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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: JimPeterson on Monday 08 September 14 20:19 BST (UK)
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My gggGreat Grandfather Michael C Boyce was born Aug 11 1833 in New Brunswick..
He married a woman named Ellen Hanley who was born in Ireland 1832
They immigrated to Minnesota around 1850..
The only record I have for that time frame is a baptism record for Michael Boyce
from St patricks church of nelson northumberland
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Just jotting down some things...I take it you haven't the marriage to Elllen/Helen? or if you do it has no parents?
You may have this info but for noting for others and myself...
His U.S. Army enlistment 1855/ 10th infantry H - where he was a cooper in Portland Maine, says he was born 1834 St. John's New Brunswick
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-26470-53195-36?cc=1880762
In 1900 he says month of May...If you are going by the death info it actually says August 4th 1833
...death info is only as accurate as what the person declaring information knows...
in 1875 he says parents are born N.B. but some later census say Ireland
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12423-59383-6?cc=1503053
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It appears there was also a another Boyce in the 10th, one who died from injuries in battle, as a Sergeant and a lieutenant are spoken of as injured in battles...
http://www.history.army.mil/books/R&H/R&H-10IN.htm
Did you see this marriage of a Michael C. Boyce in Portland Maine March 1863 to a Mary A O Kain ( O Kane ) but there are no parents listed...
But then a Mary A Boyce claims a widow's pension in 1868...so must be a different fellow
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-24150-27654-72?cc=1919699
There is one born 1817, doesn't say where, buried Maine...wonder if he was related?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-26299-21994-96?cc=1985567
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I finally found the lad you mentioned as Boyse in 1851 N.B. says age 7 though not age 17 ... although it could have been an entry error. This lad is a servant with an Ann...compelling... as the household head is a farmer/ lumberer...
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/censusnb51/SplitView.jsp?id=2906
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This is the Baptism record for Michael..It list the Parents as
Patrick Boyce and catherine O'Hearn..
In another family record there is a Patrick Boyce of Blackville NB
married to a Catherine Halloran and children
1. Bridget BOYCE b: 9 OCT 1826 in Blissfield, Northumberland, NB
2. Elizabeth BOYCE
3. Catherine BOYCE
4. Michael BOYCE
5. Ann BOYCE
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Great census find J.J.!
The image has Michael's age as 17, although it is badly written.
I think the head of household might be Michael's brother-in-law.
PB
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Yes you're so right polarbear, here is the death of son Thomas, mother Bridget
The Boyce children appear to be orphaned as well, as I see no adult Boyce in 1851 Northumberland...
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XG87-34V
and UGH what a horrible 17 as the person tended to drop the front of each seven as it was...
But you are correct, P.B. a super close look convinced these poor eyes!!!
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a rellie for you...someone related to Bridget, has found that Patrick died intestate...1849
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=wdromanski&id=I35214
I am finding it difficult to find more family...so far have found the surname as Boise, Boyce, Boyse, BoyesBoice,
I think an R. catholic baptism for Catherine is as Catherine Boise ...Perhaps Anne as well, and there may also be a james???
The marriage may be in here, but who knows if they married Northumberland
Just in case this may be a brother for Catherine... a Michael O'Hearn marries a Mary Carrol
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-27454-54356-33?cc=2001063&wc=M6P5-Z2Q:284541001,284541701
A thomas Boise and Mary ann Mc Bean married Northumberland
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-27454-51871-0?cc=2001063&wc=M6P5-Z2Q:284541001,284541701
Anything in the Drouin marriages?
Wow, are Michael & Mary O'Hearn also passed away? One living with and uncle, the others out on their own..no sign of parents
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/censusnb51/SplitView.jsp?id=3341
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/censusnb51/SplitView.jsp?id=3351
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Thank you so much for the information and records you have shared..I have been trying to trace
the Boyce Family from Ireland to Canada and the US for years..
The other side of the Boyce family can be found in Quebec..St Elzear,St Sylvestre and surrounding areas..close to 2000 Boyce's in all
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I am not sure why you would share information you already had on an Ireland query but not on here?http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=696456.msg5400092
Before searching in Ireland you should have have all information up to date over here...Is there more which you knew but have not shared?
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The Information I had to begin with included the wrong Michael Boyce..
I am waiting for his death record I ordered to find out if there are any parents listed on the record
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While doing research on my family tree for Michael Boyce..I came across some files that are confusing...
Michael Boyce b 1833 in Ireland married to Catherine Boyce
Michael Boyce b 1835 in Canada married to mary Sullivan
Michael Boyce b 1833 in Canada married to Hellen (Ellen)
Michael Boyce b 1833 in Ireland married to Mary Gould
Parents vary from Henry Joseph Boyce and Mary McMonigal
to Patrick Boyce and Alice Hanes
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So..Patrick Boyce and Catherine O'hearn are not the parents of Michael C Boyce ?
