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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: ctrunfree on Saturday 11 October 14 08:34 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone
Wonder if someone can find a first marriage for William FORDE, b 1782 in Derrygooney. He married Sarah McEVEIGH in 1853 at Corlea but was apparently married previously. He died in 1868, again at Derrygooney.
He and his first wife had a number of children. George (1825), Samuel, Sarah, and William (all seemingly around 1830) and Margaret (1835).
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I'd start with the records for Ireland on familysearch, if you found them it should show their religion which would cut down on looking for kin in g/yards etc. If Presbyterian then look in Presbyterian g/yards etc, there are g/yards photographed on IGP. where you can search by name or townland etc. I'd try Ford too.
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/index.htm
and then you've Records, Headstones etc to choose from.
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I'd start with the records for Ireland on familysearch, if you found them it should show their religion which would cut down on looking for kin in g/yards etc. If Presbyterian then look in Presbyterian g/yards etc, there are g/yards photographed on IGP. where you can search by name or townland etc. I'd try Ford too.
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/index.htm
and then you've Records, Headstones etc to choose from.
I don't think FamilySearch records will show what religion they were :-\
Marriage of William Forde & Sarah McVeigh-
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGF9-Y91
It's often the Church of Ireland that only kept a burial register, so if no headstone/surviving headstone then there may not be a record of burial. Since the COI was the Established Church then people of other denominations could also be buried there.
Since marriages usually take place at the bride's church, William Forde's first marriage could have taken place elsewhere.
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Thanks for those tips. They were Presbyterian, and this looks likely..unfortunately there's not much info on the stone itself..
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/photos/tombstones/monaghan-ballybay-1st-Presby/target5.html
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Can I also ask if anyone can make sense of what this document means-it comes up on Familysearch for William FORDE but it appears to be an (unsuccessful?) request for a Census extract..
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-33808-13604-54?cc=2346275
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Hi,
The old age pension was introduced in 1908 and applicants had to prove that they were 70 years old. They tended to rely on the 1841 and 1851 census for this. Your document seems to be an application for the census information for Mrs Mary McBride possibly to support a pension application.
Regards
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Mrs McBride applied for the Pension and saying she was nee Mary Ford dau of John and Mary Ford
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Thanks. What about the "Fras" (?) written above the "Wm" on the left hand side?
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It could be that 'Fras' (Francis or Frances?) & Wm (William) are older siblings of Mary.
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Thanks, but I now think she's not one of ours.
My partner visited her grandfather's farm Drumcannon, Cortubber, Castleblayney, in 1980. There was a church and graveyard, as well as a schoolhouse just near the property. Her father had earlier taken some photos of some family headstones in the graveyard. However, she can't remember the name of the church, and I can't find it on Googlemaps. Any suggestions?
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Found, it is Corlea Presbyterian Cemetery.
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It's actually the burying-ground attached to Corlea Presbyterian Church.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/16132340@N07/7401486934/
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Thanks! :)
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Just got back onto this..so is there anywhere that would be likely to have Presbyterian marriages in the Aghnamullen parish/Derrygooney Townland area for the period 1800-1825 online?
I've had a look through the "Monaghan Resources" section on this board but most of the more promising links no longer work.
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There have been replies on your newest topic asking about available Monaghan records. If you don't find the records you want listed in PRONI's Presbyterian records then they are either only in local custody or simply do not exist.
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The first minister of Corlea was Mr. Matthew Adams, who was ordained here by the Presbytery of Monaghan on the 11th of May, 1824.
The congregation obtained Regium Donum in 1827.
The congregation was, in 1835, entered on the minutes of the Synod as Corlea, instead of Ballytrain.
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There have been replies on your newest topic asking about available Monaghan records. If you don't find the records you want listed in PRONI's Presbyterian records then they are either only in local custody or simply do not exist.
Thanks. From looking at the PRONI records it appears some relevant records might exist, but that they can only be accessed in person at PRONI.
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The first minister of Corlea was Mr. Matthew Adams, who was ordained here by the Presbytery of Monaghan on the 11th of May, 1824.
The congregation obtained Regium Donum in 1827.
