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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Sussex => England => Sussex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Alice-Marie on Sunday 05 October 14 16:15 BST (UK)
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Hello I would appreciate anyone with Horsham baptism/birth records to have a look to see if you can find some information on a possible base born child Daniel SAYERS born 1810 to Jane SAYERS and putative father Daniel McGregor and possibly baptised on 4/3/1810 at Horsham. I am trying to find out who Jane's parents may have been. I did find a Jane SAYERS who was buried at West Chiltington on 2/3/1810 (two days before the baptism of Daniel) so maybe she was the mother who died in childbirth or maybe just a co-incidence. I have been looking for this elusive link to my family tree for 15 years so anyone who is on the ground in Sussex and may be able to put some meat on the bones I would be eternally grateful. Thank you.
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Welcome to Rootschat
Are you a member of the Sussex Family History Group? They have a lot of records online for members. It does not seem to be working today but is usually very reliable.
West Chiltington is not that close to Horsham and there seem to be Sayers families in both places.
Who does your Daniel marry? There seem to be a couple of possibilities for him in later census records so knowing that will help us.
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I have a copy of the Horsham pr's on fiche. I can confirm Daniels baptism.
' 4 March 1810 Daniel son of Daniel McGreggor/26th ..?/ by Jane.' Sorry, can't read the writing between the slashes but it might be his birth date, 26th Jan or Feb?
Reading the entry it doesn't suggest to me that Daniel junior was illegitimate. I'll have a look for a marriage. By the way, looking for children of Daniel & Jane will not give you information on Jane's parents but I'm sure we can find some possibilities,
Jane
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Hello Alice- Marie
Welcome to RootsChat :)
From Daniel`s Baptisum on SFHG,is states his Father Daniel was a Soldier in the 26th Regiment
I cant find a marriage on the Sussex Marriage Index.With Daniel being a Soldier ,maybe him & Jane were both from elsewhere.
Kind Regards
omega
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Ahh, bingo omega ;) That's what it says on the PR...26 th Reg. There was a barracks in Horsham at that time. Just confirming Omega's find or non find on the marriage index..no marriage found.
So you would be looking for a Daniel McGregor not Sayers. With a name like McGregor I would be looking at Scotland for Daniel seniors beginnings, maybe Jane's too. Where did you get the name, Sayers, from Alice- Marie?
Your next step would be to try to find his military records they would give quite a bit of information!
Jane
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Maybe a long shot but as he is a Pensioner well worth considering;
1841 Census
South Street,
Alverstoke, Hampshire
HO107/388/7/Alverstoke
Daniel McGREGOR, 60, Pensioner, born Scotland
Grace McGregor, 60, born in County
Possible Marriage;
Daniel McGREGOR/Grace SHEEVES, 9 January 1837, Alverstoke, Hampshire
(Source Familysearch.Org)
Trish :)
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Wow thanks all so much. I know Daniel SAYERS was born around 1808-1810 he married Harriet Wheatley on December 10th 1832 at St Nicholas, Brighton. I know they had at least 2 children baptised there and one in Hastings. I can find them in the 1851 and other censuses onwards but not 1841. Daniel always gives his birth as different places, one is Wisborough Green, one is Horsham, one is Shipley (all in the same area). When Harriet died Daniel remarried and names Daniel on his marriage certificate as his father. I just cannot seem to find his baptism or birth! It's so frustrating. A researcher in Sussex some many years ago said that the Horsham record showing Daniel McGregor as father and Jane SAYERS as unmarried mother but maybe that was a wrong interpretation and this puts me back to square one. This is certainly a mystery.... really appreciate all your help what a fab forum this is! :)
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It sounds to me as if that baptism is a red herring. You are tracing a Sayers line. Am I right? Was the father on the marriage a Daniel Sayers? I am not quite clear from what you put. If it was McGregor and your Daniel was legitimate then it is odd that he went by Sayers all his life.
