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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: Paul Peter on Saturday 04 October 14 20:35 BST (UK)
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Hi I have a marriage certificate from Irish Roots website but the name of the father of the groom's is missing. Would the marriage certificate from the GRO be any different ?
Paul
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I suspect that the GRO certificate will be exactly the same. I only know England and Wales certificates - where the father's name is omitted it invariably means that the "child" is illegitimate.
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In Ireland it can also mean that the father is deceased- if "deceased" is written in that box instread of the father's name and occupation then databases often leave that blank. The only way you will know is to get the certificate.
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What do you mean by "I have a marriage certificate from Irish Roots website"? Do you mean that someone on the website has posted a copy of the marriage certificate which you've seen/copied? Wouldn't that mean that the person who has posted the copy has already bought the marriage cert from GRO or somewhere else?
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Hi Lizzie
I have paid for access to the Irish Roots site for one month and found the certificate on there, they have their records from the local parish but I wasn't sure if the GRO would be the same and didn't want to waste my money paying for cert from there if it would say the exact same thing. looks like I might have to pay up and see what I get !
Paul
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Hi Paul
I thought the GRO records were only copies of the parish records so, in theory, the information shouldn't be any different.
Lizzie
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If Irish records work in the same way as English ones, then the GRO entry will be a copy of the parish entry. Here in England, a copy of the church entry is submitted to the local Registration District, who in turn submit to the GRO. If you can determine from your copy of the marriage certificate that the bride, groom, witnesses etc. have individually signed the certificate, by which I mean there are differences in the handwriting, then I would not bother obtaining the GRO certificate. ;)
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Hi I have a marriage certificate from Irish Roots website but the name of the father of the groom's is missing. Would the marriage certificate from the GRO be any different ?
Paul
On the record from roots ireland does it say church marriage or civil marriage? If civil marriage there is no point in ordering the cert as I would think the transcription should have all the information that would be on the original record. However if a church marriage it is possibly worthwhile ordering to see if some details were not entered on the parish register.
annclare
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Hi
Thanks for all the comments and suggestions. It is a copy of the church record that I have.
I might get the civil one and see and will let you know if does say anything different.
Paul
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The RootIreland transcriptions are questionable to say the least, many were done on a job scheme so often the person doing them had no interest at all in the job, I'd buy the Civil Cert to be sure if I was you.
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I'd be inclined to get the certificate too - I know of at least one batch from County Kildare which on RootsIreland just list father's surnames, but if you get the corresponding civil marriage you get the father's full name.
Good luck.
Richard.
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The RootIreland transcriptions are questionable to say the least, many were done on a job scheme so often the person doing them had no interest at all in the job, I'd buy the Civil Cert to be sure if I was you.
Oh I would have loved a job doing that!
Quite a few of the UK census transcriptions were done overseas - one classic example was "Bath, Somalia"!! :o
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Hi
Just to let you know I requested the civil certificate from GRO and got a message back that they can't trace it so back to the drawing board
thanks for the suggestions
Paul
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What year was it?
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Hi it was the marriage between James Drohan and Mary Grady in Carrick On Suir on 10/11/1878
Paul
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There should be a Cert, as its late in the year you might have expected to find it early 1879 but there is no sign of it. Looks like the priest never sent it in or there is something very wrong with the transcription.
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Hi Paul
I thought the GRO records were only copies of the parish records so, in theory, the information shouldn't be any different.
Lizzie
In theory being the operative words, but in practise not necessarily so.
I purchased a GRO copy of my gt grandparents' marriage cert some years ago and although I didn't question it I did struggle to find the witnesses in any record/census.
Only recently the actual parish registers have been digitised and uploaded to Ancestry so now, not only can I see my grandfather's signature but I know the witnesses were Brocklebank, not Brockbank.
I wonder if I can ask for a refund as the GRO was not a true copy. :-\
Susan
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I had the same problem with obtaining the Marriage certificate for Bridget Drohan and Patrick Driscoll in Carrick on Suir on 22 May 1870. The Rootsireland record does not have a father listed which I desperately need. Perhaps when the original parish records come on line later in the year, I may have more luck. IS your James Drohan the son of David Drohan and Brigid Daniel?
Joanne
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Some thing to consider
what reasons would someone need to produce a marriage cert to show proof of marriage.
Pension application , marriage of a child or school entry of a child just trying to give dates for a possible later registration as in my case.
My great uncle Hugh O'Neill or Hugh Neill on his marriage cert proved to be a very elusive man he was having children in Dublin in the 1920s and it cost me a small fortune buying several marriage certs for him till i decided to do a search on Family Search in his wife's name only Kathleen Gillespie and up popped one in Dublin North in 1946 matched with Hugh Neill i purchased this cert and it was indeed the right one married in 1920, i still have no idea why it was registered 25 years after their actual marriage but they obviously needed it for something which caused it to be registered late.