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I am doing really well and suddenly my aunty Kathleen - tivendale wood or burke does not seem to have a birth certificate. there seems to be a family mystery around her as there seems to have been a divorce or something similar. She said she was born in 1922 in Newton le Willows, Lancs. She died in 1986
her siblings are Joan and a brother and was married to Arthur Laurence burke 1910-2000.
Kathleen's mum, Emilia had an affair with Stan Carradus. One big mess!! any ideas ??
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Kathleen's marriage to Arthur June qtr 1941, Preston:
Arthur L Burke - Kathleen Tivendale-Wood
Vol:8e Page: 1586
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Do you know Kathleen's mum Emilia's surname?
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Hello and welcome,
There is an Edwin Tivendale Wood b Birkenhead 1892
This marriage looks quite likely
1912 Birkenhead Edwin T Wood and Amelia Hobson are on the same page.
Births Mabel J and Neil with these names - does this ring any bells
Heywood
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Someone interested in the same family :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=675862.msg5207203#msg5207203
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FreeBMD has the following marriage:
Jun 1964
Amelia TIVENDALE-WOOD and William S. CARRODUS
Birkenhead
Interestingly, the first recorded instance of the hyphenated TIVENDALE-WOOD surname on the GRO indexes is Kathleen's 1941 marriage.
There are two other TIVENDALE-WOOD marriages (both registered in Birkenhead): Neil G. in 1945 (with Alan G. born in 1947) and Kenneth in 1949 (with Barry K. born in 1954).
Do you have the full names (forename and surname) of Kathleen's two siblings, Joan and a brother?
Do you have Kathleen and Arthur's marriage certificate, as this should name her father?
Pennie
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Further thoughts ...
Have you checked out the following birth registrations:
Blackburn RD (Lancashire) - Dec 1922 - Kathleen MARSDEN (mmn HOBSON)
Wortley RD (West Riding of Yorkshire) - Mar 1921 - Kathleen HOBSON (mmn HOBSON)
If Kathleen's birth was as a result of an extra-marital affair, then it's possible that she was registered with her mother's maiden name (or possibly maternal grandmother's maiden name - MARSDEN?) and away from her home locality. (I have just this scenario in my husband's family tree!)
Pennie
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Hello and welcome,
There is an Edwin Tivendale Wood b Birkenhead 1892
This marriage looks quite likely
1912 Birkenhead Edwin T Wood and Amelia Hobson are on the same page.
Births Mabel J and Neil with these names - does this ring any bells
Heywood
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Edwin and Amelia had three children - Mabel J.T. WOOD, Kenneth T. WOOD and Neil G. WOOD.
However, having searched extensively, I can find no birth record for Kathleen. I wonder if Edwin agreed to bring her up as his own but drew the line at having his name put on the birth certificate, so Amelia then decided not to register the birth?
After Edwin's death in 1959, Amelia married Stanley CARRODUS (see my previous posting). In some online family trees he's referred to as William Stanley Butler CARRODUS.
Pennie
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Hi mitsyms,
From what I recall, most if not all these events occurred around Birkenhead.
Was Kathleen raised with those siblings and more importantly with Edwin and Amelia as her parents.
You say that Amelia had 'an affair' with Mr Carradus but married him 5 yrs after Edwin's death, when she was around 70 yrs old. ???
Heywood
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It would seem that Amelia and Stanley married after his wife's death.
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Not all births made it to the national index, having to transcribed, sent to London, and then transcribed again. Your 1922 birth may be in a local register but not the national one, or for some reason un-registered. In that case a baptism might exist but not a registration.
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Further thoughts ...
Have you checked out the following birth registrations:
Blackburn RD (Lancashire) - Dec 1922 - Kathleen MARSDEN (mmn HOBSON)
Wortley RD (West Riding of Yorkshire) - Mar 1921 - Kathleen HOBSON (mmn HOBSON)
If Kathleen's birth was as a result of an extra-marital affair, then it's possible that she was registered with her mother's maiden name (or possibly maternal grandmother's maiden name - MARSDEN?) and away from her home locality. (I have just this scenario in my husband's family tree!)
Pennie
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Did she die as Kathleen Burke?
If so this is the only one that I've found,making her birth 10 years earlier than you thought?
Kathleen Burke DOB 30 Dec 1912
Died, Aug 1986 - Bury Lancashire
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Yes she died as kathleen burke but was born in 1922 and died in1988. At the moment both myself and her daughter, jane have given up. The family closet to them will not discuss it.
