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Title: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: TerryD on Monday 13 October 14 12:55 BST (UK)
Hi all,

This is a weird request because I seem to have so much info on this family but can't find most of them in 1911 census.
Info -Peter Richard and Sarah Harris who I have found in 1911 census had eleven children all born colchester. To date I have found none in 1911. Here are some of them with info I have:-
Herbert Charles born 1892 married 28/2/1917 in Toronto Canada.
Alfred Walter born 29/8/1888 married Ethel Cockrell at St Leonards church, Colchester 15/1/1912
Albert Edward  born 27/4/1887 married Ethel T Faiers 13/4/1911

With that info they should be easy to find but I am having a nightmare ???

Any help would be greatly appreciated

Terry
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 13 October 14 13:04 BST (UK)
If we can find them, we aren't allowed to give you any information as the 1911 census is covered by copyright laws! :(

Sorry!
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: Christine53 on Monday 13 October 14 13:27 BST (UK)
Isabella Minnie married Frederick Walter Firmin/Formin  1907. You should be able to find them in 1911 and you may find someone else.
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: Christine53 on Monday 13 October 14 13:32 BST (UK)
Alice S T  Harris m 1902 Colchester Horsfield or Pressnell so worth searching with either of these names if you haven't already done so.
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 13 October 14 13:48 BST (UK)
Will post this information in case you do not have it and to correct info an ancestry tree that says Herbert Charles Harris died in Colchester in 1959  ???

Death certificate for Herbert Charles Harris - 26/4/1987 Vancouver British Columbia.
Informant is a daughter - same daughter mentioned on the death cert for Ethel Harris in 1983.

http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Genealogy/DisplayGenealogyImage?k=b8a91ef3-fa3b-41d5-9dab-a5b6a4bc65f0

http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Genealogy/DisplayGenealogyImage?k=a2b766b8-a073-48d6-9c8f-f418163118da

Sandra
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: Christine53 on Monday 13 October 14 13:53 BST (UK)
Do you have Herbert's date of arrival in Canada ? There is a possible in 1911 , before the date of the 1911 census , which you may already have ruled out.
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: Christine53 on Monday 13 October 14 14:08 BST (UK)
I think you meant Emma Faiers , not Ethel. They married in Canada too. According to the 1921 Canada census Alfred arrived in Canada in 1909. They are in Windsor , Ontario in 1921.
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 13 October 14 16:19 BST (UK)
Albert and Emma 1053 Hall Windsor Essex Ontario - 1921

Albert E Harris  34 Born 1887. Immigrated 1909.
Emma Harris  35 Born 1886. Immigrated 1911.
Ernest W Harris  9 Born Ontario (Middle name on birth record - 10 Jan 1912 is Watson)
Vera Harris  7 Born Quebec 1914.
William Berry  38 Roomer.
Frederick Berry  11 Roomer.

Sandra


Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 13 October 14 16:22 BST (UK)
The son of Albert and Emma - Ernest Watson Harris born 10 January 1912 - died April 1993
Last Residence: 953 (U.S. Consulate), Canada - SSN issued: Michigan (1965)

Burial Victoria Memorial Gardens -  Oldcastle, Essex County, Ontario, Canada.

http://geneofun.on.ca/cems/ON/ONESS14950/H?PHPSESSID=356a15487fee26a7d77777ea8493acdb

Sandra 
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 13 October 14 17:25 BST (UK)
William Frederick Harris born 1873 married Julia Matilda Abbott - Colchester 1894 - 4a 909
Julia Matilda Harris died Q1 - March 1909 - 4a 470
William was a Engineer Pattern Maker. Couple had 8 children by 1909. William and children do appear in 1911
William F Harris - born 1873 died Dec 1965 Colchester - 4a 651

Sandra
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 13 October 14 17:33 BST (UK)
Henry Peter Harris born 1872 and married to Kate Howe - September 1894 Colchester - appears in Ipswich in 1901 (that should give you a clue where to find him in 1911)

Henry P Harris  29 Kate Harris  28
Dorothy Harris  5 Elsie Harris  3 Reginald Harris  2

Sandra
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 13 October 14 17:40 BST (UK)
Alice Sarah Harris seems to marry Hiram George Horsfield in 1902 (having discounted the other pair listed on free bmd) but so far no other sign of the couple.  ???

Sandra
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 13 October 14 17:44 BST (UK)
Arthur Richard Harris birth redg April 1877 married Louisa Holloway - Croydon 1904 - 2a 605.
Couple appear with 2 children in 1911 - so should be easy to find.

The probate shows Arthur Richard Harris of 161 Shirley Avenue Shirley Croydon died 17 January 1949 - probate London 15 September to Harriet Louise Harris (widow)  Effects  £5880 1s  4d.

