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Hi
Can anyone help please, I am trying to locate the birth detail of Isabella Rougier / Rogier ? born circa 1830-31 in Dublin or Co Dublin Ireland. She moved to Belfast and was married to Edward McKeating in 1847, died 1904,
Regards
Joseph Lavery
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I am so sorry but I forgot to mention the above Isabella Rougier was from a French Huguenot family who had fled to Ireland from France, family folklore ( i.e. my grandmother) who had met her when a little girl said her grandfather was a Huguenot Minister.
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On first look only possible I see is 1820
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/e03de80167506
This was is RC do you know what denomination she was?
There is also this for 1825 http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/c4b62c0239712
Do you know her father's name from the marriage?
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Is she tied into this family?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=564094.0
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If, and this may only be an assumption at some point over the years, the family were Hugenots then Catholic records are unlikely. There are some Church of Ireland records for Dublin city on the Irish genealogy site but probably not other Protestant churches or areas outside the city. As well as that, many churches may not have records as far back as the 1820s.
The marriage record for Edward and Isabella might help- do you have the certificate? and are you sure McKeating is the correct surname? see next post
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This looks like your Isabella McKeating in 1901 census- ages in census can be incorrect and should only be used as a guide- and she is listed as Catholic:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__Anne_s/Great_Patrick_Street/933595
Son Dominick McKeating, etc. in 1911:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__Anne_s_Ward/Patrick_Street__Great/133797
Edward McKeating died 1881: "Letters of Administration of the personal estate of Edward M'Keating late of Belfast Saddler deceased who died 25 February 1881 at same place were granted at Belfast to Isabella M'Keating of Belfast the Widow."
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javascript:oQuickReply.swap(); thank you, I have all the info on the family of McKeating / Rougier marriage in Belfast since 1847, there is no certificate available ,only the marriage confirmation listed in St Patricks Church records, it does not list any other info i.e. parents details etc, I am only going on the 1901 census records where Isabella states she was born in Co Dublin,
Joseph
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If this is her death she is getting younger by the year 😣
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTFJ-RPL
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Thank you Sinann
Despite the description I am very confident Isabella was born circa 1830--31
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Is she tied into this family?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=564094.0
Hi, you responded to others but haven't responded to my query, can you clarify?
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Gaffy
My sincere apologies, as a new user I am still a little confused as to how to reply to posts. I am very interested in the info you sent regarding the Rougier Dublin /Scottish connection for the following reason. After her marriage in 1847 Isabella gave birth to a daughter called Mary, this Mary married a man called Henry Magill / McGill, although this family had 9 children living in Belfast , Mary gave birth to three of their daughters in Glasgow, Rose 1882, Helen ( my grandmother ) 1885 and Martha 1888, I was wondering had her mother Isabella arranged this through her own relatives ? Isabella also had a son called Frederick ? again can I apologise for earlier non response.
Regards
Joseph
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No worries, I just wanted to make sure you saw it, when you receive a string of posts it's easy to miss one...
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Hello Joseph,
I did not see your posting until now. I believe we are related and that Isabella is a sister of my great great grandmother. I've also traced Magill and McKeating while I was trying to figure this out, in a sense forwads. You may already have everything by now, I'll be happy to share what I know. The Rougier family did live in the Dublin area. Some migrated to Belfast then Glasgow area and Maithieson Street.
Best regards,
Fiona
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Hello again Joseph,
I've checked a few things again this morning. Henry Magill/McGill and Mary McKeating had several children in Hutchesontown in Glasgow. The first one I've found was Henry Magill born in March 1876, then Isabella Magill in 1878. During this time they were living at 79 Mathieson Street. The wedding date for Henry and Mary was also given correctly, as is location (Belfast), so I am certain it is them. The next child in this location that I found was Rose McGill, born in February 1882. Then, Helen McGill born on Feb 7th 1885, and lastly Martha McGill born on July 7th 1887. For all children, parents and date of marriage are correct and at the time Rose, Helen and Martha were born they were living at 121 Mathieson Street.
My great great great grandmother Belinda Rougier (married name Davie/Davey) lived on Mathieson Street too. Her original name was Bridget, she was born in Dublin and married James Davey there in Haddington Road Church, with her mother Honor Rougier as a witness. Their first son died shortly after birth. He was James Davie/Davey and he was baptised in Haddington Road Church as a Catholic. One of the witnesses was Martha 'Rougere'. Next, Bridget/Belinda and James moved to Belfast. Their second child, Frances Louisa, was born in Belfast and baptised their (Catholic). One of the witnesses was Isabella 'Rouser' and Bridget/Belinda was noted as 'Bridget Rouser'. It is definitely our Bridget/Belinda, and we can trace Frances Louisa later in Scotland. Isabella(m) 'Rugier' was baptised in 1821 in Dublin in St. Andrew's, parents Frederick and Honor (Fredericii and Honora), the same parents as Bridget/Belinda. In all, given the birthplaces, parents and especially the connection with Mathieson Street, I'm pretty sure that your Isabella and my ancestor's sister are one and the same family. Family folklore from my grandmother was that the family was French, and spoke French. I only found out about the Irish connection when I started researching our family tree. Bridget appeared in the second Scottish census she was in as 'Belinda'.
There are some other threads on this topic, some I see you already know about. In another, one person whose ancestor was Rose Magill told me her family folklore was that the Rougier family came from Rouens - I have no idea on this as yet.
A long message - hopefully interesting.
Regards,
Fiona