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It would seem that the family were in Brighton across 1841 as there are baptisms there in 1836 (John) and 1842 (Marianne).
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Alice-Marie, there are several trees on Ancestry concerning Daniel & they suggest that he was the one born in Shipley. In 1841 he was in North Lane, Brighton. Obviously needs verification but that should come from the baptism entry in Shipley, hopefully it gives his father as, Daniel,
Jane
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Hi Jane
What is the reference for 1841? I can't find them. The only one I can see is a Daniel with wife Ann and he is a Miller. No children.
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Hi yes Sillgen I am looking for the SAYERS line and got stuck at Daniel's birth in 1808 some years ago now. I need to get sight of the second marriage certificate my Uncle has it, so will need to check with him. He may have put Sayers but maybe if he was baseborn he may never have been told that his father was not a Sayers, who knows. I know they must have been in or around Brighton at the time of 1841 but they did move about a bit so maybe they were travelling to where the work was as one of their sons was baptised in Hastings All Saints in 1833. I can't seem to find any trace of Marianne, John or Alfred past their baptisms either so maybe they died. They were not with their parents at time of 1851 census. I did a lot of genealogy about 15 years ago and got a long way with some of the lines when I had the time to go to the actual locations. I thought now there may be more information out there than back then but it doesn't seem like anyone else other than my Uncle is looking for Daniel! Omega 1 we are related also to the James family of Pembrokeshire! Small world. Thanks all for your insights. :)
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Hi again, yes I found the Brighton Daniel 1841 married to Ann with no children, I don't think that is our Daniel.
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The problem is that there are several Daniel Sayers born in Sussex around that time. When was the second marriage? I can see Daniel as a widower in 1881 and then his death in 1886.
In 1871 he is with Harriet. Are you sure he married twice?
Who do you descend from?
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Hi I am a direct descended from Daniel SAYERS on my maternal line. His second marriage was after 1881 and his death certificate 13/7/1886 shows the informant as widow Mary Jane Sayers present at the death 98 Ashford Road Eastbourne. Gives his age as 78 years and occupation as Distraint Bailiff. I know my Uncle has their marriage cert which should give more info, I have to persuade him to get it down from his attic! :)
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I think important questions will be answered if you can see that second marriage cert. It will give his occupation & his father's name plus witnesses who could help verify you have the right Daniel Sayers.
His first marriage in 1832 (parish register entry) to Harriet wont give father's name but should give his occupation & some witness names. So worth tracking that down.
Silligen - I just copied the 1841 census information from the Ancestry tree without checking it. When I looked a little closer at the information recorded on that tree, I found children being born to Daniel & Harriet after her death ::) so not well researched!
Alice-Marie, so we are looking for a Daniel Sayers born about 1808, probably in Sussex with a father named, Daniel?
Jane
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Hello Alice-Marie
Looking for info regarding Alfred getting nowhere fast.
Sent you a Personal Message regarding the James`s
omega :)
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Hi All
Yes that is about the summary of it, Daniel SAYERS born circa 1808-1810 birthplaces given on census returns as Wisborough Green, Horsham and Shipley. Father's name also Daniel. I agree would be good to see the original entry of marriage to Harriet to pick up more clues. Best Wishes all. :)
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Your profile does not say where you live but if you are not able to go to one of the Sussex record offices you can order the film of the parish register to search at your nearest LDS centre. They are listed on familysearch.
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Its possible you may be able to share your search with another, or at least pool your respective knowledge. On 31 March 2004, Tony (Anthony James?) wrote on the Rootsweb website;
I have a Daniel SAYERS who dies in 1883 who stated that his father was Daniel SAYERS probably from Horsham or Shipley, it is this man, Daniel SAYERS the elder, that I am trying to trace.
Roy G
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Hello Roy, yes I have pooled my knowledge on Ancestry, I joined recently, and the above post from ten years ago in 2004 was from my Uncle. We still haven't found Daniel! Best Wishes