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A photo and transcription of the Peter Stewart family memorial which I got some time ago from a kind volunteer on this site had "son Peter died at New York 16-6-1914 aged 55 y".
Curiosity led me to the Cypress Hills National Cemetery in Brooklyn NY and a photo of a tombstone for United States Marine Corps Gunnery Sgt. Peter Stewart, Medal of Honor recipient died 17-6-1914. The Medal of Honor is the highest US award for valour, equivalent to the Victoria Cross in the UK and here in Canada. He was awarded this for his actions during the Boxer Rebellion in 1900.
I have very strong evidence that the Peter Stewart memorialized in Leslie Cemetery is the same Peter Stewart buried in a military cemetery in NY and am now trying to get the USMC to change their date of birth for this man from 17 Feb 1858 to his dob in Airdrie of 1 Feb 1859 and his date of death from 17 June 1914 to 16 June 1914. I have a copy of a letter from the USMC to Peter's sister Helen (listed above him on the family stone) giving her the correct date while they engraved the wrong date on his stone in NY!
To assist me in dealing with the USMC I would appreciate a photo showing as clearly as possible the inscriptions for Helen & Peter Stewart jr in a single closeup photo.
Thanks in advance
Marshall
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There is an entry on the New York City death index at www.italiangen.org for a Peter Stewart who died 17 Jun. 1914 at age 54 in Manhattan.
You may be able to get a copy of the death certificate for free through the Family History Center's photoduplication service. https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Photoduplication_Services
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Hi Marshall
This was your original request here www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=571618.9
Looking for inscription/photo of headstone of Peter Stewart who died 31 mar 1888 and his wife Euphemia Hamilton who died later at a seemingly unregistered date.
I have asked NorrieG via PM to have a look a this new post to try to help.
Monica :)
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Just for background to the post, the stone for Peter Stewart at the Cypress Hills National Cemetery www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=18841
Monica
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This is the family you have for Peter who died in NY?
From 1861:
Peter Stewart 38 Foreman Papermaker, Carrington, Edinburghshire
Euphemia Stewart 34 b. Lasswade, Edinburghshire
James Stewart 10
Marrion Stewart 8
Thomas Stewart 6
Ann Stewart 4
Peter Stewart 2 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQPP-3QH
Helen Stewart 3 Months https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYRV-SZ5
Marion Hamilton 59 visitor b. Peebles
David Hamilton 5 visitor b. Dundee
Address: Leslie, Fife
Monica
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The transcriptions of the Spanish-American War-era military records with two different enlistments indicate that Peter Stewart gave a birth date of 1 Feb. 1858. So, a little closer to the date you had, although not exact.
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I think this is him too in 1910 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MKL6-5DQ - his occupation showing as Gunner in the Navy Yard.
Monica
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1900 entry gives his birth detail as Feb 1859 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M31F-RK4 - Occuaption Gunnery Sergeant.
This entry gives his migration year as 1882. 1910 gave 1890. Wonder if he was in Scotland for 1881? He was there up to 1871 with family but can't see him with his parents in Leslie Fife for 1881. By 1881, Peter Snr shows as a Papermaker's Manager living at Fettykil. An insight into that here www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/fife/papermaking-returns-to-leslie-s-fettykil-mill-1.51422
Monica
PS: Marshall, likely you have all of this, but it is a great slice of life research here :) What is your connection, if any, to Peter Stewart? He was single I think from what we have up to 1910. I get the feeling it is an impassioned piece of research here which we really like to help with here ;)
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Hi MonicaL & Marshall
this is the inscription from Leslie Cemetery Fife
for Peter Stewart & Euphemia Hamilton
305 Peter Stewart who died 31.3.1888 age 65
daughter Janet died 12.3.1870 age 1
son James died 16.3.1872 age 22
Wife Euphemia Hamilton died 19.5.1903 age 82?
NorrieG
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Thank you Norrie for adding this info :) No mention of the sister/daughter Helen that Marshall referred to earlier from what you have? For that matter, you don't mention on there the death details of son Peter dying in NY in 1914 either that Marshall has mentioned.
