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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: robbo43 on Thursday 21 August 14 15:26 BST (UK)
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Norah Batchelor was born on the 26th March 1889 in Betchworth, Surrey England. She married Charles Albert Earl in 1912 in Kensington, London, England. Charles died in 1946 but I had been unable to find any UK records of Norah after 1946, including any record of her death.
I have just discovered that she emigrated to New Zealand in 1956. She left Liverpool on the 7th January 1956 on the SS Tamora, belonging to Shaw Saville & Albion Co., with the port of destination given as Auckland. I assume that she was going to live with relatives in New Zealand although I was not aware of any family members there. I would be grateful for any information about Norah in New Zealand.
Robert.
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Hello robbo43
The following is listed in the New Zealand Death Index.
1986 - EARL - Norah - date of birth : 26 April 1889
I'll see what else I can find.
~ Lu
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A probate file is held at Archives New Zealand (Auckland office).
EARL - Norah - Auckland - 1986
http://archway.archives.govt.nz
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A cremation record appears on the website of the former North Shore City Council (Auckland).
EARL - Norah
Aged 96 years
Date of Death: 5 April 1986 Date of Cremation: 8 April 1986
Ashes Status: Returned to family 19 April 1986
Funeral Director : Forrest Funeral Services, 8 Glen Road, Brown's Bay, Auckland 0630
[It may be that one of our Auckland-based RootsChatters can help with additional information ? ]
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Hi,
She was cremated at North Shore Memorial Park 235 Schnapper Rock Road, Auckland
Cheers Janette
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The funeral director is still in business and you could try emailing them for further information,their email addy is here
http://www.funeralsnewzealand.co.nz/about-fdanz/fdanz-funeral-directors/auckland.aspx
The first Forrest is the correct one
Cheers Janette
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Hi Robert
Just this for starters, from NZ Electoral rolls :
1957 - Auckland - Waitemata electorate
EARL - Norah - retired
EARL - Mary Hilary - teacher ... both residing at 113A Kowhai Road, Mairangi Bay
~ Lu
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Just a question Robert, do you know how Mary Hilary EARL is related to Norah ?
~ Lu
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The last-available-online electoral information for Norah, is in 1981.
The electorate name by then has changed to "East Coast Bays", but Norah and Mary Hilary are listed at the same address as previously given (1957) and both are shown as "retired".
~ Lu
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On the shipping manifest
Number 106,Earl,Mrs Norah,age 66,widow,retired teacher,113 Kowhai Road Mairangi Bay,Auckland NZ
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12423-40349-75?cc=1609792&wc=MP7T-W38:119035001,119036901,119102001
Cheers Janette
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Family Search has a Mary H Earl arriving in NZ in 1954,it gives her birthplace as the USA
Name: Mary H Earl
Event Type: Immigration
Event Date: 1954
Event Place: Wellington (other ports also listed), New Zealand
Age: 41
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Teacher
Birth Year (Estimated): 1913
Ship Name: Rangitoto
Departure Port: London
Arrival Port: Wellington (other ports also listed)
Arrival Place: Wellington (other ports also listed)
Digital Folder Number: 004479614 , Image Number: 00111
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12417-45453-26?cc=1609792
Cheers Janette
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... do you know how Mary Hilary EARL is related to Norah ?
Mary is most likely the firstborn daughter of Charles and Nora.
Charles and Nora migrated to New York in 1912.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JJ18-Z3K (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JJ18-Z3K)
New York State Census 1915
Charles
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K9TS-9MF (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K9TS-9MF)
Nora
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K9TS-9MN (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K9TS-9MN)
Mary H
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K9TS-9MJ (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K9TS-9MJ)
Catherine
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K9TS-9MV (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K9TS-9MV)
Charles' draft registration card...
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-26522-5552-67?cc=1968530 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-26522-5552-67?cc=1968530)
Regards
Beg
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Hi Robert,
If you don't receive sufficient information from the funeral directors, I am happy to do a newspaper death notice look up for you...........
Minniehaha.
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Wow, I didn't expect so much so quickly. Thank you all very much for this.
Norah is my first cousin twice removed according to Ancestry, she was someone my grandfather & mother talked about at times and mother exchanged Christmas cards & odd letters but lost contact. The family also interest me as Norah's brother Jack was chief draughtsman for Bolton Paul Aircraft during the 2nd World War and I now live about 15 miles from the former factory & the house where Jack lived.
So we now have that Norah was born 28 April 1889, the New Zealand death records are right and the UK emigration records are wrong as Ellis Island records give her age as 22y 11mo when they arrive on 10th April 1912. Norah was a teacher before her marriage.
Charles & Norah married in 1912 and must have left for America within a couple of days of their marriage. Mary was born in 1913 and Catherine in 1915. Charles' draft registration card of 1917 shows them still in America and that they had had no more children at this date.
By 1920 they have returned to the UK as a son, William Henry F Earl, is born on 27 Mar 1920 in the Kingston on Thames area of Surrey. Electoral Registers show them living near Guilford, Surrey between 1926 and 1929. From 1931 onwards they are at 3 Molineux Road, Farncombe, near Godalming, Surrey and Mary Hilary Earl appears on the Register from 1935 onwards. The last Register before the start of the 2nd World War is in1938 and they are all still there. The only post-war Register easily available is in 1945, Charles & Norah are still at the same address but Mary isn't.
Charles dies in 1946. Mary emigrates to New Zealand on 13 Aug 1954, giving 3 Molineux Road as her address on the UK Outward Passenger List and arrives in Wellington on the 14th September, presumably to work as a teacher. Norah leaves England on the 7th January 1956 to join her daughter in New Zealand and arrives on the 18th February. They live at 113A Kowhai Road, Mairangi Bay. Norah dies on the 5th April 1986 and is cremated at North Shore Memorial Park, Aukland, on the 8th.
