 1827, they shared father William Hopkin. John's mother was Sarah and George Hammond's mother was Mary.
Here is the burial for William Hopkin (your 2x great grandfather):
William Hopkin buried 4 Jan 1839 age 58 St Mary Denver Norfolk
this would indicate that William was born c1781
there is this baptism for a William Hopkins in 1781in Denver:
17 Apr 1781 son of Francis & Sarah Hopkins
and this marriage for Francis Hopkins and Sarah Hammonds
21 Dec 1778 at St Mary Denver Norfolk
Witnesses: John PRYER & William BRIGHTON
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hi
many thanks to all who replied
what I know; George Hammond Hopkin born Denver Norfolk 1832 was my ancestor because my father was born in Benson st Linthorpe the same address that George Hammond moved to from Denver
To much of a coincident to be incorrect
Geo first wife was Maria who died and he remarried to Mary
As one of you mentioned, which I did not know was that John Prior Hopkin was half brother to Geo.
I was wondering how the name Prior kept creeping in ,because Sarah Hopkin nee Hammond had a son named Prior who died approx. 3 years
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Do you not have your father's birth certificate?! :o
That would be essential if you want to find his parent's names!
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Hi
No I do not have my fathers birth certificate as I am now aged 86 years it is long gone but I do now know all his details
Incidentally Just out of curiosity I googled my name " Hopkin Family,Norfolk" and much to my surprise two other people had just contacted each other who where related to myself and my ancestor's,unfortunately It was dated 10 years ago so I have no idea how to contact them
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A possibility????
There is this marriage between a Francis Hopkin and Ann Prior in Downham in 1751
County of Norfolk Downham Market
Church of St Edmund At
Marriage Date 20th Oct 1751
Groom's name Francis HOPKIN
Brides name Ann PRIOR
File Ref Number 10064
link to original record which shows that Ann Prior was from Fordham
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12375-41807-9?cc=1416598&wc=92BP-ZJ7:29489701,29373001,29814701
it looks like this couple had a son Francis Hopkin baptised in Fordham in 1754
County of Norfolk
St Mary Ats fordham
Baptism Date 14th Dec 1754
name Francis
Sex Male
Fathers name Francis Hopkin
Mothers name Anne Hopkin
File ref Number 12145
It could be that this Francis married Sarah Hammond in 1778 in Denver
Denver, Fordham and Downham are all in close proximity
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Len, just in case you don't have this information:
William Hopkin's 2nd wife Mary Hanes, mother of George Hammond Hopkin born c1832, was a widow when she married William in 1831. I think she may have been born Mary Smithee and married John Hanes in 1817. It's possible that they had a daughter Mary Smythee Haynes who married William's son Abraham Hopkin (born c1815 Denver) in 1837. (If this is correct then they would have been step brother and sister). Mary (widow of William, he died in 1839) is shown on the 1841 census aged 44, living with Abraham and Mary Hopkin and family.
Link for marriage of Abraham & Mary Hopkin (nee Haynes/Hanes)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12652-6180-40?cc=1416598&wc=92B5-DPV:29473001,29373001,29586501
if you look at the marriage cert you will see that Mary was a minor and her guardian was William Hopkin who was also a witness to the marriage
Marriage for John & Mary Hanes (nee Smithee)
Name: John Hanes
Spouse's Name: Mary Smithee
Event Date: 27 Oct 1817
Event Place: Emneth, Norfolk, England
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In the Bury & Norwich Post, & East Anglian: Or, Suffolk, Norfolk, Essex, Cambridge, and Ely Intelligencer Newspaper edition dated 2nd January 1839 there is the death recorded for Mr William Hopkin (Farmer) it states that he died suddenly on Monday last and was from Denver Sluice.
Maybe Aunt Marion was right about your ancestors being quite well off!!! (Generally Ag Labourers didn't have their deaths recorded in the paper) It might be worth looking to see if he left a will.
Link to Len's other post:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=699564.0
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Yes he did leave a Will, available here
http://www.norfolksources.norfolk.gov.uk/DserveNS/
Mentions wife Mary and children Francis Hopkin, Abraham Hopkin, William Hopkin, John Seyer(?) Hopkin and Geotge Hammond Hopkin.
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Thank you guys I do not how you can do it
It leaves me a lot to digest
Regards
Len
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Hi Len
I have found your message rather belatedly but have the following info for you :
John Prior Hopkin was born in Denver, Norfolk on 2 May 1827 and died 3 July 1883 in Kensington, London. He was the first of three John Prior Hopkins, the last of whom was my grandfather.