Monica
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As further background here to the post:
1871:
Peter Stewart 48 Paper Mill Manager
Euphemia Stewart 44
Marion Stewart 18
Thomas Stewart 16
Ann Stewart 14
Peter Stewart 12
Helen Stewart 10
Euphemia Stewart 8
Richard Stewart 6
Address: Fettykil Paper Mill, Leslie, Fife
1881:
Peter Stewart 58 Paper Maker's Manager
Euph Stewart 54
Ann Stewart 24
Helen Stewart 20
Euph Stewart 18
Richard Stewart 16
James Edwards 4 grandson
Address: Fettykil, Leslie, Fife
Norrie, from the death details you posted from the MI, births to these parents here:
James 1850 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYW3-M7X
Janet 1869 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYRV-4N5
Member submitted entry here https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/3S52-8NX
Monica
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Hello to all trying to help out. Up to this point I have always received e-mail notices of new posts to forum topics to which I have posted, and for some reason this automatic response has stopped working, I suspect because of recent updates to my OS and browser. Any advice on how to restart this useful feature would be appreciated.
If I had known you were making such an effort in identifying all members of the Peter Stewart - Euphemia Hamilton family I could have told you their daughter Marion was my Great-grandmother and I have spent a great deal of time and effort researching her ancestry and descendants for at least 3 generations in both directions and have also traced her siblings and their descendants, if any, for at least one generation. What I am trying to say in as nice a way as possible is that I doubt you can unearth any nuggets of information concerning this family that I have not already found, so you may stop your efforts in this regard. I will follow with a separate update re Gunnery Sgt Peter Stewart for those interested in more detail.
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Just realized the link to a tree on FamilySearch on the post above my last takes you to my submission to that site.
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Sure you have it all ready, to have got to the degree of detail we have been discussing. Just trying to add a little here more for background, and to help people recognise the family better.
Wish you every luck in what you are trying to achieve re Peter Stewart Jnr :)
Monica
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If you don't already have the death record for Peter from New York, I think it might be worth pursuing to see if parents' names are mentioned and to verify the death date. Perhaps the family monument is off by a day rather than the gravestone.
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I received Peter's file (many pages hard copy) from the USMC last week. Since he served from 1883 to 1909 there was a lot of sorting involved.
With regard to his death the attached copy of a telegram is absolute proof that he died on the 16th rather than on the 17th. I think that because this telegram was not received in Washington until the 18th that someone there assumed the death had occurred the night before the telegram was received rather than the night before it was sent. There are several other documents referring to death on the 16th and others to the 17th in this bureaucratic mixup.
I received the following transcription from the Leslie tombstone last year, for some reason it is more detailed than yours NorrieG.
In affectionate remembrance of PETER STEWART d 31-3-1889 aged 65y
Also JANET his daughter d 12-3-1870 aged 1 y
Also JAMES his son d 18-4-1873 aged 22y
Also EUPHEMIA HAMILTON wife of the above PETER STEWART d 19-1-1909 aged 82y
Also EUPHEMIA STEWART daughter of PETER STEWART d 4-1-1910 aged 46y
Also his daughter HELEN STEWART died 5-12-1915 aged 54y
Also his son PETER STEWART died at New York 16-6-1914 aged 55y.
Marshall
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Before all you helpful people starting looking up 10 Hayes Court Camberwell London, I should tell you that starting in 1904 Peter listed Mrs E Stewart at that address as his next of kin and following her death he changed that to Miss E Stewart at the same address. The documents which I just received from the USMC show that for one year following his retirement he visited the UK and had his monthly pension sent to that address. The clincher tying him to same family buried at Fife is the attached from the England Probate Calendar.
Marshall
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I can't tell if the telegram gives a time of day that it was sent, but someone sending a telegram at 6 PM on June 17 might have considered a death occurring at 3 AM on June 17 to be "last night." Errors can be made on a telegram, so I wouldn't label them "absolute proof." I would think it would be worthwhile to order the death certificate for free if you don't have it already, but you're free to continue to ignore my suggestion.