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I am doing really well and suddenly my aunty Kathleen - tivendale wood or burke does not seem to have a birth certificate. there seems to be a family mystery around her as there seems to have been a divorce or something similar. She said she was born in 1922 in Newton le Willows, Lancs. She died in 1986
In your original post you said that she died in 1986,hence me suggesting that her birth was in fact in 1912 ;D
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I'm a little puzzled as to why you are sure Kathleen was born in 1922 when you don't have the birth cert. Many people took a few years off their real age for various reasons. Don't rule out either of the two birth registrations mentioned in previous posts here. Frostyknight
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In 1922 Newton Le Willows came under Warrington Registration District (until 1934)
September quarter 1922 - Kathleen Burke, mmn Cooke
No entries for the surname Wood or Tivendale Wood (with or without the hyphen)
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Death registration - May 1988 in Blackpool and Fylde - Kathleen Mary Burke aged 66, dob shows as 10 March 1922.
"Connection" by Ancestry goes to:
Marriage - June quarter 1941 - Preston - Arthur L. Burke and Kathleen Tivendale-Wood
There was no "official" adoption in England and Wales before 1927.
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Strange - so did Kathleen commence life as a Burke, move on to Tivendale-Wood and then marry a Burke. :-\
Oops, sorry, no pun/insult intended! :o :o :-[
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hi, sorry i did not answer sooner but i did not know i had to check roots, thought it would be via email. no offence for burke comment. we also have commented!!! ;)
Kathleen was born a tivendale wood as far as we know. But as her mother had an affair with a stanley carrodus who knows. He came from the midlands. We now have another tivendale mystery. My mother's death certificate can not be found. She died in halesowen in 1988. I need her cert. as my dad said it was suicide and my brother said he held her hand as she was dying of a liver problem. What a family I have!!
Would appreciate it very much if you could give me some light on the subject
Marjorie dennison smith
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We now have another tivendale mystery. My mother's death certificate can not be found. She died in halesowen in 1988. I need her cert. as my dad said it was suicide and my brother said he held her hand as she was dying of a liver problem. What a family I have!!
Would appreciate it very much if you could give me some light on the subject
Marjorie dennison smith
Hi there
What was your mum's name and when was she born ?
You should be notified by email each time anyone posts here.
Make sure you have ticked that on your profile page.
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She was born on 5 july 1917 in birkenhead married to dennison smith in 1935. Her mum was amalia hobson and her father edwin tivendale wood.
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And her name when she died was..........?
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So this birth then?
Births Sep 1917
Wood Mabel J T mmn Hobson Birkenhead 8a 748
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Then I can get her death cert? I see u have put mabel j instead of joan m! Why is this? I will see if I can find it.
when I sent this question there was another one re her sister kathleen'birth cert. This has been going on for years . We have given up. She was born in 1922 . Really pleased to get above info. Thank you very much
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I checked your profile and you only receive an email notification for the 1st unread reply, so if you miss that one, you won't get another.
You can set your email notification to 'instantly' which might help at this time as you don't have a lot of topics on the go just now.
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Then I can get her death cert? I see u have put mabel j instead of joan m! Why is this? I will see if I can find it.
when I sent this question there was another one re her sister kathleen'birth cert. This has been going on for years . We have given up. She was born in 1922 . Really pleased to get above info. Thank you very much
That's how her birth was registered,that's not to say what her death was under,I'm trying to find it for you.
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Looks like she had dropped the Mabel by the time she got married.
Marriages Sep 1/4 of 1935
Smith Dennison Wood Liverpool S. 8b 561
Wood Joan T Smith Liverpool S. 8b 561
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There aren't any Joan or Mabel Smith's with the date of birth you gave in the death index for 1988 or any other year.
The nearest is Joan Smith born 22 June 1917 died 1988 in Birkenhead.
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You say that your mum's mum used to be Amelia Hobson,so shouldn't her sister Kathleen also have the same mum with a maiden name of Hobson?
This looks like a brother too? The T as a second name may stand for Tivendale.
Births Jun 1913
Wood Kenneth T mmn Hobson Birkenhead 8a 1032
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Dennison Smith born 4 October 1904 died 1987, is this your father's death entry?
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You say that your mum's mum used to be Amelia Hobson,so shouldn't her sister Kathleen also have the same mum with a maiden name of Hobson?
This looks like a brother too? The T as a second name may stand for Tivendale.
Births Jun 1913
Wood Kenneth T mmn Hobson Birkenhead 8a 1032
CheshireBMD
Kenneth Tivendale Wood - mmn Hobson, sub-district = Tranmere.
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Just to let everyone know, as I know how frustrating it can be when you discover information has been passed off-forum, I've had a pm from miystms with more information about her mother so there's no need to look for the death.
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Dawn,thanks for letting us know, I spent ages earlier on going round in circles with this ::)