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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: maz591 on Friday 05 September 14 02:02 BST (UK)
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I have hit a brickwall. I am looking for any information on the DOYLE family of Avoca, Wicklow.
The information I have from a rootsireland.ie search is that Matthew and Mary DOYLE had
Elizabeth 1838
Margaret 1840
James 1843
Letitia 1846
Catherine 1849
There are two other children that I cannot find a baptism listing for
Mary Ann 1837 (my Great Great grandmother)
Eleanor 1852
I am also unable to find and marriage entry for Matthew DOYLE and Mary MCEWAN.
The records I most want to find are proving to be the ones I can’t find. Mary Ann’s baptism and the marriage of her parents
Further information:
I have Victorian (Australia) death and marriage records for Mary Ann, Elizabeth, and Margaret that mention the birthplace for Wicklow, Avoca and parents Matthew Doyle and Mary MCKEON / MCEWAN . The others appear on a passenger list arriving in South Australia in 1858 saying they came for Wicklow.
The MCEWAN name is only connected to the three oldest girls as they married and died in Victoria which has more information on its BMD Certificates. I am only assuming they the same Matthew and Mary Doyle as the birthplace is the same for all the children I have found and all have connections to South Australia, but did not arrive together.
I live in Australia and am mostly interested in any Irish information that can be found.
Marion
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Avoca has very good records on the rootsireland site so it's very possible that Mary's surname was just been mistranscribed on the missing records OR they were illegible given their age.
Were you ever made aware of Matthew Doyle's profession ?
Tara
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Seemingly Avoca used to be known as Newbridge (NB NOT to be confused with the Newbridge in County Kildare).
Avoca is NOT showing up on GV SO I'm wondering was it still known as Newbridge at the time of the GV (help from Wicklow experts appreciated here).
Anyway,
Newbridge Wicklow DOES show up on GV
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/wicklow/castlemacadam.htm
There is a Matthew Doyle in Ballymoneen, Cronebane, Knockanree Lower & Kilmacoo Upper
This could be three different men OR the one man with land in each area.
PLEASE NOTE at this stage I'm not saying that this IS your Matthew JUST a possibility.
I know that there is a Ballymoneen in Avoca, there is a Cronebane in Avoca, there is a Knockanree in Avoca, and there is a Kilmacoo in Avoca SO to surmise the above GV is defo for the Avoca region.
By any chance were any of the above townlands mentioned in your family OR in records ?
Tara
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I'm attaching a google map to show these townlands in relation to each other !
https://www.google.ie/maps/dir/Avoca,+Co.+Wicklow/Ballymoneen,+Co.+Wicklow/Cronebane,+Co.+Wicklow/Kilmacoo+Upper,+Co.+Wicklow/Knockanree+Lower,+Co.+Wicklow/@52.8720182,-6.2500339,13z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m32!4m31!1m5!1m1!1s0x4867c0f6e26eaf6b:0xa00c7a99731c620!2m2!1d-6.216667!2d52.85!1m5!1m1!1s0x4867c03e839c6ae9:0xa6e98994c39b897e!2m2!1d-6.246847!2d52.8562387!1m5!1m1!1s0x4867bf7dcd00f185:0x269209c70b0ccf5c!2m2!1d-6.2132699!2d52.8864192!1m5!1m1!1s0x4867bf6019fbd341:0x944293ebcd448623!2m2!1d-6.1928141!2d52.8849233!1m5!1m1!1s0x4867c0f37d28c591:0x2600c7a7bb557dd2!2m2!1d-6.2018879!2d52.8641935!3e0
Tara
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TOTAL long shot here but the age makes him a possibility if nothing else !
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Cronebane/Kilmacoo/1815174/
Tara
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Date of births are prior to Civil Registration 1864, if possible find out parish name and then find adjoining parishes for baptisms
familysearch.org is worth trying out also
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Tara,
To try and answer your questions. I have searched rootsireland for the marriage searching the entire county of Wicklow with several spelling variations and get nothing that seems to be a possibility. The closest matching result was actually 10 years too late.
Regarding Matthews profession, he is listed as a Contractor in 1859 on the Wedding certificate of Mary Ann. On her death certificate in 1906 he is described as a Labourer. On Elizabeth’s and Margaret’s death certificates in 1890 and 1918 Matthew is listed as a Miner.
