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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northamptonshire => Topic started by: TicknerV on Wednesday 17 September 14 16:35 BST (UK)
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I have just learnt from the 1851 Census entry that John WHITWORTH (c1770/71-1855), although he mainly seemed to live in London and Bedfordshire, was actually born in Earls Barton, Northants. I recall that a number of people have researched these WHITWORTHs in Earls Barton, including Anthony Whitworth, Roger W. Whitworth and Alan Whitworth of Whitby, but no longer know how to contact these people. Can anyone help, or offer suggestions for the baptism of John?
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Haven't found the baptism -but there is a tree on An*****y which gives his parents as James Whitworth 1729-1806 and Ann Stayner 1735-1822 if this helps?
Suz
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Thank you Suz! I understood that couple to be James WHITWORTH and Ann STANYON, who were married in Earls Barton church on May 25, 1755, and who were reputedly the parents of Benjamin WHITWORTH (c1775-pre-1841), which sounds plausible, as John and Benjamin's families subsequently linked up in Bedfordshire. Can you give more precise details of the tree on Ancestry?
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apologies - Ann's surname is Stanyer (posted n and y wrong way round)
Only use tree as a guide as trees are not always correct
The tree I looked at gives John Whitworth as having 13 siblings -will list them shortly
Suz
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children of James Whitworth & Ann Stanyer (as entered on tree -need further research)
Robert 1756-1829
Ann 1757-1829
Thomas 1760-1839
Mary 1761-1844
Temperence 1765-1810
James 1767-1853
Elizabeth 1769-1833
JOHN 1871
William 1772-1849
Joseph 1774-1841
Benjamin 1775-1832
Charles 1776-1862
Elizabeth 1778-
Joseph 1779-1841
Tree doesn't really add up - 2 Josephs both died 1841??? Think that is an error??
Joseph 1774 born Earls barton
Joseph 1779 b.Dewsbury Yorks and died 1841 Earls Barton????????
Suz
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Dear Suz et al.
I am very wary of all tables on websites. Yesterday I was in the Society of Genealogists Library in London, and saw transcripts of the Earls Barton registers in the 18th century. From those, and the Will of James WHITWORTH, I extracted the following issue for James and his wife, Ann:
Robert (bpt. April 14, 1756) (died post-1806, maybe 1829)
Ann (bpt. October 9, 1757); she married John CLARKE, of Harrold, Beds, and she was still alive in 1803, but reputedly died in 1829
Thomas (bpt. July 11, 1760) (reputedly died in 1839)
Mary (bpt. December 29, 1761) (reputedly died in 1844)
Temperance (bpt. September 11, 1765); she had married Thomas KNIGHT, and was still alive in 1803, with a son, Samuel, but she reputedly died in 1810).
James (bpt. April 19, 1767) (died post 1806; maybe in 1853)
Elizabeth (bpt. July 12, 1769) (reputedly died in 1833)
John (bpt. February 19, 1771) (1770/71-1855) (supposedly)
William (bpt. November 25, 1772) (reputedly died in 1849)
Joseph (bpt. June 4, 1774) (reputedly died in 1841)
Benjamin (bpt. August 30, 1775) (appears to have died before 1841, probably in 1832)
Charles (bpt. April 25, 1777) (reputedly died in 1862)
Elizabeth (bpt. May 25, 1778)
I have also discovered that my John WHITWORTH was married again at the ripe old age of 75 in 1845, and have ordered his marriage certificate, which will hopefully confirm who his father was.
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Dear Suz et al.
I am very wary of all tables on websites. Yesterday I was in the Society of Genealogists Library in London, and saw transcripts of the Earls Barton registers in the 18th century. From those, and the Will of James WHITWORTH, I extracted the following issue for James and his wife, Ann:
Charles (bpt. April 25, 1777) (reputedly died in 1862)
I do feel the dates for children I posted are little more than a guess in parts
the Charles whose death was recorded Dec qtr 1862 Newport Pagnell was Charles West Whitworth
I have found this burial record
Charles Whitworth age 55 b.c. 1778
Burial 1 January 1833 All Saints Northampton
Suz
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Hi.
From Alan Clarke's burials
ALL SAINTS C OF E
JAN 1,1833
CHARLES WHITWORTH, GEORGE ROW, 55
APR 13,1806
CHARLES WHITWORTH, SON OF CHARLES & ELIZABETH
MAY 14,1844
ELIZABETH WHITWORTH, GEORGE ROW, 59
Sandy
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Hi again.
If John married Eliza Ann Pierce then it was at St Mary's Haggerston.
