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Have just come across reference as a film number - could someone please let me how I can order these?
thanks
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Hiya Wishes,
What area did the certificate relate to?
Trystan
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the reference was on a baptism in 1867 and marriage in 1841 & 1890
any help in where to get these would be appreciated
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Hi Wishes,
They sound like parish records, where in the country do they relate to?
Trystan
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Was the reference on a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) website (Familysearch)?
If so you order the film through the LDS.
If the film was mentioned on an individual's research then the film may have to be purchased through the relevant county record office.
If you give the name or location of the parish then we might be able to direct you to the best location.
As with most questions in genealogy much depends on details such as location.
Cheers
Guy
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the information that i have was through ancestry.
I have Saint Martin In the Fields, Westminster - marriage 1890 between Thomas Christopher Bodger and Elizabeth Mitchell
St Peter, Wisbech, Cambridgeshire - marriage between William Bodger and Martha Pridmore 3 April 1864 and
Terrington St Clement, Norfolk - baptism for Thomas Christopher Bodger 10 Feb 1867
If you can point me in the right direction that would be great, thanks
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To order certificates, do so through the General Register Office (GRO):
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
The cost is £9.25 per certificate.
You will need Year, Quarter, District, Volume no, and Page no.
The film numbers you have are FHL Film Numbers, and relate (I think) to films held by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, aka Mormons.
You can order these films at your local LDS church, for viewing there.
Alternatively, look them up on FamilySearch?
NB The Source Info for that 1890 marriage says:
Ancestry.com. England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014.
Original data: England, Marriages, 1538–1973. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013.
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the information that i have was through ancestry.
I have Saint Martin In the Fields, Westminster - marriage 1890 between Thomas Christopher Bodger and Elizabeth Mitchell
Find My Past have the Westminster one (you can pay per view )
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fm%2f492452178%2f1&highlights=%22%22
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Butting in, I wonder if we could go through this step-by-step
So there are two records on FamilySearch for the Wisbech Pridmore marriage with the same reference but in different record sets
M13850-5 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 1040590
M13850-5 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 1040590
So do we now we go to an LDS centre, give them the reference to the film, they order it and we come back another time to see it? Or is it orderable in advance? Or available on demand at the centre?
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You have to order in advance on the website https://familysearch.org/films/ and pay the appropriate fee. If you are in the UK, I think it is still £7.50 for three months but its worth bearing in mind that they take about a month to arrive at your requested centre (and that is included in the three months initial loan period). You will then get an email when its marked as delivered to the centre and you can then view it when the centre is open.
I'd check how close your local LDS centre is before ordering and what their opening hours are. Many of the UK centres don't have very long opening hours and often aren't open at weekends if you work.
It may be worth checking with Cambridgeshire Records Office if you just want to see a copy of that entry as to how much they charge for a copy (assuming the details are the same on both entries on familysearch).
Also Cambridge Family History Society have transcribed most if not all Cambridgeshire records pre 1837 (and later) so worth a look if you want to narrow down where to look, albeit I don't think you'll find all information on marriages necessarily transcribed (such as witnesses). There website is http://www.cfhs.org.uk/.
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So do we now we go to an LDS centre, give them the reference to the film, they order it and we come back another time to see it? Or is it orderable in advance? Or available on demand at the centre?
Yes exactly that Steve- you go there complete a form pay yer money (used to be £5 for a months usage) and then they ring you and you go back and view the film,as many times as you wish during that month.
If the film is in this country,they usually get it within a couple of weeks-if not and it has to come from USA then it can be about a month.
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Yes exactly that Steve- you go there complete a form pay yer money (used to be £5 for a months usage) and then they ring you and you go back and view the film,as many times as you wish during that month.
If the film is in this country,they usually get it within a couple of weeks-if not and it has to come from USA then it can be about a month.
Minimum is 3 months now not 1 month, changed a few years back (either 2009 or 2010, I forget which) when they went to online ordering. You can't now order in the centres, this changed again a few years ago. Something to do with the Tax Man wanting to charge tax on orders made at the centres.
In the UK most of the films are delivered from Germany, it used to be Garratts Green in Birmingham but that closed a few years ago and everything was moved to Germany. Hence it now takes about a month to arrive.
One exception is the London LDS Centre which is now at Kew, where they do hold a lot more films so can be viewed at the centre without ordering.
Its worth checking with your local centre to see what they hold locally as I know of one in the Birmingham area which holds a lot of copy parish registers for Northamptonshire and transcripts for Bedfordshire and some for Kent. It depends on how proactive they were prior to the change in ordering.
When they originally went to online ordering, I think most centres didn't start the three months loan period until after it was received at the centre. Now the return date is controlled centrally and I believe they will charge extra if the film isn't marked as returned (by the centre) in time. So now you don't get three months for your money, which isn't really fair if it takes a long time to arrive at the centre. From experience in the UK, it does take about a month to turn up.
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Thanks Smudwhisk- seems I'm a bit out of date- I used to go to the Northampton LDS centre but thinking about it it's been a few years,they always seemed very old fashioned.
So they order online now do they......WOW!!
;D ;D ;D
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I would first look at FamilySearch, and other online sources!
The question to ask is: What are you trying to see on the film, that isn't available online?
And try your local FHC (LDS Family History Centre) first to see what they have available. It may not be necessary to order any films?!