The congregation was, in 1835, entered on the minutes of the Synod as Corlea, instead of Ballytrain.
Thanks Hallmark. What did the local Presbyterians do by way of marriages, baptisms etc prior to that time?
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There are two places of worship for Presbyterians; one at Ballytrain, in connection with the Synod of Ulster, and of the third class; and the other at Crieve, in connection with the Seceding Synod, of the second class
http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/A/Aughnamullen-Cremorne-Monaghan.php
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There are two places of worship for Presbyterians; one at Ballytrain, in connection with the Synod of Ulster, and of the third class; and the other at Crieve, in connection with the Seceding Synod, of the second class
http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/A/Aughnamullen-Cremorne-Monaghan.php
Thanks for the link. If you can't find much about your actual ancestors individually its always interesting to learn about where they lived and the times they lived through.
Presbyterian church history in Ulster looks very complicated-I'll need to find some time to get my head around it!
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I'd be more inclined to look at Ballybay 1st Pres. as that church existed from 1698..and where there is a Forde gravestone. It's reasonably near to where they lived.
Snail mail..
1st Ballybay Presbyterian Minister
The Manse
Clones Road
Ballybay
Monaghan
Ireland
asking if they have records. Enclose an email addy, and also that you would make a Donation (marked as a donation) if they could assist you.
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If you use the Irish Google website www.google .ie and then "Derrygooney" AND "forde" assearch term you get a pile of stuff.
E.G. http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014909/005014909_00551.pdf
AND MUCH MORE!
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FOUND ON WWW.GOOGLE.IE
William Ford 23 hus Labourer Prot both Monaghan, Armagh Employed by George Cherry, a relation, Melbourne Employed by George Cherry, a relation, Melbourne arrived 16 Feb 1844 on the Wallace
Sarah Ford 27 wife Prot both Monaghan, Armagh arrived 16 Feb 1844 on the Wallace
Mary Ford 1 died Monaghan, Armagh arrived 16 Feb 1844 on the Wallace
Caroline Ford 0 born on board and baptised 22nd January 1844 at Sea, House servant Prot both Oxfordshire arrived 16 Feb 1844 on the Wallace
William Ford and Sarah had baptised Caroline and Robert 1848, Henry 1852, James 1856
There is a baptism record for a William Ford, baptised 17th August 1821, father Henry Ford, address Derrygooney, parish Aughnamullen.
William Ford wed Sarah Trew in Apr 1842 in County Cavan, Ireland. (Sarah Trew was baptised about 1817 in County Cavan, Ireland, died on 2 Aug 1901 in Wickliffe, VIC, Australia and was buried in 1901 in Wickliffe Cemetery, Wickliffe, VIC.)
William Ford came on the Wallace (864 tons) sailed from Liverpool on 3rd November 1843. The Fords were small tenant farmers in county Monaghan, Ireland, where the landowners had reduced the acreages of the tenant farms. No longer able to sustain a living for the family, in 1843 William and his 3 brothers decided that they must seek their fortunes outside Ireland. William, his wife Sarah Trew, and their infant daughter Mary arranged their assisted passage (18 pounds and seven shillings was recorded as bounty for each adult) on the Wallace, Departing with the ship's Master, Andrew Main, were a crew of 40, and 335 passengers (208 adults, 44 older children aged 7-14, and 83 young children under 7). In the tropics, diarrhoea broke out aboard the ship, and their daughter Mary died on 22nd November 1843 aged about 1 year. Sarah was pregnant at the time of departure, and gave birth at sea on 21st January 1844 to a baby girl - the ship's register records the birth of Mary Ford, but Caroline Ford is the name on the arriving passenger list. There had been 38 deaths recorded (11 adults, 1 older child, and 26 young children) from diarrhoea, dysentery and typhoid, and 5 births on the 15 week voyage, which arrived at Port Phillip on 16th February 1844
William never again had contact with his brothers, but thought that one went to North America, another to India, whilst the other's destination was unknown. http://www.reocities.com/vic1847/f/f13.html
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Thanks Hallmark, I might send them a letter (must remember how that works!)