Minniehaha, if it isn't too much trouble I would appreciate any information about newspaper death notices. Once again, thanks to all of you for such a tremendous effort
Robert
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I will probably be able to do that newspaper look up for you next week Robert.........
Minniehaha.
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Hello Robert,
I have sent Norah's newspaper death notice to you by PM. Unfortunately it does not give Catherine's married name. If you contact the funeral directors they may provide this information.
I did a random search of the electoral rolls and perhaps since arrival in New Zealand, Norah and Mary Hilary resided at the same address in Mairangi Bay. The first entry I found was for 1957. In 1969, Mary H. was recorded as being a "clerk" and the same in 1975.
There was an electoral roll for 1986 which showed Mary Hilary still at the address in Mairangi Bay, but I was not able to find her on the 1987 roll.
Minniehaha.
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This lady may be the daughter
cremated at North Shore and the same FD as Norah
Surname: CURNOW
Forename(s): Mary Hilary
Age: 81 Years
Gender: F
Date of death: 27 September 1994
Date of Cremation: 30 September 1994
Funeral director: Forrest Funeral Services 8 Glen Road, Browns Bay, Auckland 0630
Ashes status: Returned to Family 3 Oct 1994
Cheers Janette
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A newspaper death notice look up should settle it one way or the other. I will try to do this next week.............
Minniehaha.
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Here is her death on BDM's
death
1994/52152 Curnow Mary Hilary born 14 February 1913
Cheers Janette
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Don't want to get ahead of ourselves here, but there is a probated will (1995) held @ Auckland archives for Mary Hilary Curnow (married woman).
Minniehaha.
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Well done Janette!! ;D
Here is the husband of Mary Hilary nee EARL.
CURNOW John Henry Tremayne. On July 1, 2003 (peacefully) at Lady Allum, Milford. Beloved husband of the late Molly* and Avril. Loved brother of ** and the late Allen. Special thanks to the staff at Lady Allum for their love and care of John. A service will be held at the Lady Allum Chapel, Napoleon Avenue, Milford, tomorrow (Friday) at 2.30pm, followed by private cremation. Dil's Funeral Services FDANZ.
**Name deleted as perhaps still living..........
*This was the name of one of the daughters in Norah's death notice, but spelt as Mollie.
Minniehaha.
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Well done Minniehaha,Molly is a pet name used for Mary or Margaret
Cheers Janette
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I will still go and get the death notice for Mary Hilary as this may reveal more about her sister Catherine and family, hopefully..............
Minniehaha.
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Thanks for all this, at the moment I am on holiday with an awful Wifi connection and with few of my records. I will reply properly next week when life is back to normal.
Robert
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I've just made a step forward with Catherine. I hadn't been able to find her at all in UK records but picked on two possible marriages, both of which are incorrectly recorded in BMD registers. One in 1933 turned out to be wrong but one Q4 1945 Surrey SW 2a 1382 showed a Catherine B Earl marrying either Henry H Jones or Henry H Smail. I then searched for Catherine Smail and hit the jackpot. Catherine Beatrice Smail (37) with her husband Henry Houliston Jones Smail (47) and their sons aged 6, 3 and 1 (names omitted as they may still be alive) appear on Passenger Lists leaving UK on the P&O Strathnaver leaving London on the 26 March 1953 bound for Sydney, Australia, their ultimate destination New Zealand. To confirm their identity their last address in the UK is given as 3 Molyneux Road, Farncombe, the same as Norah & Mary Hilary (Mollie). http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=tna%2fbt27%2f1722%2f00%2f0038%2fp%2f0015f&parentid=tna%2fbt27%2f1722000038%2f00550.
This identifies three of the people in the death notice for Norah in the New Zealand Herald which Minniehaha kindly sent me, leaving two to find. At the moment it looks as if Catherine & Henry emigrated to New Zealand first and were followed by Mary, then Norah.
I think that Mary must have married John Curnow in New Zealand as she was still Mary Hilary Earl when she emigrated to New Zealand in 1954.
Robert
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A picture of Norah with her elder brother Jack William and younger brother Henry c1904 when she was 13 or 14 by her appearence
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One of her a couple of years later, I would guess she was 16 as her hair is now up.
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Death notice for Catherine found. About to send you a PM..............
She died on 19.9.2006. D.O.B. - 6.6.1915
Minniehaha.
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Will look for Mary's marriage.
Henry Houliston Jones Smail died in 1983. His D.O.B.- 12.12.1906.
Coroner's Inquest file (1983) held @ Wellington Archives. Restricted access.
www.archway.archives.govt.nz
Minniehaha.
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Minniehaha,
I have just sent you a PM about some of Catherine's children.
Robert
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Hi Robert,
PM sent with details of Catherine's sons.
I omitted to mention that Mary Hilary EARL married John Henry Tremayne CURNOW in 1987.
Minniehaha.
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Thanks to all of you for all the imformation you have found for me. Special thanks to Minniehaha who traced the four sons of Catherine all of whom are living in New Zealand. I managed to find an e-mail address for one of them and we are in contact. Norah, Mary Hilary & Catherine all left written life histories! We are exchanging information about the families. Once again, many, many thanks.
Robert
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That is good news
Cheers Janette
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Wonderful news Robert and I am pleased to have played a part in your research journey.........
Minniehaha. ;D
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Just as a matter of interest - the ship was the TAMAROA, and it arrived at Auckland from Liverpool on 18 February 1956.
oakleigh