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Edmund Wear was my great x2 grandad.He died in 1876 in Huddersfield.I would like to know where he was buried,as far as I can see he wasn't buried in Huddersfield so could it possibly in Birstall where he was born?Any ideas?
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Hi
If he was in Huddersfield at the date given all the church graveyards were full so he would more then like have been buried at Edgerton Cemetery, Huddersfield.
John
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Birstall had its own big cemetery opposite the church St Peter's and also St Paul's church at Birkenshaw has a massive churchyard. (Most Likely->) Christchurch church & Liversedge Spenborough Cemetery
http://www.cwgc.org/find-a-cemetery/cemetery/2041334/Spenborough%20(Liversedge)%20Cemetery
also Birstall could use Cottingley Hall Gildersome Cemetery (Leeds) or Morley Cemetery
Kirklees & Leeds councils cemeteries depts (Google them )( about £30 to £50 for a search of their records -could cost more if your are from another country as postage)
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I'm still looking for Edmund's grave,I know where he "isn't".He isn't in Birstall or Edgerton.He died at the end of August and there was an obituary in the Yorkshire Post but no burial details.He died at Beaumont St but his wife,Eliza and 2 sons,Tom and John were living in Mirfield however I've been told he's not buried there.I can only think that hes buried in a church graveyard some where,but where?
Any help ideas appreciated as I've been searching for a long time. Thanks
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Sorry I said the Yorkshire post but now I think it was a Huddersfield paper.
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Hi
I have indexed Roberttown & Battyeford and he is not in them.
The other main possibilities would be Huddersfield Woodhouse Christ Church, Bradley Saint Thomas's or Deighton New Connexion but I cannot remember the dates for that it could be too early.
John
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Have you checked if he is buried with his parents ?
Dave
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Thank you for replying. I tried Woodhouse as that's where his 2 sons,John and Tom,were baptized but he isn't there.His father,Timothy,is buried in Rochdale.He went there after his wife,Hanna,died.He remarried but he died a year later. I don't know where Hannah,nee Booth,is buried,that might be worth finding.I have a note about Hannah,she died in 1839,it says Bradford but don't know if that's correct.
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It's 2 years since I posted about my great x2 grandad,Edmund Wear who died in August 1876 in Huddersfield. I've tried everywhere for his burial place without success.He's got to be somewhere,help please
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Hi
Members have tried to help find Edmund's burial place in the past in all the local known free records at libraries and archives for Huddersfield but unfortunately to no avail. My own thoughts are Edmund is buried in a cemetery in the Kirklees council area, most likely Edgerton Cemetery but some how was not recorded on the copy burial records held at Huddersfield library but the Kirklees councils have records are more detailed and they can cross ref their records, as the they have actual grave record of each person with a number detailing who is in each grave, rather than individual burial records by date of each burial and these records are not available to the public at the library. The only way to find out is to phone the Kirklees cemeteries records department held at Huddersfield Fixby crematorium and tell the crematorium switchboard telephone operator you want the cemeteries department. There is normally a charge for this service but if you want to find out either to find Edmund's burial place or even to eliminate the fact he is not buried Kirklees cemeteries the cost maybe be of value for money to find out once and for all either way.
Hope my advice helps you. :)
http://communitydirectory.kirklees.gov.uk/communityDirectory/organisationdetails.aspx?orgid=1154
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Hi
Dob you are right, it could be he was interred in a public grave and his record missed off the burial register but it could be in the grave register.
As a Longshot he could be in Salendine Nook Baptist I have never seen any of their registers, thet are still with the chapel.
John
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Hi
Dob you are right, it could be he was interred in a public grave and his record missed off the burial register but it could be in the grave register.
As a Longshot he could be in Salendine Nook Baptist I have never seen any of their registers, thet are still with the chapel.
John
Hi John
All known religious family entry events of Edmund's family are coming up Anglican C of E, his residence off Bradford road on Beaumont Street and being C of E suggests Edgerton cemetery but one never knows as Sally nook cem, also Quaker burial ground at High Flatts could be put in the equation but all very doubtful though as no indication record of him being nonconformist -as said Edgerton Cem seems the only fit based on all known religious belief facts of Edmund
Dave :)
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Thank you very much for going to so much trouble.I will get in touch with Kirklees and see if I find him. I'll let you know.
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I contacted Edgeton Cemetery and they searched for him in both conformist and non conformist,he's definately not there,they said to try church graveyards,but where do I start?
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Only thing I can think of now as a possibility as a scenario to put forward ?, is maybe one of Edmund's children or his brother or sister married a Quaker, if this Quaker had influence in the family of Edmund's affairs in Edmund's life to be able to authorise or arrange his (Edmund) funeral, that Quaker could have arranged for Edmund to be buried in a Quaker burial ground as Edmund being a none practicing Quaker of the Wear family.
