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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: cupcake on Monday 22 September 14 08:07 BST (UK)
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Can anyone please tell me the likely burial place for someone who died 1 October 1911 in the district of Anderston.
They died at 53 Esmond Street, Glasgow.
cupcake
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The first that springs to mind is the Western Necropolis in Tresta Road.
Often however the location selected can be influenced by a number of factors
1. If the family had strong links to a particular area
2. Religion
3. Who paid for the funeral ( if the local authority became involved it tended to be the closest and cheapest)
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Falkyrn,
Thank you for the information.
All I have is her death date and, she was a widower and her husband was a Chief Constable of Police.
cupcake
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All I have is her death date and, she was a widower and her husband was a Chief Constable of Police.
cupcake
Try the police archives as they have/had a police widows and orphans fund they may have been involved?
*Added* Records are held in the Mitchell Library
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Falkyrn,
Thank you for the information.
All I have is her death date and, she was a widower and her husband was a Chief Constable of Police.
cupcake
What was his name ?
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Falkryn,
He was George Ingram. Don't have his death details,but obviously, died before 1911 as his wife was a widower.
cupcake
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fifer1947,
Thank you for the information. Will visit the Mitchell library, the next time I get up to Glasgow.
cupcake
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Unfortunately it looks as if he wasn't a Chief Constable (see http://www.policemuseum.org.uk/) unless this was before 1846 when Anderston became part of Glasgow. he may have been in charge of a local area or station and this could take any rank.
The Mitchell do have a lot of police service records but some areas are quite patchy and others simply haven't survived as smaller forces were amalgamated. The Mitchell also have the recently digitised lair records previously held by Glasgow Council Cemeteries department which should help in answering your original question.
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Falkryn
Have looked up the census's
1851
George INGRAM was 26yrs. Police Officer Langholm, Dumfriesshire
1861
George INGRAM was 36yrs. Paisley Burgh Superintendent of Police
1871 was 46 yrs. Paisley Superintendent of Police
Can't find him on later census's. Perhaps his wife moved to Anderston after George died, which I don't when.
cupcake
George INGRAM was born in Daviot, Aberdeen.
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Falkryn
Have looked up the census's
1851
George INGRAM was 26yrs. Police Officer Langholm, Dumfriesshire
1861
George INGRAM was 36yrs. Paisley Burgh Superintendent of Police
1871 was 46 yrs. Paisley Superintendent of Police
Can't find him on later census's. Perhaps his wife moved to Anderston after George died, which I don't when.
cupcake
George INGRAM was born in Daviot, Aberdeen.
As Superintendant at that time he would have either been at the top or very close to it for the Burgh of Paisley (the museum & central library at Paisley may hold more information on him).
The Mitchell may not have anything early enough according to the website
Renfrewshire - Records of the County Police, later Renfrew and Bute (1858-c1974); Johnstone (1876-1930); Paisley (1883-1947); Port Glasgow (1871-1891); and Renfrew (1926-1930)
Unfortunately this widens the scope for your original question and although his widow may have died in Anderston the Paisley connection for her husband could mean her burial there.
(the Dumfries & Aberdeen connections may also have had some influence depending upon the family)
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Falkryn
Thank you once again.
I'll look into everything you suggested. Yes, I agree, this widens the scope for your original question.
cupcake
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Hi, if the family were Catholic, they could also be buried at St Peter's Cemetery Dalbeth which is off London Rd
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1881
9, St James Street, High Church, Paisley,
Isabbela C Ingram Daughter Unmarried Female 33 1848 Teacher C M
Archabald Ingram Son Unmarried Male 19 1862 Oil Merchant Paisley
Josephine Ingram Daughter Unmarried Female 12 1869 Scholar Paisley
Marrgret Geddes Servant Unmarried Female 13 1868 Domestic Servant Dumfriesshire, Scotland
No sign of parents although there is a Robert and Mary Ingram Farming 18acres at Cults Kennethmont Aberdeen. both aged 52 (probably a long shot)
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Bear in mind the Crematorium at the Western Necropolis opened in 1895
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AngelaS
As far as I know they weren't Catholic, but thank you for the information, which may be useful another time.
cupcake
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deebel,
Thank you for the 1881 census. Have no idea where the parents were in 1881.It is possible George Ingram had died or certainly retired from the police . He would have 56 in 1881.
Mary Ingram (Irving) died 27 October 1911.
The 1871 census:
18 Moss Street, Paisley Middle Church, Renfrewshire
George Ingram 46 (Superintendent of Police)
Mary Ingram 42
Mary F Ingram 21
George J Ingram 20
William Ingram 18
Magga A Ingram 17
Janet Ingram 13
Archibald C M Ingram 9
Josephine Ingram 2
George Ingram was born in Daviot, Aberdeenshire, so , the parents may have retired to Aberdeen.
cupcake
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cupcake
Just a thought. On the 1881 census none of the siblings describe themselves as head of the household which may simply mean that the parents were away on the night of the census
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deebel,
George Ingram 46 would be the head of the household & Mary Ingram 42 his wife. It just didn't state this on census.
George was born 1825.
cupcake
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Cupcake
Here is your info
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=GGgVawPscysC&dat=19111028&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Above is the link to Mary's death announcement.