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Please reread this thread through thoroughly and add any pertinent information you may have that has not been added, then ask more questions pertaining to what had been found thus far.
For instance, you have a baptism for Michael...Do you have any other baptisms for siblings?
Don't bother adding your notes such as in reply #11 , as only the one married to Ellen is the one we seek.
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What you dont understand is that I didnt have much information to go on..
All I have for certain is the Census information on Michael C Boyce from Minnesota
from 1865-1905..
He is born in New brunswick 1833 Married to Ellen Hanley(dont know if in minnesota
or new brunswick)
He and Ellen had the following children
Joseph Boyce
1863 – 1912
John Boyce
1865 –
James Boyce
1867 –
Mary Boyce
1869 –
Charles Boyce
1871 –
Frank Boyce
1874 – 1928
Ida M Boyce
1879 – 1952
Ellen Boyce died in 1907 and michael died in 1913
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Well you now have the details of enlistment in 1855 which shows that he was already in the U.S. working as a cooper in Portland Maine...Fort Snelling would have positioned him at Hennepin Minn at one time or another...
Helen/Ellen Hanley says she was born May 1836 to 1840 Ireland..
There is an Ellen Hanly, servant born 1836 ireland, Saint Anthony, Hennepin, Minnesota in 1857
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-9835-31142-10?cc=1503055
There was a sawmill near the St. Anthony Falls....just a thought, I tend to post what I find, these days, rather than have a pile of notes...
There are several Hanley from Ireland, in earlier census of Hennepin including a few in Saint Anthony
http://www.rootschat.com/links/019z6/
I imagine you've tried to get some R.C. parish baptisms of their children if any exist?...Have you also written the parish to see if they have a marriage?
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This is michael's Draft notice 1863 in Minnesota..to my knowledge he was never in Maine
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By the way..the parish wants me to send them $30 bucks just to check the records for a marriage
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And today I finally got a copy of Michael's death record..It lists both parents being from Ireland by no names listed
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Well Polarbear was going to post more about me having the wrong fellow 1855, apologise for that. ..Oh well...At least this way we get you to post more of what you know...
and sorry that the death info didn't have more information for you...
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Oh boy, just lost my post to the ethernet. Will try again.
Michael C Boyce, Cooper, and the Army....
It looks like the Michael C Boyce who enlisted in 1855 was discharged in 1857 because he was a minor, so he must have lied about his age to join up. This same man then enlisted again in 1858, this time at Boston if I remember correctly. Both times he gave his birthplace as St John New Brunswick which would be a fair way from Nelson Parish in northern NB. So it doesn't appear that this Michael is the same man as Minnesota Michael.
In the 1905 Minnesota census Michael indicates that he has been in the enumeration district for the preceding 50 years which would place him there since about 1855.
Baptisms of the siblings....
-Bridget Boyce b. 09 Oct 1826 bapt. 28 Jan 1827. Of lawful marriage of Patrick Boyce and Catharine Hallaran
-Eliza (as written) Boyce bapt. 17 May 1829 age 2 months. Parents Patrick Boyce and Catharine OHallaran
-Catharine Boyce bapt. 18 Jun 1831 age 4 weeks. Parents Patrick Boyce and Catharine Holaran
-Michael Boyce bapt. 28 Aug 1833 age 2 weeks. This is quite close to the birth date posted by JimPeterson and the familysearch transcript has a birthdate of 04 Aug, also close. It is really too bad that the death record didn't name the parents. Perhaps a marrige record might if you choose to go that route.
I didn't see a baptism for Ann but we do have her with Michael and Bridget in the 1852 census. Bridget married James Moran in 1847.
A variety of last names for the mother for sure. Parish records from that time tend to have names spelled as they are heard by the priest. And different priests may hear things differently. At least Boyce is consistent.
The question now is whether these parents belong to Minnesota Michael. Tough call. We don't know if all NB records are on line and so there could be another family somewhere. On the other hand, the closeness of the various quoted birthdates is quite compelling.
What would I do if I were in your shoes? I would try to get a marriage cert when circumstances permitted. You have an approximate time frame with the birth of their first child Joseph. No guarantees that your money will find what you want, of course, but would be money well spent if you get a record with parents.
PB
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Thanks Polarbear for pointing out my error! also to not lose my long entries I now type in word then copy and paste...When the site is busy it often does that to an entry!
JIM You can also go thoroughly through the marriages I gave you for Northumberland to look for the marriage of Patrick before 1826....It is free to do that search...
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Currently I have put in an inquiry to the New Brunswick Historical society (Kathy Wilson) and also one with the Archdioceses of St John.