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Thanks very much for the info, everyone, it was very helpful
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the information that i have was through ancestry.
I have Saint Martin In the Fields, Westminster - marriage 1890 between Thomas Christopher Bodger and Elizabeth Mitchell
Find My Past have the Westminster one (you can pay per view )
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fm%2f492452178%2f1&highlights=%22%22
Thomas Christopher Bodger 24,bach,groom of 30 Chandos Street ,father William Bodger Farm labourer.
Married ...at St Martin's in the Field on 30th Dec 1890.
Elizabeth Mitchell,25,spinster,of 14 Brook Street,father John Mitchell labourer.
Witnesses James Jones and Christiana Bodger- all signed.
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Thanks Smudwhisk- seems I'm a bit out of date- I used to go to the Northampton LDS centre but thinking about it it's been a few years,they always seemed very old fashioned.
So they order online now do they......WOW!!
;D ;D ;D
The prices went through the roof just before they went to online ordering too. ::) ::) They appear to charge 7.50 everywhere, its just £7.50 is far more expensive than $7.50 in the US and AU$7.50. :-\
Not surprisingly, the number of films ordered in the UK has now dropped through the floorboards, partly because more records are now available on commercial sites and partly because of the severe increase in prices charge.:-\
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Back again...
So I'm in Croydon, the nearest centre is Kew. Looking at the website, it appears that they have the film already on site.
So I just sit down at a terminal, plug in the film number and up it comes? No £7.50 to pay? Maybe a cost if I want to print it or can I get a scan of it?
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OK, I'll ask the dumb question again! ;D
What is it you are hoping to see on the film?
(It may well be that there is no further information to be had! ::) )
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Hi, I'm interested in the process rather than these actual records (I'm not the OP).
I have more common surnames in my tree, so the address & occupation fields are often useful
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So I just sit down at a terminal, plug in the film number and up it comes? No £7.50 to pay? Maybe a cost if I want to print it or can I get a scan of it?
I've never been to Kew so couldn't say. If they are on film, you will have to view them on a microfilm reader but I gather Kew probably has the facility to print (or save to a USB) from the films which many other LDS centres in the UK do not. However, you'd need to check with Kew on what the exact facilities are. ;D
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Information that is on the relevant Birth or Marriage certificate?
Which costs only £9.25 - no postage; no travel costs; no parking charges!! ;D
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If you only want to see the image for the one marriage and one baptism, then you could just request those, for free, via Photoduplication
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Photoduplication_Services
If you want to review those PLUS any other entries (to see if there's any more there of interest to you), then you'll need to order the film and go to an LDS centre to look at them (or to Kew as described above).
STG
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If you can easily get to Kew, the London LDS library are currently on the first floor in the 'open access' area which means you don't need a readers ticket.
You can check their catalogue holdings on the left side of the screen here
http://www.londonfhc.org/
If they have the film there is no fee to pay.
Take the film number you are interested in to them and fill in a slip. They will get the film out of the stockroom for you, takes about 15 mins.
If you don't know how to use a microfilm reader, they will set you up.
If you then want a print of an entry, you have to remove the film from the reader and take it to a member of staff who will then load ip up to a reader linked to a printer. Yiou will work with them to find the entry again and they will manipulate the image to the right size and quality and either print it to A3 or A4 or if you take a usb stick, they will put in on that. There is a small charge for paper printouts or transfer to usb.
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If you only want to see the image for the one marriage and one baptism, then you could just request those, for free, via Photoduplication
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Photoduplication_Services
If you want to review those PLUS any other entries (to see if there's any more there of interest to you), then you'll need to order the film and go to an LDS centre to look at them (or to Kew as described above).
STG
From discussion on RC earlier this year, I gather if you live within 50 miles of an LDS Family History Centre you aren't allowed to order through this service. How well it's being policed I don't know, but its worth bearing this in mind. I think you have to provide a full postal address even though entries are emailed, so they can check how close to a centre you live. This rule was I gather introduced because, not surprisingly, the service was heavily used. Unfortunately I suspect many people in the UK do live that close to a centre.
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Its also worth bearing in mind for Cambridgeshire that a lot of the Family History Society's transcripts are now searchable on FindMyPast, although last time I looked they'd managed to screw up the formatting and were missing dates on the baptisms but hopefully they may have fixed that by now. :-\ At least this provides a finding aid, albeit they should really be checked against originals before being relied upon.
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Information that is on the relevant Birth or Marriage certificate?
Which costs only £9.25 - no postage; no travel costs; no parking charges!! ;D
Well, yes, if it exists.
And you choose the right one...
If you only want to see the image for the one marriage and one baptism, then you could just request those, for free, via Photoduplication
Wth a 100% failure rate, I'd have needed another step-by-step guide for that :)
The 50-mile rule probably explains why I didn't hear anything back when I tried it though
Practical Kew stuff,
Thanks Dawn!
And thanks, smudwhisk
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Good page for reference
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND&collectionsWithImages=true
went into the Norfolk bishop transcripts and there are a couple of records that should interest you...Thomas Christopher is one!
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another one for you to look at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tinstaafl/Church_Pages/terrington_st_clement4.htm
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Many thanks to everyone for your input on solving my problem. The reason I was interested was to see if there was further information which would open another avenue in my searching and to get a copy for my records and authenticity.
thanks again greatly appreciated :)