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hello to all i am trying to look for info on a person in my tree, they are proving impossible to find on the 1911 census she is living in manchester with her daughter, her name is louie riddell and is listed as a widow she says that the marrage was 5 years there is no trace of any marrage in england or scotland of a male riddell marrying a female named louie she says she is from wellington shropshire yet there is no record of a louie born over the 10 year period she claims as her birth date, then there is daughter marjorie astbury riddell born 1908 there is no birth record in england or scotland 1905-1910 there is also no one who fits the bill dying in the manchester area i am at a loss where to look next
can anyone help or suggest another site other than ancestry or scotlands people
chris
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Hello,
Your message is a bit confusing. Are you saying she is 'impossible to find' on 1911 census?
Where do you have her with her daughter?
Regards
Heywood
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Louie Riddell death
Born abt 1882 47 yrs
South Manchester March 1929 volume 8d pg 440
Probate granted to Marjorie Astbury Tice in 1944 ???
Louie was living at 9 Clarence Road when she died.
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Louie and Marjory are fairly straight forward to find in 1911?
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Lancashire BMD has this birth
1908. Cheetham sub- district Manchester
Minna Marjorie Riddel Astbury - mother's maiden name Astbury
Free BMD it is Prestwich June quarter volume 8d page 422
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Louie Riddell death
Born abt 1882 47 yrs
South Manchester March 1929 volume 8d pg 440
Probate granted to Marjorie Astbury Tice in 1944 ???
Louie was living at 9 Clarence Road when she died.
Marjorie's marriage.
Marriages Dec 1935
Riddell Marjorie A to Tice Manchester S. 8d 183
Tice George to Riddell Manchester S. 8d 183
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Louie Ridell burial
Southern Cemetery 20 March 1929
http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/GenSearch.aspx
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There are a couple of Louisa Astburys in Shropshire. The years of birth are similar but don't match the age at death. However this does happen.
Here are two of them
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3J2-ZSY
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3JT-DZN
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There is also this entry
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X9RJ-23K
She is Louis Ashbury on another site.
The name could be just badly written.
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many many thanks for all the help, i cannot fathom how i have been searching for quite a while and never got anything other than the 1911 census & the will extract all we have to find now is the marrage, the family believe that marjories father was named john but i cannot find a death of a john riddell in the manchester area he must have died between 1907 and 1911, based on being marjories father and louie saying on the census that she is a widow, she also states that her married state was 5 years but is that how long she was married from the census date or how long she was married overall
again many thanks for the help i now can progress starting with the birth cert
thanks to everyone
chris
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As Marjorie is registered as Astbury with mother's name of Astbury, it looks as though she could be illegitimate, although her father may have had the surname Riddell as she and her mother used the surname.
You could send for her birth certificate which may give more information.
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yep we had considered that but she says 5 years completed marrage on the census so i will keep looking and will now look up her birth cert
so the marrage could be 5 years before the birth thus i will look from 1903
many thanks
chris
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I immediately thought that she must be illegitimate with the mothers surname being the same as hers.
It was easy enough to fib on the census,especially if she was in an area where no one knew them.
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There is also this entry
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X9RJ-23K
She is Louis Ashbury on another site.
The name could be just badly written.
She would be about 10 years too old, but could have lied about her age,
This looks like the same person on 1891 census
Piece 2823, Folio number 29 and page 1.
There doesn't seem to be a definite match for birth reg.
There is a Louisa Dorcas but she is also on 1891 census with widowed mother Dorcas.
There is a Lizzie Lee in 1870 - could she be the one and preferred to call herself Louie.
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Can't be Lizzie Lee Astbury, she married in 1897 in Wolverhampton district to either Thomas Ayress or Thomas Clayton.
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i think louie has told porky pies on the census there is no record of any marrage in england or scotland so she probebly was'nt a widow either i will have to get the birth cert
thanks
chris
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Lancashire opc has Marjorie's baptism
St James, Broughton 15th July 1908
Mina Margery Reddel Astbury - parent Louie Astbury
Born 30 May 1908
Address: 29 Daresbury St.
Parent's occupation- Waitress
She is consistent in calling herself Louie.
Heywood