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Hi,
I was wondering if anybody can help me with the Le Goupillot and Reid family? I only know as far as my dads dad Cecil Le Goupillot, who married Ellen (maiden name bickerstaffe). My dad later had his name changed to Reid. Some of my dads brother Peter died in 2007. We lived in Todmorden for most of our lives. Any help or insight would be fantastic
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Hello, and welcome to RootsChat!
I see from your other post that the Le Goupillot family comes from the Channel Islands - do you have any dates for Cecil? (I see a marriage on FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ in 1965 - is this him?) Please remember that RootsChat does not allow the details of living people to be posted. ;)
Cecil's marriage certificate would give his age/occupation and his father's name/occupation: it can be purchased online at http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
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a family tree has these siblings ...
Cecil
Joyce
Ruth
Barbara
Elsie Millie - she married Harry Wilkins - so it looks like Cecil had 4 sisters ?
http://gw.geneanet.org/louiseparker78?lang=en&v=LE+GOUPILLOT&m=N
http://en.geneanet.org/search/?page_size=20&ressource=arbre&vplist%5Bname%5D=&name=le+goupillot&nbindi=&country=GBR®ion=CHI&subregion=&place=&annee_debut=&annee_fin=&source=&sub_frm54449a62f0296.x=19&sub_frm54449a62f0296.y=10&ajax_ok=1
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Hi Manchester,
I'm not sure if that's him. I do know that Cecil's full name is Cecil john Albert Le Goupillot (died 1987) he was a builder, driver. his dad Cecil Albert Le Goupillot.
Hi garstonite
He had 6, Joyce, Ruth, Barbra, Elsie, Doris and Joan.
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There's this birth:
Cecil Albert Le Goupillot
Birth Date:
15 Aug 1901
Birth Place:
Saint Pierre Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands
Father:
John Albert Le Goupillot
Mother: Lena Joanna Allen
Is this him?
Also a possible marriage;
Cecil A Le Goupillot (if so a 2nd. marriage)
Alice L Burkill
Oct-Nov-Dec 1952
Willesden
Middlesex
Family in 1911:
RG14; Piece: 34799; Schedule Number: 79
1891:
RG12; Piece: 4701; Folio: 47; Page: 12
Other post:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=169921.0 :P
It might be better to say exactly what it is you need to know.
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I don't think that's him, they were both Cecil's and my dads dad Cecil Albert married Ellen.
I know practically nothing past my dad. I'm just trying to find out my family tree after my dad. I know Cecil and Ellen, but that's about all I know. It's a long shot, but hopefully finding someone who I'm related to that could show me my family tree.
I know it's gonna be difficult because I don't know anything really about my family.
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It could be just me ::) but I wonder if there is a mix up of generations.
Cecil John A who died in 1988 had a birth year of 1935. He died in Burnley and Pendle registration district.
Was that the one who was married to Ellen Bickerstaffe?
There is an Alice Lilian Le G who died in Dacorum, Herts 1996 with a birth year of 1904.
Heywood
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Burnley could be right, we lived in Todmorden, and burnley is just 9 miles up road from Todmorden. Again it could just be a coincidence.
Possibly could be a mix up. I know there are a lot of Le Goupillots, which just makes it harder trying to find the ones I'm related to
My dads dad, cecil John Albert Le Goupillot married Ellen bickerstaffe,
Cecil John Alberts father was called Cecil Albert Le Goupillot.
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It's all the right area - Doris married in Wortsthorne, Burnley in 1948. Her father is Cecil Albert and a witness is Ruth Gladys Le G.
There doesn't seem to be a birth registration in England for her.
Would she be your father's sister or aunt?
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They would be my dads auntie
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There are more records with slightly different spellings- Legoupillot rather than Le Goupillot.
The marriage Manchester Rambler refers to in 1965 with the same full name that you have for Cecil, for example in Todmorden.
Is this the man who died in 1980s?
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Yes, he died in or around 1987. I'm not sure which spelling of the name is correct, it could well be legoupillot as one word, but I wouldn't like to say for definate
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Why have you discounted the Cecil Albert Le Goupillot b.1901 Channel Is. ?
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The one who died in 1987/8 was possibly married to Enid Johnson- does that ring a bell?
Do you have your grandmother's maiden name - your dad's mum?
Do you have your dad's birth certificate?
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He might of married again, but the only marriage I know of was to Ellen bickerstaffe, my dads mum. Yes I have my dads birth certificate, on there it says ellen
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Hi Jim, sorry I didn't see that message.
John Albert le Goupillot was definately a Cecil. I don't recall Alice or Lena
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The only marriage I can see at the moment re an Ellen Bickerstaffe is to Philip Reid in 1952, Littleborough.
Free BMD shows 4 children to this marriage. I can't name them as they may still be living.
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The dates about right, littleborough is relevant, the names are correct,but Peter Reid was my uncle. He was Ellen's son, my dads brother.
But a Phillip. That doesn't ring any bells. I shall leave the Peter Reid in though as that may, or may not help.
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I made a mistake with Peter, it should have been Philip which I corrected. There is a son Peter who may be the one you say died.
I wonder if Ellen Bickerstaffe Reid lived with Mr Le Goupillot? I can't see a marriage.
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Thinking about it, Ellen already had Peter when she got with Cecil. That's the reason Cecil walked out, as Ellen already had a son and he didn't know till he turned up on door step one day. So Phillip could well be right. Could you pm me the names of the 4 children please, I know some of my dads siblings do have different fathers
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Back to the other question are you saying that this Cecil Albert Le Goupillot b.1901 definitely isn't the father of Cecil John Albert.
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No, I'm not saying it definately isn't, do you know who Cecil's children were?
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I have sent you the names - you can see then on Free BMD
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Yes that is correct. I have to go, but I will certainly log back in when I get back.
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Just to recap your grandfather is Cecil John Albert Le Goupillot 1935-88 who married Ellen Bickerstaff.
His father is Cecil Albert Le Goupillot & this is all you know.
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Yes, that is pretty much all I know.
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As Cecil John changed his name to Reid & as we can't find a birth for him under his father's name might indicate that his parents never married & he either wasn't registered or registered under his mother's name & assumed the name Goupillot.
It's not quite clear yet why he changed his name to Reid possibly it's his mother's maiden name or his mother married a Reid.
With regard to Cecil Albert Le Goupillot there only seems to be one anywhere on the planet b.1901 married 1952 as shown on the previous pages
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Jim,
I think that your post there is based on wrong info but am not sure myself whether I quite understand.
I think the one you found born 1901 was married and had those girls, mentioned earlier, in Guernsey and the younger Cecil.
Older Cecil then marries Alice Burkill nee Petrie in England.
Younger Cecil marries Enid Johnson.
Meanwhile Ellen Bickerstaffe marries Philip Reid and has children.
Ellen and Cecil have a child who would be perhaps registered as Reid because of his mother's married name.
MF - it looks as though you would need to get info from Guernsey re marriage and birth of younger Cecil.
We can give birth of older Cecil and his parents, I think.
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Thank you for all your help, it's just as confusing for me. I will dig deeper and try to find out exactly who he is. When I have done that I will post it on here and see if anybody can help further. You have both been very helpful though, but I think Heywood has made the most connections with my family.
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Best wishes with the research. I am not at all sure that the scenario I outlined is right but the chap Jim found sounds right by name.
Please come back if you need any other help.
Heywood