It seems from what I've read ???, a 'practicing Quaker's' In Laws through marriage, of other beliefs in religion have a automatic right to be buried in a Quakers burial ground by association to a Quaker member. The none practicing Quaker of other religion denominations, could be, mother or father, or sibling brother or sister of the Quaker or mother and father In Law, brother or sister In Law or the children of any aforesaid.
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Sandyjose
Edmund's brother Booth WARE died 1860 buried 22 May 1860 aged 38 years. He is buried at Edgerton Cemetery, Huddersfield. Church Denomination - Anglican.
His other brother John is buried at Elland St Mary's, have you tried here ?
Lynn
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I'm still searching for Edmund Wear and no further on.I wondered if,as his death notice was put in the newspaper,could it be that his funeral arrangements were also in the paper at a later date? I don't have access to newspapers but maybe someone does.Maybe someone has already looked.It was just a thought.
What does anyone think?
Sandyjose
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Only thing I can think of now as a possibility as a scenario to put forward ?, is maybe one of Edmund's children or his brother or sister married a Quaker, if this Quaker had influence in the family of Edmund's affairs in Edmund's life to be able to authorise or arrange his (Edmund) funeral, that Quaker could have arranged for Edmund to be buried in a Quaker burial ground as Edmund being a none practicing Quaker of the Wear family.
It seems from what I've read ???, a 'practicing Quaker's' In Laws through marriage, of other beliefs in religion have a automatic right to be buried in a Quakers burial ground by association to a Quaker member. The none practicing Quaker of other religion denominations, could be, mother or father, or sibling brother or sister of the Quaker or mother and father In Law, brother or sister In Law or the children of any aforesaid.
The Snake Hill site was sold in the 1880s. It is not clear if the original graves remain on this site or if they have been cleared to make way for development.
Documents associated with the Brighouse Preparative Meeting are held at the University of Leeds Special Collections.
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2613395
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Hello Sandyjose
Are they the couple in 1861 at RG 9/3266 Fol. 54 Page 13 at Fartown, Huddersfield?
Bradford Road,
Edmond Wear / Edmund Wear, H, Marr, 29, Carter, Birthplace Halifax
Eliza Wear, Wife, Marr, 35, Doncaster
2 Sons.
A search - Fartown Nonconformist - returns significant Nonconformism ...
Huddersfield Exposed
Category: Churches and places of worship
"Purple represents Anglican places of worship, green shows Baptist places of worship, red indicates Wesleyan/Methodist places of worship, and orange represents other places of worship (e.g. Independent, Quaker, Roman Catholic, Swedenborgian, Unitarian, etc) or mortuary chapels."
https://huddersfield.exposed/wiki/Category:Churches_and_places_of_worship
Some Nonconformist (NC) Burials not online are with Chapels their HQ, Land/Building owners, Record Offices, Universities and elsewhere.
Also in Yorkshire about 6 General Cemetery Company cemeteries, first starting about the 1830s.
Many C of E Churchyards were closed from circa 1850s, so Local Burial Boards (some later became Council Cemeteries ) also began in Great Britain.
Marriage Amended
Suggestion online the 1855 WEAR = SHAW Marriage was at a Registry Office and might suggest one or both were not C of E.
Mark
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Thanks for your help I will investigate your suggestions ans let you know what I find
Sandyjose
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Edmund Wear died July 1876 in Beaumont Street, Hillhouse. Huddersfield. in 1870 St Andrew's Church was built 6 years before Edmund Wear's death 1876 on Leeds road and the end of St Andrew's road Hillhouse Huddersfield.
Beaumont Street is less than a 1/4 mile from St Andrew's church but whether the church had a graveyard is hard to say as there was enough room around the church for a small burial ground
Found a youtube video of ST Andrew's in link
On the time scale numbers at the bottom of screen reading 3.32/14.41 you see what maybe flatstones through the grass near the church entrance with maybe MI's epitaphs, in the grass by a fence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBm544-tn-I
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An Edwin Ward, aged 43, labourer of Bradford Road was buried in the consecrated section of Edgerton Cemetery on 2 August 1876.
I cannot find an Edwin Ward living in Huddersfield, nor is there a death recorded of an Edwin Ward in Huddersfield in 1876.
Edmund Wear died on 30 July 1876 so this could possibly be his burial?
Sandra
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Hi Sandra
First there are two dates for Edmund's death posted by Sandyjose- one on Rootschat 30 July 1876
and same poster I think on another website 30 August 1876
Sandyjose has a lot of threads on the net -my source of Edmund's info
Having said that a lot your info fits
His age born 1833-died 1876 = aged 43
1861 census says he lived Bradford road in Far-town district
1871 census say he lived in York street (York street use to be adjacent Fitzwilliam street next to Union street just off Bradford road)
He died on Beaumont street on his death certificate 1876 but Beaumont street in them years 1870's run off Bradford road under the viaduct by the old bus depot
Also the fact you can't find Edwin's death 1876
Certainly needs a look at
;)
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Unfortunately if Edmund's burial was recorded incorrectly there will be no proof that this is him.