As far as Michael Boyce and Ellen Hanley Marriage in Minnesota..that is pretty tough to nail down
Hennepin County Mn does not have one..and St Anthony actually borders on Hennepin/Anoka/and Ramsey counties..and the search range is anywhere from 1857 (Ellen Hanley census of St Anthony)
and 1863 which is the year of Joseph Boyce's Birth
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As Polarbear pointed out your lad was not the one from St. John....
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Yes I know this..but St John's is where all the records are archived
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That's what I have been told anyway
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Here is something that may interest you, deed registry with a Patrick Bois as the Grantor ...as you can see Lot #2 Blackville is mentioned twice... also a Sanford and a Thomas ( Ludlow), and an Angus elsewhere in Northumberland
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11776-129958-25?cc=1392378&wc=M696-KMS:13843201,16722801,19170201
here it does say Boyce, and later looks to say Boyse... :)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11898-36775-39?cc=1392378&wc=M69D-468:13843201,13841702,16202901
Too much flourish for me to read properly...but yes N"orthern Side of Bartholomew River" known as the front part of the lot number two...and also a marked black birch ;D awe, neat...
I note it is supposed to be signed by Patrick, :P but it is the same handwriting as the ledger....
For Catherine it does say an X is her mark...
You can look for the other volumes by hitting the blue link to the upper left, then Northumberland, etc...
Bridget Moran's death says she was born Bartholomew River
http://archives.gnb.ca/Search/VISSE/141C4.aspx?culture=en-CA&guid=78a62ff1-5ceb-468e-9ca5-0156e5df66c7
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The above were under grantor, here he is as grantee, Patrick Bois in 1829 (actually starts on page 322)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11854-103159-70?cc=1392378&wc=M698-TWP:13843201,13841702,15105301
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also PanB has this but I see no such entry? http://archives.gnb.ca/Search/RS686/Details.aspx?culture=en-CA&Key=12795
BOIS, Patrick- Volume 25 p.261 Grant #2529 Blackville Northumberland /Oct 29, 1840 Accompanying plan:Yes Acres:100 Microfilm:F16326
Here is a land record in case it isn't one recorded earlier
2nd instalment on 100 acres, Bartholomew River, for Patrick Bois
http://books.google.ca/books?id=u7INAAAAQAAJ&pg=PR157
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Who knows if related... :-\ In Nelson where the R.C. church was located...
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/censusnb51/SurnameSearch.jsp?sdid=50&surname=Holleran
A John & James Halloran https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11776-128050-84?cc=1392378&wc=M696-KMS:13843201,16722801,19170201
A John Holloran likely same fellow https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11776-128904-51?cc=1392378&wc=M696-KMS:13843201,16722801,19170201
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Wow J.J I cant thank you enough for all this wonderful information !!
So By all accounts I can say that Michaels Father is Patrick and the Mother
is Catherine Halloran..
Now I get a few months to track down the Ireland Records for Patrick
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Another interesting find on the deeds page..dont know if it means anything but listed at the bottom of the Page with the Hallorans is a Catherine Hanley..Michaels wifes maiden name is Hanley..
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re: your certainty... well hopefully he's the correct one? There were other Michaels whose births we may never find....That one was lucky as it was R.C. / proceed at your own risk ( see my little quote at the bottom of my replies...)
re: wandering into Ireland...
Without parent's names- the Parish they came from?? ?? Without early census we don't even have ages for Patrick & Catherine...
Re: Hanley I noted there were some as well, although it is a common name...It would not have been impossible for the lad to return for a visit and meet & marry a gal...but you'll need to find the marriage to prove it...
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Here is a map of Blackvile you can download where you can see all the names you'll see in the various grants....McGlaggan, Sutton, Street.... John McLaughland (which might be the proper spelling of the name ) now owns the 100 acres.....perhaps a son of Alexander "McLaggan" from the 1845 deed??
Alex appears to own a great deal of property along the river. He was a lumber merchant and part owner of the saw mill......and I'd say from the long list below, quite a land speculator. ( shows 22 records, and that is just for the one spelling!!! :P)
Hit land records...http://www.rootschat.com/links/01a08/
Map http://archives.gnb.ca/exhibits/communities/Details.aspx?culture=en-CA&community=349
The 1851 shows he has eight servants...
also shows a John who was Irish....so not related to Alexander... http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/censusnb51/SplitView.jsp?id=2816
I now see where you got Aug 11th birthdate for Michael's birth date... from the newspaper clipping you had posted in Ireland, regarding his death...http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=696456.0
A background of the area... http://www.memoriesofblackville.com/history
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Good news to report..It is confirmed
the father of Michael Boyce is Patrick.
and with new information provided by a cousin
Patrick is from Co Cork in Ireland..
So now starts another round of search search and search
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Make sure you ask where confirmation came from before going on... Best of luck with your searches...J.J.
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Oops my mistake..he was born in Co Clare not Cork