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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: garthj on Thursday 16 October 14 23:30 BST (UK)
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James Harward De Rinzy, originally of Wexford, married Elizabeth Turbett in St MacCartan's Cathedral, Clogher, County Tyrone in 1867. The couple went to India where they had two sons.
I would be most grateful for any information about these people and their families.
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Have you sent for their marriage cert?
I'm guessing you have this.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FY9C-JZD
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FY9N-G3V
If not you can order it from the GRO in Roscommon.
https://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx
Don't worry about parts of the form you can't fill in, just be sure to give the Name, Quarter, District, Vol and Page Number.
Get a Research Cert
And include your Email to receive it that way.
It costs €4.
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Many thanks for your useful tips, which I will follow up.
I do not have the marriage certificate. My father, who was interested in Turbotts, visited St MacCarten's many years ago, was shown the church records and made notes, but without recording the details. The name in the church register was spelled Turbett.
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"July 30 1867
July 24, at Clogher Cathedral, by the Rev. Dean Moore, JAMES HARWOOD DERINZY, ESQ., of Llibimin? Hall, to ELIZABETH, daughter of JOHN TURBITT, ESQ., Massachusetts, and granddaughter of COLONEL HUGH GORE EDWARDS, late 27th Regiment, of Raveagh, county Tyrone"
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/clogher.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/donacavey2.html
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James Harward De Rinzy died in Fulham Infirmary in October 1903. There are reports of the inquest in several newspapers on 14 October 1903.
He had been a civil engineer in India and more recently a professor of languages living at 2 Ormiston Road, Shepherd's Bush. He died of heart disease accelerated by excessive use of alcohol, morphine, cocaine and other drugs. He'd been admitted to hospital suffering from cannabis poisoning.
See http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/68727291?searchTerm=harward%20de%20rinzy&searchLimits=sortby=dateDesc
There are also many mentions of him in Australian newspapers in the 1880's. He was the Indian government's agent in Australia (just search for the surname on Trove).
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In the book 'Houses of Wexford' there are different spellings;
De Renzi
De Renzy
De Rienzi
De Rinzy
names mentioned are
Barbara
Isabella
Lauren
Matthew
Matthew Scandubeg
Tom
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Jack
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Ferns Cathedral Church of St Edan COI Graveyard Wexford;
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Mathew Thomas De Rinzy; Clobeman Hall
eldest son of Thomas Richards
10/12/1851 (41)
James St George De Rinzy; Clobeman Hall
6/8/1833 (23)
also his brother-Thomas Richard De Rinzy; late Captain 83rd regiment
8/8/1849 (34)
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Jack
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Helpful, thank you.
I am getting on the track.
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The Derenzy or De Renzy family of Clobemon, Co. Wexford are a famous "landed gentry" family. As such they are extensively documented back to the 1500s.
- e.g in the DNB http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Renzy,_Matthew_de_(DNB00)
- They are listed in the books on the landed gentry of Ireland, e.g.
https://books.google.com/books?id=BSkAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA363&lpg=PA363&dq=de+Renzy+landed+gentry+of+ireland&source=bl&ots=Cz620GZcXs&sig=kmEiGN5rTlICgjjd8yT5ci0yuaM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=8ZsDVZOjDYGwggTDtoGgCA&ved=0CBoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=de%20Renzy%20landed%20gentry%20of%20ireland&f=false
- There are also files on the family at the Genealogical Office in Dublin, available on microfilm at LDS Family History centers.
Hope this helps
Wexflyer
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Many thanks _ I will follow your suggestions.
No clues as to the early history of the Turbett/Turbitt/Turbott family I suppose?
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Many thanks _ I will follow your suggestions.
No clues as to the early history of the Turbett/Turbitt/Turbott family I suppose?
I am afraid that if they are not from Wexford then they are quite foreign to me! Sorry.
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Many thanks _ I will follow your suggestions.
No clues as to the early history of the Turbett/Turbitt/Turbott family I suppose?
I just want to note that the James Harward De Rinzy of your original query is specifically listed in the family pedigree provided in the edition of Burke's Landed Gentry that I linked to.
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With regard to De Rinzy. My great grandmother was Ann Darenzy (spelt variously) and she certainly was not landed gentry as far as I can tell. She was married to a Holohan in Dublin and ended up living in Carlow and that's about all we know. Perhaps, as with many landed gentry families, she is from the family branch that came upon bad times and ended up hanging lower on the tree? ::)
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Thank you for your reply.
Since I posted my questions I have found out a little bit more about the De Rinzys. James Harward De Rinzy, civil engineer, married Elizabeth Turbitt in the Clogher Cathedral, County Tyrone, 24 July 1867. It seems possible that the marriage was not welcomed by his family. At the time, he had been living at Ballinroan House, County Wicklow. His father was Matthew Thomas De Rinzy of Clobemon Hall, County Wicklow and his mother Jane Richards Jessop.
The married couple left shortly after for India. They had a son Harwood Jessop Edwards De Rinzy, born in Allahabad, Bengal. I am not sure how long they lived in India but they returned to England at some time. James died in London in 1903 and Elizabeth in Dorset in 1906.
This is all I know. I hope it may be of some use to you in sorting out your family tree.
Kind regards,
John Turbott
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Thanks John Turbott. Do you mind me asking if you have done your DNA? I think my hunt for 'my' Darenzys has come down to the DNA wire now. :-[
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I have tested with both Ancestry and FamilyTree. I am happy to exchange information but I think we are supposed to correspond directly, not in a public forum.
I will figure out how this is done.
Regards,
John Turbott
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http://search.freefind.com/find.html?si=13812782&pid=r&n=0&_charset_=UTF-8&bcd=%C3%B7&query=de_rinzy
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Many thanks
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Thank you for your reply.
Since I posted my questions I have found out a little bit more about the De Rinzys. James Harward De Rinzy, civil engineer, married Elizabeth Turbitt in the Clogher Cathedral, County Tyrone, 24 July 1867. It seems possible that the marriage was not welcomed by his family. At the time, he had been living at Ballinroan House, County Wicklow. His father was Matthew Thomas De Rinzy of Clobemon Hall, County Wicklow and his mother Jane Richards Jessop.
The married couple left shortly after for India. They had a son Harwood Jessop Edwards De Rinzy, born in Allahabad, Bengal. I am not sure how long they lived in India but they returned to England at some time. James died in London in 1903 and Elizabeth in Dorset in 1906.
This is all I know. I hope it may be of some use to you in sorting out your family tree.
Kind regards,
John Turbott
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Mary Anne Turbitt marriage 1866
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG8N-QFH
children
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01l00/
1901 born America
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ormeau/Jocelyn_Avenue/1210788/
died 1905
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05573/4565209.pdf
buried Belfast Cemetery
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=J1&GraveNumber=12&CemeteryName=City%20Cemetery