We have no family stories from this time to connect to another place, just what I may find while researching.
Thanks for the census suggestion. I am going to discount it at this time as his daughter in the census is a named Kate born c1863 and a rootsireland search does not work for a mother named Mary.
Marion
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Hi Marion
1. Yes, the census was a LONG shot :)
2. The occupations that you gave for Matthew certainly fit in with the Avoca area as there were copper mines there, so most likely that was where he worked.
3. Given the nature of the mining industry here at the time though it's VERY possible that Matthew was transient for work which means his marriage could have taken in another parish OR another county ( not all areas are covered on rootsireland)
4. Was there ever any suggestion that Matthew and Mary may also have emmigrated ?
5. For now I would just concentrate on the three girls whom you know for a fact had Mary McEwan (and variants) as their Mum ~ Doyle is WAY too common an Irish surname to presume that the other's were family too, don't discard them but as I say just concentrate on those that you are 100% sure of.
6. Can you tell me EXACTLY what variations of Matthew's wife Mary's maiden name that you have seen on AUSTRALIAN paperwork ?!
Tara
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Some good news for you :
I think I have found Matthew's marriage
On rootsireland there is a marriage for a MATT DOYLE & MARY MCKEOAGH
In 1835 in Avoca Wicklow
As you have used this site before I am sure that you are aware that you will only get a transcription of the church marriage record.
It will be random as to what other info other than the basics will be on it !
Tara
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The occupation I gave also match the area were a Matthew and Mary DOYLE settled in South Australia (Wallaroo) which shortly after they arrived discovered copper.
I have concentrated solely on the three girls I know about but I keep being drawn to South Australia. Mary Ann DOYLE wrote a memorium in the newspaper 5 years after her death which was to be copied to the newspaper in Adelaide, but at this time all her know family were in Victoria not South Australia, so I have assumed she must have other family there that I don’t know about. The passenger list of the General Hewitt in 1858 indicates the family came from Wicklow and rootsireland has the chlidren’s baptisms in Avoca , the same place I have on the BMD certificates I have for the older girls. Margaret Doyle first marriage also occurred in Adelaide, South Australia.
More coincidences without proof it’s getting frustrating.
I have attached partial copies of the BMD certificates I have the show the parents names (Matthew and Mary) however Death certificate information depends solely on the informant knowing the correct information. Also, Mary Ann spelled her name as DOILE on her Marriage certificate, Ihve not seen this spelling used anywhere else during my research.
The MATT DOYLE & MARY MCKEOAGH marriage you mentioned sounds very promising. I will need further information to confirm it is the correct one though and rootsireland could get very expensive
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Gosh each of those maiden names for Mary are illegible (or is that just how they are showing up on this forum ).
I'm not sure what you know of Irish records but our civil registration only began in 1864 so prior to that you are looking for church records ~ this pretty much leaves you with just rootsireland as the only real option.
rootsireland is a great site BUT you need to know how to use it properly.
When / If you know an EXACT parish that your family came from you are best of to first check if records from the period you are researching even exist.
IF they do exist then you should do your searches through that exact parish (rootsireland have this option).
Also, use the surname variations sheets that rootsireland have.
For example with Mary there are a LOT of variations for her surname on rootsireland's spreadsheet so what I tend to do is on a seperate piece of paper, write all the viable options down, and then go in and do my searches that way.
So, just to sum up, I think the marriage that I sent you is a very good possibility BUT with the little bit of information you have to go on it will be near on impossible to ever be 100% sure.
I'm afraid that's the nature of looking for nearly 200 year old Irish records :(
Tara
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What part of Australia did Mary Anne settle in ?
Tara
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Thanks for all your help and suggestions Tara. I had tried some name variations but there seem to be be lot more than I though, I will keep searching. My dream at the moment is to go to Ireland and check the Avoca registers myself for more details but unfortunately that is not happening any time soon.
Mary Ann eventually settled in Cranbourne, Victoria. She is buried in the local cemtery there. Margaret and Elizabeth settled in the suburbs around Melbourne and are buried at the Melbourne General Cemetery.
Marion