Died 27 Oct and appeared in the Glasgow Herald the following day.
This does state that she was the relict of George Ingram, Chief Constable of PAISLEY
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=GGgVawPscysC&dat=19111030&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Above is the announcement for Mary's funeral
The page has not scanned very well but her funeral took place in PAISLEY on 30th Oct 1911
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Given that the funeral party left from Gilmour Street where the main police office was, it is likely that the lady was buried in either Woodside (west end of Paisley) which was opened in 1845 or in Hawkhead (southside) which was opened in 1891.
A lot really depends on when her husband died as it is likely that she was buried alongside him.
Renfrewshire Council may be able to assist
http://www.renfrewshire.gov.uk/webcontent/home/services/libraries/local+and+family+history/special+collections/es-sj-cemeteries-lib-altlink
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I was thinking the same thing Falkryn, but a bit more research more or less shows that George Ingram probably died in Paisley 1871.
There is a match on SP.
The deceased George Ingram was 48yrs old at time of death and if this is him, it rules out Hawkhead Cemetery.
EDIT:
A tree on Ancestry confirms that George died in Paisley on 21 Oct 1871.
1891:3 Hill St, Paisley
Mary I Ingram 63
Josephine I Ingram 22
At 1901, his widow is in Aberdeen, at the home of her daughter Isabella Carlyle Ingram, now Mrs Lumsden
1901 70 Devonshire Rd, St Machar Aberdeen
Isabel C Lumsden 53 B Closeburn, Dumfries
James G Lumsden 12 son B Peterhead
Tom G Lumsden 13 Son B Peterhead
Agnes Morrison 77 ??? Niece Student B Paisley
Fred G Pratt 12 Boarder born America
Jeanie Anderson 78 Servant B Peterhead
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AND.... here is George's death announcement in The Glasgow Herald 23 Oct 1871
Page 4 Column 7. Died of Typhus Fever. Funeral at 3pm 24 Oct
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=GGgVawPscysC&dat=18711023&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
It still doesn't say where he is buried!
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annep5892
Thank you so much for all the information you have posted. Found it very interesting.
He died so young and his youngest child was only 3 years. I found George on the 1871 census but not on the 1881 and did wonder if he had died.
I see on the 1891 census she moved to Aberdeen the home of her daughter. She wouldn't have come back to Dumfries as all her siblings went to Australia or New Zealand.
As you say, still doesn't give his burial place.
Thank you once again
cupcake
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Falkyrn
Yes, I could try Renfrewshire Council - now that I have dates.
Thank you.
cupcake
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Cupcake,
If you are in Scotland, check if your libary has a Monumental Inscription Book for Renfrewshire.
I located my own relatives grave in Woodside Cemetery from this book
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annep5892
Yes, I would imagine the Mitchell Library in Glasgow will have a Monumental Inscription Book for Renfrewshire.
The next time I am there, I'll have a look.
Thanks.
cupcake
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Renfrew Council Heritage Services
email: heritage@renfrewshire.gov.uk
phone: 0300 300 1188
fax: 0141 618 5351
write to: Paisley Central Library, Heritage Services, 68 High Street, Paisley, PA1 2BB
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deebel
Thank you kindly for that.
cupcake
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Hi,
I'm not altogether sure whether Paisley Central Library will hold any records for Woodside Cemetery/Crematorium as it is a privately owned Cemetery. You may be better contacting them direct as you now know the exact date for the death etc.
Carolineasb
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Good point carolineasb
The Registrar,
Paisley Cemetery Co. Ltd., (Woodside)
46 Broomlands Street,
Paisley.
PA1 2NP
Tel: 0141 - 889 - 2260 / 9283.
Fax: 0141 - 848 - 7748
For records search inquiries only: enquiries@paisleycemetery.co.uk
Worth checking both. There is also the old Arkleston cemetery and being a local worthy the Abbey grounds I suppose
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From the website of Renfrewshre Council
Checking cemetery records
The records for all Renfrewshire Council cemeteries are held at the cemetery office in Renfrewshire House.
Depending on the accuracy of the information you provide and the volume requested we may be able to provide this free of charge, however, there may be a charge for this service of £36.18 per half hour and we will advise you of this.
If you want to find out where someone is buried, you should use the contact details below.
Contact us
email: p-c.es@renfrewshire.gov.uk
phone: 0300 300 0380
fax: 0141 618 7501
call in or write to us at:
Renfrewshire Council
Community Resources
Renfrewshire House
Cotton Street
Paisley
PA1 1BR
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deebel
I have e-mailed registrar.cs@renfrewshire.gov.uk , so I hope they tell me whether they will charge or not.
cupcake
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Best of luck
Public holiday today so they may be closed
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Having been brought up in Paisley myself, I think unless he was RC, he is more than likely buried in Woodside. The cemetery has many important and/or wealthy local people buried there.
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Hi, i have just found these postings re the burial of George and Mary Ingram. I have been to their final resting place at Woodside Cemetery in Paisley and have photographs of the large head stone. i am their great granddaughter and live in New Zealand. The Ingrams were not RC.
Zach04