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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: warkworth on Tuesday 23 September 14 18:04 BST (UK)
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I have just discovered a death notice in the local newspaper of Beverley in the East Riding of Yorkshire for a Thomas Welbourn, late of Etton (a village just north of Beverley), who is said to have died in Ballinora in May 1860. No age is given.
I have for years been trying to find out what happened to my great-great grandfather Thomas Welbourn of Etton, a bricklayer, who simply disappears from the record after 1851, leaving his young children with relatives. (His wife had died shortly beforehand). I cannot think of any reason why he might have gone to Ireland, but it has to be worth investigating.
Can anyone tell me anything about the man who died in Ballinora? I'll be forever grateful for any information at all.
Joyce
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Unfortunately civil registration of deaths didn't start until 1864. It's possible he went over to work in Cork-
http://kieranmccarthy.ie/wordpress/?p=2467
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Welbourn is not an Irish name but was his Mum possibly Irish ?
Tara
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Thank you both for your suggestions.
I have found no Irish connections on either side of the family well back into the early 18th century. Both are solidly Yorkshire stock.
He could well have gone abroad to work - I did wonder about emigration, but there's no evidence - but why Ireland? Why Cork? I'm sure Ireland already had plenty of bricklayers.
An apology - I made a typo in my original message. In fact, my Thomas disappears before the 1861 census, not 1851. His youngest child was born in March 1857; his wife died in Jan 1859. Her death certificate and her gravestone imply he was alive then, though the cert does call him a farmer - combining jobs isn't unusual in rural communities, I suppose. He didn't register her death.
A very frustrating business. Ballinora has been my best lead so far.
Thanks again.
Joyce
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If you look at the link I posted earlier you'll see that the area was having a bit of a building boom in the mid-1800s and since Thomas was a bricklayer it might explain why he went there (if the Ballinora death is your Thomas).
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My apologies - I meant to go back to look at the link and forgot. Indeed, it does seem possible that this could be my Thomas.
I note also that there was a British military presence there, too, maybe with civil contractors (I don't think Thomas would be joining the ranks at nearly 40). I'll check whether the local regiment had contingents in Ireland at the time.
Thank you very much.
Joyce
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his will in Cork
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014883/005014883_00304.pdf
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Dathai
This is fabulous! It is indeed my great-great grandfather. I could never have believed it.
Thank you very, very much! And thanks to everyone else for your contributions and help.
All the best
Joyce
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Isn't it a great result :)
Well done dathai!
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My pleasure Joyce.
Due to the dates given i was looking to see if there was a chance he might appear on Griffiths Valuations,there are a lot of vacant properties in the Ballincollig area and it could have been any one of them.
£800 a tidy sum in those days.
Griffiths Valuations
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
Cheers
Dathai
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Street view of Balinora click on picture and go for a drive see how rural it is.
https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Ballinora,+Co.+Cork/@51.8612695,-8.57256,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x48448de92fbf5fe7:0x2600c7a819c73492
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I think he would probably have felt quite at home there. It's very much like the Yorkshire Wolds. I wonder what brought him there, though. Don't think I'll ever find out - there are no family papers, at least, none that came down to my immediate family. I'm descended from his eldest son, but he had a huge family and any that did survive could have ended up with any of Thomas's grandchildren. In due course, I'll trawl through the local papers here to see if there's anything that might have prompted him to go.
But I am delighted to have what I thought was an intractable problem solved - and so quickly!
All the best
Joyce
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That is a fantastic result. If you want to see if there was any reference to his death in the Cork
newspapers at that time you could contact the Cork County Library,Local Studies section. They might be able to do a search for you. They are always very helpful. Their email address is
reference.library@corkcoco.ie
Worth a try.
Celtic Liberty
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Thanks, Celtic Liberty, As you say, it's definitely worth a try. I've spent so long tracking him down, I can't neglect any lead. I'm also trying the Church of Ireland for a burial place.
All the best
Joyce
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The Carrigrohane Union of Parishes might be able to help you. I know some people from Waterfall
area and also the military barracks at Ballincollig have been buried at St. Peters church, Carrigrohane.
This is the link to their site -
http://www.cupcork.ie/aboutus/contact-us/
They have always been very helpful when I have contacted them in the past. At least you have the date of death for your ancestor so that will be very helpful.
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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Thank you very much for this, too. It's amazing how many possible sources of information there are! Will follow up.
All the best
Joyce
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Just wanted to complete this subject, for the interest of all those who contributed ideas.
Thanks to the kindness and tenacity of a lady in Ireland, who undertook to search church records, I now know that Thomas was buried at Athnowen in the parish of Ovens. His grave is still there and I have photographs of it. He is also mentioned in the preacher's book as being attended by a member of the church on 17 May 1860 and dying three days later.
Many thanks to all.
Joyce
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Joyce it was so nice of you to give us an update on how you got on with your search.
Sometimes we help people out and never hear how the search progressed.
Delighted you had success in tracing your ancestor.
All the best,
Mary
Celtic Liberty,
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Joyce a wonderful outcome delighted for you and thanks for the update.
Dathai.