Edmund's death was announced in the Huddersfield Examiner on 5 August 1876 giving his death as 30th ult., ie 30 July.
The Huddersfield Examiner of 22 Aug 1872 has a report of the prosecution of Edmund Ware, labourer, Bradford Road, in the employ of Messrs. Bentley and Shaw, brewers, of Lockwood.
Edwin Ward is buried in a common grave so there will not be a headstone.
Sandra
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If Sandyjose contacts Huddersfield Bereavement Services again they should have further details of the burials in the grave which just may have a different name for Edwin Ward.
The grave is in the consecrated Section 20, grave 153
Sandra
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There is another possibility - the address on the death certificate is place at time of death & and not always the deceased home address and apart from a hospital address. Beaumont Street - the address of a person at the death of Edmund could be a son or daughter or anyone caring for - was at the death of Edmund.
My brother died before I was born age 7 (Fell in a canal lock 1947 ) and his death is not in the GRO index but was in the local register office records - so Edwin' death record maybe the same
So there is no way to prove the name was wrong at burial as you say -hard to prove ::) but a record on here for ancestry researchers of the future -so still worth a posting the possibility Sandra ;)
Dave
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If Sandyjose contacts Huddersfield Bereavement Services again they should have further details of the burials in the grave which just may have a different name for Edwin Ward.
The grave is in the consecrated Section 20, grave 153
Sandra
I think located in Huddersfield (Kirklees MC) local studies library have copies of all Edgerton cemetery burials
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The Bereavement service has grave records too which record who is in each grave and usually give a bit more information about the deceased.
Sandra
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Hi again,
If I remember right the Edgerton records of grave burials give the address to the deceased then compare that address in the ( if they go back that far) electoral records register to see if Edwin Ward lived there or if it was Edmund Wear (Weare or Ware)~~~~ ???
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If Sandyjose contacts Huddersfield Bereavement Services again they should have further details of the burials in the grave which just may have a different name for Edwin Ward.
The grave is in the consecrated Section 20, grave 153
Sandra
Sandyjose has not been active on Rootschat since September 2020 :-\ - so it many be a waste of time researching further with this Sandra ???
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Well it’s there in case anybody needs it. We’ve done our best :)
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Link is Edwin Ward burial entry in Edgerton Cemetery Huddersfirld 2nd August 1876
then try this link in the Book page 398 entry 7572 Edwin Ward --(Ignore Sarah Hampson on right)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G96B-ZHGT?view=index&action=view
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L96B-ZCZ5?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3ACF5Z-BPMM&action=view
There is no Electoral Register 1876
https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Electoral_Registers_Since_1832_and_Burge/tIyK0GTIZ9EC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=huddersfield+electoral+register+1876&pg=PA48&printsec=frontcover
Are well !! just for the heck of it ;D may as well try and see if Edwin did or did not live in Bradford road 1875
or if Edmund lived either Beaumont street or Bradford road in 1875
There is a Electoral Register/burgess poll book for 1875 in the Huddersfield library
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An Edwin Ward, aged 43, labourer of Bradford Road was buried in the consecrated section of Edgerton Cemetery on 2 August 1876.
I cannot find an Edwin Ward living in Huddersfield, nor is there a death recorded of an Edwin Ward in Huddersfield in 1876.
Edmund Wear died on 30 July 1876 so this could possibly be his burial?
Sandra
Summing up! Edwin Ward
As Sandra has already said, there is no evidence of a death of Edwin Ward age 43 death in the late July or 1st or 2nd of August 1876 living on Bradford road Huddersfield in either the GRO of Local register office death Qtr index. No Newspaper death notice record Per August 1876 Huddersfield at Bradford road. For a Edwin Ward either.
Edmund Wear (Weare or Ware)
I called at the Huddersfield local studies Library yesterday and looked at the 1875 to 1876 Electoral Burgess register book page 92, in this book the names and addresses of inhabitant residents ar in name district order with each residents address given after the name.
There is Edmund Weare 1 Beaumont street corner house with Bradford road, Fartown Huddersfield 1876
There is No Edwin Ward living in Bradford Road Fartown Huddersfield in the North Ward 1876
Its up to the reader to either accept or decline this evidence presented that the burial of Edwin Ward burial 2nd August name was a mistake for Edmund Wear(e) death 30 July 1876 Edgerton Cemetery Huddersfield record in the local newspaper and death certificate owned by Rootschat member Sandyjose the OP of this thread