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I have a marriage for William Ellis of Brightside, Sheffield, and Fanny Thackeray of Rotherham in Rotherham on 1 May 1836, but have been unable to identify their families or origin. They were born about 1815. I have found them in all the censuses from 1841 - 1891. William was a silver plater brazier (1851 and 1861 censuses). Does anyone know where they were christened, and who their parents were?
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Just a thought -- Fanny is often a nickname for Frances.
In addition -- have you considered checking non-conformist baptisms?
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The marriage is on the Sheffield indexers http://www.sheffieldindexers.com site, with the bride named as Fanny, not Frances, but unfortunately neither baptism is there.
Familysearch has this one
Fanny Thackray
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 17 May 1812
Christening Place: ROTHERHAM,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 14 Apr 1812
Father's Name: William Thackray
Mother's Name: Mary
but it may not be the right one.
Where are they in 1841 and 1851? I can't see them ???
Bev
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Yes, I have that record and all censuses from 1841 to1891 plus death certificates, as well as 2 possible christenings for William Ellis, but no birth or baptism for Fanny and the marriage record doesn't seem to mention parents.
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I didn't see the second message. Yes, that is correct. She died in November 1892 aged 79. Does this marriage record also identify William's parents? Thank you ver much.
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I'm afraid that marriage certs from that era didn't give parents' names.
I still can't see them on the census ???
Bev
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1851 census
Piece: 2339
Folio: 944
Page Number: 13
From 1861-1891 at 42 Walkley St, Nether Hallam, Sheffield.
Familysearch brings nothing up for me re Fanny Thackray, Rotherham. She was a year older than him on all the censuses, so I thought she was born in 1814 - but she may have just knocked a year off! ::)
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Ages were a bit of a moveable feast ;)
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Hi, I'm new to Rootschat. I found a copied birth certificate of my great-great grandfather not long ago from my dec. father's possessions and decided to search for info re my great-great grandparents, William Ellis and Fanny Thackray. Their son John, I believe, was my paternal grandmother's (Florence Margaretta[Margarita?] Ellis's) father. John married Maria Shackell, who was of Italian/English descent. They lived in Subiaco, Western Australia and I think had several children, inc Florence my grandmother. Florence married William Hayes from Woodside in South Australia and they had nine children. The name is spelled "Thackray" on the birth certificate that I have, however, I note that spelling of names does seem to be a bit changeable on old documents. I have more information on John if anyone is interested. Very pleased to chat with extended family!
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Hello - that's very interesting and makes us some degree of cousins! William Elllis and Fanny Thack(e)ray were my mother's great-grandparents through their daughter Ann Ellis. I have been unable to trace the family any further back than William and Fanny, because it wasn't clear which of several William Ellis he was. I have his death certificate, will be happy to exchange any information on the family, Can I e-mail you?
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What great news for you both -- however Evanswa will need to send 2 more messages to this Board before you can exchange Private emails on here. (3 messages are required in total before a private message can be sent or received I think.)
Good Luck to you both.
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Evanswa: I can't find any record of a son John for "our" William and Fanny Ellis. They had a son reuben who emigrated to Canada and then USA, and a William born about 1856. Is it possible that your great-great-grandfather changed his name from William Ellis to John Ellis? There's also a record on the passenger list of the Cuzco for a William Ellis, butcher, who sailed from London to Brisbane in 1890. I'd be very interested to see the birth certificate you have found.
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Soory, not Brisbane, Sydney.
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Hello, I too am researching for our pioneering forefather William Thackwray born about 1779, most likely in Yorkshire region, married to Dorothy Pownall, I have learned more about the Pownall's origins in Salford & Chesire but the Thackwray origin still is elusive ?
So we have one Thackwray-Thackeray family tree in South Africa since 1820, wanting to find a DNA link to other family trees in Yorkshire & the world to solve this ?
- research history shows the variation in spellings of this surname has occurred often
eg:- Thackwray, Thackray, Thackway, Thackeray, Thackerray, Thackuray, Thackery, Thackerey, Thackary, Thackwraye, Thackrey, Thackory, Thacerey, Thakkerey, Thackara !!!
- in fact there are family trees with diffrerent spellings between father, son & siblings,
eg:- Read & look at this family tree example to see how quickly surnames can change within family trees :- https://jon.thackray.org/family-tree/
- this surname name originated in the North of England,
- most of us will have at least one Thack???? antecedent born in Yorkshire, England !
Today we are scattered in the USA, Canada, UK, Europe, Africa, Australia, New Zealand
and we have difficulty researching our ancestors before 1800 due to these spelling variations on old hand written documents ...
Today we can easily solve the mysteries of our surname by a Y-DNA surname project, and link family branches globally and possibly prove our links to the migration of the Vikings !
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Hi! Nice to hear from you. We might well be related, and indeed DNA might help. I have had mine tested by myheritage and yes, I have about 4% Viking which I assume comes from the Yorkshire ancestors. I don't know anything about Y-DNA surname project - can you help me there?
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OK -- if either of you want to send a private message to the other and you don't know how--- just click on the other person's Username and the option will be there to send a PM.
You can exchange email addresses then if you want to do so. I wish you well with your research!
Regards June