Sandra
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 13 October 14 17:55 BST (UK)
Sadly Ethel Emma Harris died Q4 - Oct/Nov/Dec 1905 - Colchester - Aged 20 years - 4 a  391

Sandra
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: Christine53 on Monday 13 October 14 18:09 BST (UK)
Hiram George Horsfield served with the Cameron Highlanders as a Colour Sgt and was discharged in Perth in 1913. A search of ScotlandsPeople  brings up 1 result in 1911 for Hiram Horsfield and another for Alice Horsfield  in the free search. I don't have any credits as I have no Scottish connections so you will need to purchase some if you want to check it out.

Have now read the Service Record which confirms Alice S Harris father Peter Richard as a witness to their marriage.
4 children listed : Charles William 1904 Fort George, Ellen Constance 1905 Arbour Hill , Henry Albert 1907 Inverness , Ella May 1907 Auldearn
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: TerryD on Monday 13 October 14 18:42 BST (UK)
Hi all,

Many thanks for all the information provided it has been a great help.

I will now need to peruse it and check and update my records and hopefully relay good news.

Many thanks again for all your help.

Terry
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: TerryD on Monday 13 October 14 18:44 BST (UK)
Isabella Minnie married Frederick Walter Firmin/Formin  1907. You should be able to find them in 1911 and you may find someone else.

Thanks CB53 found her late this afternoon and also found Winifred May as well. Many thanks
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 13 October 14 18:56 BST (UK)
You're very welcome. Pleased to have helped.

Sorry I missed Winifred off - she married Frederick William Bright - bath 1909 and appeared in 1911 with him and a son. Winifred died March 1975 - Frederick had predeceased her 19 Feb 1965 St Martins Hospital. Bath.  Probate 24 May 1965. Effects £724.  There is an ancestry tree with the couple on.

Sandra
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: TerryD on Monday 13 October 14 18:58 BST (UK)
If we can find them, we aren't allowed to give you any information as the 1911 census is covered by copyright laws! :(

Sorry!
Bit worried about this.

Have researched my family history and in process of writing a book for my family members and anybody else interested.

Are you saying no information gleaned from the 1911 census which I have paid money to access  can be used in the book ?

terry
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: TerryD on Monday 13 October 14 19:03 BST (UK)
You're very welcome. Pleased to have helped.

Sorry I missed Winifred off - she married Frederick William Bright - bath 1909 and appeared in 1911 with him and a son. Winifred died March 1975 - Frederick had predeceased her 19 Feb 1965 St Martins Hospital. Bath.  Probate 24 May 1965. Effects £724.  There is an ancestry tree with the couple on.

Sandra
sorry not my Winifred , mine is with her sister Isabella in Manchester in 1911 which I found thanks to CB53.
thanks for all your other help which I will investigate later. Been on this computer and family since 11.30 this morning and a bit tired now.

terry
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: TerryD on Monday 13 October 14 19:18 BST (UK)
Henry Peter Harris born 1872 and married to Kate Howe - September 1894 Colchester - appears in Ipswich in 1901 (that should give you a clue where to find him in 1911)

Henry P Harris  29 Kate Harris  28
Dorothy Harris  5 Elsie Harris  3 Reginald Harris  2

Sandra

thanks Sandra

Dorothy is my grandma so knew about this side. should have included in my earlier post. Sorry  :-[

Terry
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 13 October 14 19:19 BST (UK)
At least I got something right then  ::)  Always best to post all the info you have to save duplication.

Sandra
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: TerryD on Monday 13 October 14 19:21 BST (UK)
really sorry Sandra

will send updates on what you have all helped me to find tomorrow.

Terry
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: TerryD on Monday 13 October 14 19:51 BST (UK)
Hi all,

thought I had better update you all on where I am up to on eleven children.

Henry Peter Harris -Got all info
William Frederick-Will investigate further thanks to info so far received
Alice sarah -Will investigate further thanks to info so far received
Arthur Richard -Will investigate further thanks to info so far received
Isabella Minnie -Got all info thanks to your help CB53
Alfred Thomas -Got all info, found him buried aged 4 in St Leonards Colchester.
Ethel Emma -Got all info thnks to Sandra
Albert Edward - Will investigate further thanks to info received
Alfred Walter -Still no info re 1911 Have him married on 15/1/1912 at St Leonards then went to Canada had a son Harold Harris . Have him dying in 1913 in Toronto. Wife Ethel and son returned to Britain. if he married in this country where was he in 1911. ???
Winifred May - Will investigate further thanks to info so far received
Herbert Charles -Will investigate further thanks to info so far received


Many thanks Terry
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 13 October 14 19:56 BST (UK)
Canadian Passenger List Liverpool to Halifax Nova Scotia arriving 28 January 1912 on the Canada - Alfred W Harris aged 24 years. Pattern maker and Ethel Harris aged 22 years. Alfred states he had been in Montreal for 2 1/2 years from 1909. Ethel had not been in Canada previously. They were marked as returning Canadians going to Toronto.