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Before all you helpful people starting looking up 10 Hayes Court Camberwell London....
::) Don't worry, Marshall. I think we understand clearly you have everything sorted through and through.
Monica :)
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Hi Marshall went back to Leslie Cemetery today, yes I had missed the inscription
on the other side of headstone. I have taken a photo but its tells me its to large
to send will PM you for your Email and send direct
Norrie
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shellyesq;
I have a vague recollection of ordering the death cert last year, I know for a fact I had the registration number but for some reason never got the actual document. I have no doubt that said document will say that Peter Stewart died on 17 Jun 1914, and I also have no doubt that this record will never be revised no matter what evidence is presented.
I am entirely satisfied from the evidence I have already gathered that Gunnery Sergeant Peter Stewart is without any doubt the son of Peter Stewart and Euphemia Hamilton who was born on 1 Feb 1859 in New Monkland Lanarkshire Scotland (which then included the market town of Airdrie) and who died on 16 Jun 1914.
I have asked the person who provided the bio on Find a Grave to either change the dates and birth place which he uses or state that there is alternative data and provide same. I am in the process of trying to get the USMC History Division to also correct the misinformation which they have posted on their website concerning this individual or also list the alternative info. I think there is as much chance of getting the NY tombstone corrected as there is in getting the death cert fixed.
There are conflicts in the records which will never be revised, but I strongly feel that the alternative info should be provided to assist future generations of genealogists in finding the truth.
Just for laughs I am attaching a document showing that the USMC Paymaster knew precisely when to end Peter's pension payments.
Marshall
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I'm not always a stickler for perfect genealogy, but I would think a primary source like a death certificate would take precedence over telegrams and pay records. Since you didn't appear to consider my possible explanation of "last night" being June 17, so I won't make any further suggestions.
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Many thanks to NorrieG for filling the sole request made in the final sentence of the original post. My sincere apologies to all those I have offended by asking that you stop assisting me.
Marshall
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Hi too anyone that can help me i believe that Peter is related to my fathers family have worked out he is possibly my 4 th cousin but too be sure i would love to know can anyone relate too me who is his fathers Mother and Father is and if anyone knows his siblings i do have them but wish too be very certain that i have the right family thank you ever so much anything will be very much appreciated..Lorna
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I put a message on the other day i omitted too say the line i believe for my fathers family is a Richard Stewart b1815 Carrington Midlothian he is my 3rd Gr Grandfather one of his sons moved down too London and only through my 2nd Gr Grandfathers second marriage as i cannot find paternal 2nd Gr Nana we managed to find Richards name and occupation was put as farmer...Lornax
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Hi;
Sorry about the delay in replying, just found your posts by accident today. Your Richard Stewart's parents were my GGG grandparents. They were James Stewart & Anne Wilson who married on 15 Jun 1807 at St Cuthberts Edinburgh Midlothian. Anne Wilson was born 1 Dec 1787 at St Cuthberts and her parents were John Wilson & Elizabeth Eason. I have the following notes on my tree concerning James Stewart's parents:
William Stewart & Jean Robertson had son James baptised in St Cuthberts parish Midlothian Scotland on 8 November 1779. The year fits with the age given in the 1841 census and the location fits with his marriage to Ann(e) Wilson in 1807, however, there are numerous other James Stewart baptisms in Midlothian during that time period so his parentage remains unproven at best.
While the couple’s first child was born in St Cuthberts parish, the next 3 were born in Carrington parish which suggests James may have had roots there. A search of the OPR finds no James Stewart birth between 1770 and 1790.
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Hi
Thank you so much for replying its great too just be sure that i am getting it correct about the ancestry for our family line its been very difficult as the only evidence i had was my Great Great Grandad James 2nd Marriage Certificate to go by for his fathers name and i now feel very happy ...kind regards Lornax
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Hi
just replying again checked my tree again to make sure it tallies with your info i definately can say we have the same names on the tree...As you replied i was getting ready to go out so i couldnt completely check but now have done and settled my own mind that we have although on different lines the same Gr Gr Grandparents Kind Rgards Lorna