Pg. 11, No. 21
June 1 1845
John Whitworth, Full age, Widower, Wine brewer, 33 Appleby St., father (Late) James Whitworth, Weaver
Eliza Ann Pierce, Full age, Spinster, ?, 33, Appleby St., father (Late) John Pierce, Silk Manufacturer
Both signed their names.
Witnesses: James Heaps (signed his name) Mary Ann Evett signed her mark.
Sandy
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Here is John's baptism from the Northants Baptism Indexes.
Earls Barton C of E
19-Feb 1771
John WHITWORTH s James & Ann
From the Northants Marriage Indexes
Earls Barton By License
25-May 1755
James WHITWORTH, otp, single man to Ann STANYAN otp
From original Parish Record.
Page 2, No. 6
James Whitworth, Singleman, of the Parish of Earls Barton,
and Ann Stanyar, Spinster, of the same Parish
Married in the Church by Licence
25 May 1755
James signed his name Ann her mark
Witnesses: John Warren, William Whitworth
Sandy
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Dear Suz and Sandy,
Thank you both for your contributions to this discussion. I am getting frustrated by the different transcriptions of Ann's surname in this 1755 marriage, that have so far ranged from STANYON, STANYAN, and STANYER to STANGAR, so I have asked someone from Earls Barton to look at the original, and try to get a digitised image of it. The STANYON/STANNION (and many other variants) family is commonly found in Northamptonshire, but does not appear to have been very resident in Earls Barton.
John Whitworth of Turvey married Rebecca KIRBY in Warwickshire in 1845. I am still awaiting a copy of the marriage certificate.
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FreeREG has lots of Records you require;
JAMES Whitworth Baptised 08 May 1729, All Saints, Earls Barton
Parents ROBERT/ANN
Baptisms with Father ROBERT are;
ROBERT, 7 May 1713,
JOHN, 15 July 1716, likely burial 6 Dec 1716, Son of Robert Whitworth jnr
ROBERT/Ann are
ANN, 19 Dec 1717
THOMAS, 27 Sept 1719
JOHN, 10 Dec 1720
MARY, 19 May 1723
ROBERT last 1729
ANN, Wife of ROBERT Buried 4 Feb 1754
If Robert who married Ann was Robert Jnr, there is a Robert Whitworth, Yeoman buried 25 Dec 1725 who may be his Father.
Trish :)
Have found a little more but FreeREG is down busy
Baptisms of Children of JAMES/ANN are there also starting with Robert 1756 and ending with Charles 1777.
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Dear Trish,
Thanks for this! I was looking at FreeREG this morning, as the person with whom I am in correspondence in Earls Barton supplied the data for this, but the FreeREG data still does not resolve the STANYON etc. issue, and does not contain the data on the baptism of John WHITWORTH on February 19, 1771. None of us is perfect!
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Fair enough, I couldnt find Ann either of Johns Baptism there either but Seahall has it.
Possible Witness at 1755 Marriage;
WILLIAM Whitworth, Bachelor of Earls Barton married Mary GERBERT Spinsterof Stowe, 15 Feb 1755, St Michael, Stowe Nine Churches, Northamptonshire
Trish :)
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Here is Ann's name from the original parish register.
Sandy
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And now the marriage is known here are the details.
St. Nicholas Church, Warwick By Licence
Pg.113, No. 225
June 6th 1845
John Whitworth, of full age, Widower, Yeoman, of Shillington of Bedford, father James Whitworth, Yeoman to
Rebecca Kerby, of full age, Spinster, St. Nicholas, Warwick, father Benjamin, Yeoman
Both signed their names
Witnesses: Samuel Humphrifs and Alice Lee (Lea).
Sandy
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Also on Alan Northants Marriage Indexes.
Stowe IX Churches By License
15-Feb 1755
William WHITWORTH of Earls Barton to Mary HERBERT otp
Sandy
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Thank you very much Sandy for these. I must say that even with enlargement, I still find it difficult, without comparative letters, to read the last three letters of Ann's name. The Warwick marriage details at least confirm that John Whitworth's father was James Whitworth, Yeoman.
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I quite agree TicknerV about the surname spelling.
I have copies of the marriages on a dvd so when I get back later
I will see if I can find any comparison.
Sandy
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I have been looking through the marriages and the last letter is a N.
Looking at Familysearch.org https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/3M3B-NNR
as you have already said Ann's surname had many variants .
The Vicar only did a few marriages in 1754-1755 therefore they are not enough entries
for me to check I am afraid and also he would have spelt the name is he heard it.
Sandy
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I don't know if this is of interest to you but found this on a newspaper site. Dated Monday 24th June 1771.