Sandra
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 13 October 14 20:01 BST (UK)
Canadian Passenger List - Liverpool to Halifax Nova Scotia - Arriving 28 March 1910 on the Victorian - Alfred W Harris - Aged 21 years - Occupation :- pattern maker - intended Occupation in Canada Engineer - Going to Montreal Quebec.

Sandra

Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 13 October 14 21:53 BST (UK)
Albert Edward Harris and Ethel Faiers Harris had 2 daughters and a son - Beatrice Winnifred Harris.
Beatrice Asmar died 24 March 2014 in Windsor Ontario.

Obituary :- (with photograph)
 
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/windsorstar/obituary.aspx?n=beatrice-asmar&pid=170437832&fhid=6760

Husband George Joseph Asmar born 1921 died 2001 Leamington Ontario.

Sandra
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 13 October 14 22:16 BST (UK)
Believe this to be the son of Vera Constance Harris and Robert Simpson.

Wilfred Ernest Simpson born 1938 died 1987

http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Genealogy/DisplayGenealogyImage?k=7d626968-25d7-4ade-95da-341ec41f0141

Sandra
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 13 October 14 22:17 BST (UK)
FIND A GRAVE

Wilfred Ernest Simpson

Burial :- Courtenay Civic Cemetery  Courtenay Comox Valley Regional District British Columbia.
Plot: Sec K

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=95106691

Sandra
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 13 October 14 22:23 BST (UK)
Vera Constance Simpson - 6 September 1913 and died 25 April 1985 - Comox, British Columbia, Canada  aged 71 years - widow - informant was her son Wilfred.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11578-23067-84?cc=1538285

Sandra
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: TerryD on Monday 13 October 14 22:26 BST (UK)
Canadian Passenger List Liverpool to Halifax Nova Scotia arriving 28 January 1912 on the Canada - Alfred W Harris aged 24 years. Pattern maker and Ethel Harris aged 22 years. Alfred states he had been in Montreal for 2 1/2 years from 1909. Ethel had not been in Canada previously. They were marked as returning Canadians going to Toronto.

Sandra
You marvel Sandra  :) ;) He went back to marry his sweetheart on 15/1/12 and then returned with her to Canada.

Most of your other info looks superb too.

Many many thanks

I'll update you when I have done some more work

Terry
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: TerryD on Monday 13 October 14 22:34 BST (UK)
Alice S T  Harris m 1902 Colchester Horsfield or Pressnell so worth searching with either of these names if you haven't already done so.

thanks CB53 and Sandra as well. confirm my alice Harris is the one who married Mr Horsefield.

 ;D

terry
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: TerryD on Monday 13 October 14 23:08 BST (UK)
Hiram George Horsfield served with the Cameron Highlanders as a Colour Sgt and was discharged in Perth in 1913. A search of ScotlandsPeople  brings up 1 result in 1911 for Hiram Horsfield and another for Alice Horsfield  in the free search. I don't have any credits as I have no Scottish connections so you will need to purchase some if you want to check it out.

Have now read the Service Record which confirms Alice S Harris father Peter Richard as a witness to their marriage.
4 children listed : Charles William 1904 Fort George, Ellen Constance 1905 Arbour Hill , Henry Albert 1907 Inverness , Ella May 1907 Auldearn

Thanks CB53
Am I being thick, where are the Service Records ?

Terry
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: Christine53 on Tuesday 14 October 14 07:37 BST (UK)
No , of course not = I should have said ! Pre WW1 service records are on FindMyPast. Sorry for the confusion.

Christine
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: TerryD on Tuesday 14 October 14 12:57 BST (UK)
Sandra and Christine,

Many thanks for all your help on this 99% of your help was spot on and confirmed info that I had through "family legends".  ;)

I have filled in a lot of blanks and have numerous leads to follow. :)

Any other info that you happen upon please let me know.

Now off to work on the many leads. ::)

Terry
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: TerryD on Wednesday 15 October 14 17:42 BST (UK)
Arthur Richard Harris birth redg April 1877 married Louisa Holloway - Croydon 1904 - 2a 605.
Couple appear with 2 children in 1911 - so should be easy to find.

The probate shows Arthur Richard Harris of 161 Shirley Avenue Shirley Croydon died 17 January 1949 - probate London 15 September to Harriet Louise Harris (widow)  Effects  £5880 1s  4d.

Sandra

Sandra

You wouldn't believe how wrong the marriage was and how right the rest of your info was.
It led me on a terrific journey

Thank you

terry
Title: Re: 1911 census -Harris Family
Post by: Tenne on Thursday 16 April 15 21:49 BST (UK)
hello,
New here, I'm not sure how much more information you would like but Vera Constance Simpson was my grandmother and I can give you information on her 4 children and grandchildren if you are interested?