Fortunately, our Fordes weren't forced off the land, and continue farming in the area to this day. The Australian branch wasn't started until a third son without a farm to look after went in search of better things after WW2.
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Possibly descendants of George who stayed, as per will??
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Yes they certainly are. George was one of five children, and he in turn had twelve, and together with the rest of his siblings they did a lot to keep Derrygoony well populated into the twentieth century! :)
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Thanks Hallmark, I might send them a letter (must remember how that works!)
Fortunately, our Fordes weren't forced off the land, and continue farming in the area to this day. The Australian branch wasn't started until a third son without a farm to look after went in search of better things after WW2.
No one is saying they were forced off the land BUT it does look like these left "voluntarily" because there were so many of them on the farm!
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Hi ctrunfree.
I am presuming you are a descendant of George Forde and Mary Jane Moore. I would descend from George's brother Samuel who married Hannah Orr from Gartnaneane , Co Cavan.
John
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Hi ctrunfree.
I am presuming you are a descendant of George Forde and Mary Jane Moore. I would descend from George's brother Samuel who married Hannah Orr from Gartnaneane , Co Cavan.
John
Hi (cousin) John!
Lovely to hear from you. Yes, I am a descendant of George and Mary Jane through their son Samuel (1872-1952) who married Lizzie Montgomery. We have found the Irish side of the family to be very hard going, particularly from this distance (I live in Melbourne Australia). Any additional information you might have about the Fordes and their relations would be very much appreciated. I'll message you with my email details.
Regard Anney
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Hi Anney.
Good to hear from you and I got your PM. I had left this side of the family to one side as there are so many Fordes to sort out in the area but am getting stuck into it at the moment. I found a death cert for a William Forde that died at Derrygooney 23 Dec 1877 that I have presumed would be the father of our Samuel and George. Aged 82 on the death cert that would leave him born 1796. I have the marriage cert for a William Forde Derrygooney to a Sarah McEveigh, 12 Jan 1853 at Corlea. He was a Widower. I hadnt though that he might be our William on a second marriage. Myself like others researching the family would have him married to an Elizabeth passing away at Derrygooney 7 Oct 1880 a widow. I will have a look a bit more at what i have and get back.
John
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Hi again John
We've sent you a more detailed email, but in short we have always thought that our William FORDE (1782-1868) was the one who married Sarah. However, as you say these FORDE's are difficult to pin down!
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Hi folks
Coming back to this after a break of seven years, we're still trying to find out who was the father of George FORDE (1825-1895) of Derrygooney Co Monaghan. It was William FORDE on his MC, but was it William FORDE (1782-1868) also of Derrygooney, and if so who was his mother? It appears William FORDE married Sarah McEVEIGH in 1853 at Corlea Church, but he was a widower by then. And if that is our William was his father George FORDE (b 1757)? I'm wondering if the intervening time has produced a bit more information about the Protestant families in the Monaghan area.
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One possibility to consider, from Diocesan and Prerogative Marriage Licence Bonds index, is an 1819 marriage in Clogher Diocese between a William Forde and a Margaret Henderson. Unfortunately, though, it does not indicate which townland/s they were from.
You have perhaps already checked, but does mention of the names of his brothers-in-law in George's 1895 will help tie him to siblings that might in turn tie him to a particular set of parents? Available on PRONI website, where he is indexed as Forde alias Foorde:
Letters of Administration (with the Will) of the personal estate of George Forde late of Derrygooney County Monaghan Farmer who died 20 April 1895 were granted at Armagh to Mary Jane Forde of Derrygooney Widow the Universal Legatee during viduity.
A modern headstone in memory of George, Mary & family:
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01sku/
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Thanks for that. Unfortunately PRONI remains a bit of a mystery to me. What do I put in the catalogue search to come up with the record you cited?
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Direct link to Wills Calendar search page at PRONI:
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
and marriage bonds index at NAI:
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/dm/home.jsp
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Thanks for that, The will was interesting- he left it quite late! Couldn't find anything in the marriage indexes.
I've actually stood next to that headstone. Perhaps the mother was Elizabeth (although that could have equally well been the wife's mother).