To be sold, Two Yard Lands and Two Acres of Meadow in the Open and Common-Fields of Earls Barton, in the County of Northampton, in the Tenure of James Whitworth. Enquire of Mr George Tompson, of Northampton. N.B. An Act is passed for enclosing Barton Fields.
I have put the capital letters as the newspaper put them.
CraftyP
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Dear CarftyP thanks for this snippet, but could you say which newspaper it was? Thank you also, Sandy. Looking at the Tree that Sandy indicated, the compiler would appear to have researched this family in some depth, but seems perhaps sometimes to have compounded births and baptisms, but other times not. I wonder if he/she had access to a family bible. She/he gives a birth date of January 20, 1771 for the John Whitworth I am researching, and very interestingly associates him with the Manor in Kettering. Is there some way in which I could link directly with the compiler? He/she also gives a birth date of May 8, 1729 for James Whitworth, when we have a baptismal date for him of May 18, 1729, his parents given as Robert Whitworth (d.1761) and Ann (nee Manning) (d.1754), who were reputedly married in Preston Deanery on May 8, 1711. Where is Preston Deanery, and its records? I find no record of Ann STANYAN (and variants) in Earls Barton around 1735, or at any other time there in the 18th century!!
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Hi again.
The Northants Baptism Index has this for James.
Earls Barton C of E
08-May 1729
James WHITWORTH s of Robert & Ann
Sandy
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The Northampton Mercury. Is a Charlotte Whitworth of Turvey married to a John Whitworth connected to you? If so there are a couple of snippets in the Bedfordshire Times and Independent also. One is the obituary 1905 of Charlotte 85 widow of the late John Whitworth where amongst the people attending the funeral at Turvey are Miss A Whitworth, Mr John Whitworth, miss F Whitworth, Mr G B Whitworth, Mr R Whitworth Junior, and Mr R Whitworth Senior.
The other is where Charlotte Whitworth's mare was killed on Mount Peasant farm in 1870.
Although another newspaper article in 1906 mentions John Whitworth was of Grove farm (His daughter presented two brass vases on the communion table in memory of her mother). I am probably confusing you so It is best if you read them yourself.
I can copy and paste to send you them if you wish.
Crafty P
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Preston Deanery is between Quinton and Hackleton, it's Church is no longer
used, but it is a beautiful little one.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01a5b/
Sandy
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Thank you Sandy and Crafty P for your further contributions. I think I would like to see the originals for May 1729 of the Earls Barton baptisms to confirm the baptism date of James Whitworth. Can Sandy get an image of it, as with the 1755 marriage entry? Regarding the Whitworths in Turvey, the son, John WHITWORTH (1805-1864), who married his cousin, Charlotte WHITWORTH (1820-1905), was the brother of my daughter's ancestor, Ann COOK (nee WHITWORTH) (1798-1874/75). I would appreciate images of the 2 other newspaper articles that you cite, as I wonder if any of the COOK family attended her funeral in 1905. The name of the farm was "Mount Pleasant" Farm, so it my have a typo!
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I have put an attachment on. Will you please let me know if it has worked as I have never put an attachment on Rootschat before and have got in a bit of mess. This is Charlottes death, Bedfordshire Times and Independent Friday 24th November 1905 A Mrs Cook is mentioned. If it has worked I will send you the others.
CraftyP
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It appears to have worked so sending you the others apart from the killing of a mare as the file is to big 572kb. If you still want it you will have to send me your email. Charlottes daughters presentation is from the Bedfordshire Times and Independent Friday 5th October 1906. James Whitworth is from the Northampton Mercury Monday 24th June 1771.
CraftyP
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Over the issue of Anne STANYER, it would appear that she was the Anne STANYARN, baptised in Rothwell on August 19, 1736, daughter of Joseph and Anne STANYARN. On April 20, 1735, a Mr. Joseph STANYARN of Rothwell had married Mrs. Ann WHITWORTH of Earls Barton, by licence, in Earls Barton. The marriage licence was issued on April 19, 1735 for Joseph STANYARN of Rothwell, Bachelor, to marry Ann WHITWORTH of Earls Barton, Spinster. Joseph died in 1751, and it appears that his widower moved back to Earls Barton with her daughters. In All Saints church, Earls Barton there is the following memorial: "Anne, wife of Mr Joseph Stanyarn died October 7, 1780 in 81st year". This suggests that Anne STANYARN (nee WHITWORTH) was born about 1698/99, probably in Earls Barton. She would appear to have been the Ann WHITWORTH, baptised in Earls Barton on May 20, 1700, daughter of William WHITWORTH and his wife, Mary. Does anyone have anything on this William and Mary?
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Dos anyone know if this is the same WHITWORTH family of Northampton who invested in coal in South Wales in Victorian times?