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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: wavrow on Sunday 19 October 14 05:01 BST (UK)
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Would anyone be able to help in finding any information on John Munro who married Mary Cameron (widow) at Kilmonivaig 21 July 1848 please. He was a journeyman blacksmith at Blarour farm but the family migrated to Melbourne in 1853. On John's death certificate it states he was born at Rosshire and his father was also called John and a farmer, mother's name was unknown. I would really appreciate any info on his family from Rosshire please. Kaye
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Freecen: This is the family in 1851.
Piece: SCT1851/99 Place: Kilmonivaig -Inverness-shire Enumeration District: 5
Civil Parish: Kilmonivaig Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 74 Page: 2 Schedule: 4
Address: Blarour Farm
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MUNRO John Head M M 33 Blacksmith, Farrier Ross and Cromarty - Alness
MUNRO Mary Wife M F 39 Blacksmith's Wife Inverness-shire - Kenochbeoraig
CAMERON Ewen Stpson - M 16 Blacksmith's Stepson, Scholar Inverness-shire - Kilmonivaig
CAMERON Donald Stpson - M 13 Scholar Inverness-shire - Kilmonivaig
CAMERON John Stpson - M 9 Scholar Inverness-shire - Kilmonivaig
MUNRO John Son - M 2 Inverness-shire - Kilmonivaig
MUNRO David Ross Son - M 7m Inverness-shire - Kilmonivaig
MCKILLOP Cathn Servnt U F 18 General Servant Inverness-shire - Kilmonivaig
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Can't find him in the 1841 but there are two Munro farmers in Alness in neighbouring farms - brothers? Cousins? The John Munro doesn't have a son John at home but, at the age of 23 and a blacksmith, he is probably living elsewhere.
Piece: SCT1841/57 Place: Alness -Ross and Cromarty Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Alness Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 0 Page: 3
Address: -
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MUNRO John M 45 Farmer Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO Anne F 25 Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO Margrat F 30 Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO Anne F 15 Female Servant Ross and Cromarty
DOULIE Robert M 15 Male Servant Ross and Cromarty
Piece: SCT1841/57 Place: Alness -Ross and Cromarty Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Alness Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 0 Page: 3
Address: -
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MUNRO Robert M 35 Farmer Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO Margrat F 30 Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO Anne F 60 Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO Hugh M 30 Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO John M 25 Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO Anne F 11 Female Servant Ross and Cromarty
Note the Anne aged 60. Bet that's the mother of John and Robert - certainly worth checking.
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Only John on record as a son of a John being born in Alness 1815-1820.
26/10/1820 MUNRO JOHN JOHN MUNRO/MARTHA ROSS M ALNESS /ROSS AND CROMARTY 057/00 0020 0006
Remember, there could be others born but not recorded.
In 1841 he could be the Blacksmith at Balfour.
Don
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Looking at the ages on that 1841 for John at Alness, I wondered if the Anne aged 25 could be a second wife or even a daughter?
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There is this other farmer John Munro at Alness on the 1841:
Piece: SCT1841/57 Place: Alness -Ross and Cromarty Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Alness Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 0 Page: 2
Address: Glenglass
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MUNRO John M 50 Farmer Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO Christy F 50 Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO William M M 30 Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO Cathrine F 20 Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO Robert M 18 Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO Rodrick M 16 Ross and Cromarty
Page: 0/3 MUNRO William M 5 Male Servant Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO Peggy F 7 Female Servant Ross and Cromarty
No Martha married to a farmer John but I did find this one married to a blacksmith:
Piece: SCT1841/57 Place: Alness -Ross and Cromarty Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Alness Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 0 Page: 2
Address: Alness
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MUNRO John M 55 Blacksmith Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO Martha F 45 Ross and Cromarty
Page: 0/3 MUNRO Hellen F 20 Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO Charles M 15 Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO Hugh M 10 Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO Flora F 8 Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO Donald M 5 Ross and Cromarty
MUNRO George M 4 Ross and Cromarty
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One thing that might also help now further is the name of any daughters born after the 1851 census that J11 has posted earlier.
Mary is showing as maiden surname Cameron, likely the same as her first husband (often common in these and other parts of Scotland at this time). This is on the births of the first two sons with John Munro up to the 1851 census posted by J11 (these two sons' births also shown on https://familysearch.org/#start... and therefore on the Old Parish Registers here www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/).
You have the family heading off to Melbourne in 1853. Any daughters' names born that might help now further to connect, if the new family of John and Mary used any form of Scottish naming pattern? See here for example www.halmyre.abel.co.uk/Family/naming.htm
Monica
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Yes she was a Cameron, married to Donald Cameron. Searching (sp) for Cameron births Kilmonivaig mother Mary no surname Ewan, Donald, John and an Ann pop-up although the year of births are a bit off with what was reported in 1851. Odd thing is their Bann. It is well written and states Donald is occasionally at Batrick and Mary from Morven presently at Crief.
Also, residing next to them in the 1851 (original) is Ewan Cameron who I suspect is her brother-in-law and even mother-in-law from Mary’s first marriage.
01/08/1850 MUNRO DAVID ROSS JOHN MUNRO/MARY CAMERON FR232 (FR232) M KILMONIVAIG /INVERNESS 099/00 0020 0151
25/07/1848 MUNRO JOHN JOHN MUNRO/MARY CAMERON M KILMONIVAIG /INVERNESS 099/00 0020 0133
No other children through to 1855.
Don
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Could be that he was a journeyman blacksmith, mason, etc. at the time.
Wiki:
A journeyman is an individual who has completed an apprenticeship and is fully educated in a trade or craft, but not yet a master. To become a master, a journeyman has to submit a master work piece to a guild for evaluation and be admitted to the guild as a master. Sometimes, a journeyman is required to accomplish a three-year working trip, which may be called the journeyman years.
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Thank you to all of you who gave me much to think about. Unfortunately John and Mary had no further children after David so can't follow girl's names as suggested. Yes Mary was married to a Donald Cameron and Mary had also been a Cameron. Her father was Alexander and an :) inn keeper.
She had 5 sons with the last one being John Cameron. Her first son to John Munro was also called John so she had 2 Johns and when living in Melbourne both John's were known as Munro. On Mary's death certificate only the 2 sons to John Munro were mentioned. There was obviously a rift between her Cameron sons and herself. Kaye