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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: sak on Thursday 21 August 14 10:36 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am interested in a Mary Burwell born around 1711 in Sutton, Suffolk, daughter of Charles Burwell of Sutton and Mary Cotton of Marlesford. Mary Burwell was their only surviving child and inherited all the family land and property including Fenn Hall and Petistree Hall in Sutton. She died in 1770.
My ancestor is a Burwell Edwards who also owned all this property and I have always thought that he must be connected to the Burwell family in some way given his christian name. I believe his parents were Edward Edwards and Mary Kerridge who married in Sutton around 1762. Mary Kerridge was born in Sutton around 1731 and her parents were George Kerridge and Mary. I am wondering if this Mary is in fact Mary Burwell.
I think George Kerridge may have died in 1739 as there is a burial for one in 1739 in Sutton and perhaps Mary went on to marry a William Edgar of Great Glenham. I know she died in 1770 as Mary Edgar.
Is there anybody out there who has access to the records for Sutton and Great Glenham or the marriage records to help me see if any of this can be proved or dismissed?
Many thanks to anyone who can help.
Sue.
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Hi I've trawled through the Sutton registers for the Burwells. I see you have quite a lot of information already so I don't know if I've managed to find anything new or not.
Taken from Sutton parish register.
None of the baptisms of children of George and Mary Kerridge mention her maiden name, however George and Mary do have a child who they name Burwell. Unfortunately I couldn't see his baptism , just a burial:
Burwell son of (blank) & Mary Kerridge buried (April?) 1734
Mary d/o George Kerridge and Mary his wife baptised (couldn't read date) 1734
Mary d/o George Kerridge and Mary his wife baptised 14th Aug 1735
Rose d/o George Kerridge and Mary his wife baptised 3rd Sept 1738 buried 23rd October 1738
George Kerridge buried 12th July 1739
I couldn't see George and Mary's marriage at Sutton, nor Mary's marriage to William Edgar at Sutton or Great Glemham. Hoepfully somebody with access to the Suffolk Marriage Index might be able to help.
Taken from Great Glemham parish register.
William Burwell s/o William and Mary Edgar baptised 12th march 1741
Jane d/o William and Mary Edgar baptised July 1743
Jane d/o William and Mary Edgar baptised 17th Aug 1744
Mary d/o William and Mary Edgar baptised 4th Sept 1745
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Some other Burwell entries from the Sutton parish register.
Rose d/o Charles and Mary Burwell -1st February 1722 (Really sorry but couldn't decipher if this was a baptism or burial but I think burial :()
Rose d/o Charles Burwell and Mary his wife baptised 13th May 1714
Also:
Frances baptised 1st Sept 1715 buried 30th January 1715
Charles baptised 24th March 1711 buried 21st June 1713
Mary baptised 5th April 1711
Charles Burwell Gent buried July 6th 1709
Rose wife of Charles Burwell Gent buried 11th October 1706
Anne d/o William ane Elizabeth Burwell baptised 23rd October 1659
Joseph s/o William Burwell and Elizabeth his wife buried 12th January 1657
Margaret d/o the above baptised 15th May 1656
William Burwell buried Oct 1627
Ann Burwell buried July 1628
Symon Burwell s/o Symon Burwell and Margaret his wife baptised 17th November 1636
Susan Burwell buried July 1634
Margaret Burwell d/o Symon Burwell baptised 8th November 1631
Symon s/o Symon Burwell baptised December 1629
An d/o Symon Burwell baptised October 1626
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Hi,
Thanks so much for looking all that up for me. I really do appreciate it. They are all of the same family according to the information I have.
I have the baptisms of Burwell, Mary and Rose Kerridge, Mary being my direct ancestor. She married Edward Edwards at Sutton, Suffolk on the 8th June 1763. Their two children were Mary Edwards Bap 7/9/1764 and Burwell Edwards Bap 17/12/1766 both at Sutton.
It's still possible I think that if George Kerridge died in 1739, Mary remarried to William Edgar. There is a marriage for a William Edgar in Suffolk in 1739 on Boyds but unfortunately I don't have access to that. William and Mary Edgars children were all born after 1739.
Two things that make me wonder though is why would my Burwell Edwards inherit all the land and property, presumably through his mother Mary Bap 1735, when there is a son William Burwell Edgar, unless he died of course, and why would they name another child Mary (Edgar) in 1745 when there was already a Mary (Kerridge) in 1735.
This has been my brick wall for about 30 years! I would love to break it. Thank you for helping me.
Sue.
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Hi again Sue,
I had another look at the Great Glemham register (burials).
William Burwell Edgar infant buried November 17th 1742
Jane d/o William Edgar Esq buried May 20th 1744
Mary d/o William Edgar Esq buried February 20th 1745/6
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I also looked at Boyds marriage index on FindMyPast at the records office and found that the William Edgar marriage was in fact at Boyton, Suffolk in 1739:
Then taken from Boyton parish register:
William Edgar of North Glemham singleman and Mary Kerridge of Sutton widow were married March 11th 1739
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Hi,
Many thanks for taking the trouble to look all this up. I'm sure these are my people. It would explain how all Mary's property ended up with my ancestor, Burwell Edwards, as he would have been her grandson. Everything seems to fit except that the George Kerridge who died in 1739 was buried after the marriage of Mary Kerridge widow, to William Edgar! Unless the dates are wrong or this George Kerridge wasn't in fact the husband who died.
Thanks for all your help though.
Sue.
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Hi Sue,
Have you considered that the years up to 1753 (Julian calendar) ended at the end of March each year and were often quoted as 1739/40 (old style).
When the new calendar came into effect from 1753 the year then started on 1st January and ended 31 st Dec. as we know it today as the Gregorian calendar.
In your case it may be that George Kerridge was buried in 1738/9 (old style) and his widow re-married in 1739/40.
I may be wrong but its worth considering.
Alan
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Being pedantic ;D, I believe that prior to 1753 New Years day was on the 25th of March.
Regards.
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Hi,
Thanks for that information. I shall look into that.
Thanks again everyone.
Sue
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Is anyone able to tell me who the children of Burwell Edwards and Susan Wade were?
Many thanks it might help with a few brick walls in my tree
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Burwell Edwards 1766-1845 married Susan Wade 1770-1800 daughter of John Wade 1738-1821 and Hannah Shuckford 1740-1825.
Burwell and Susan married at Great Glemham Parish Church, 24/7/1791.
Children: Susanna Bap 28/11/1791 All Saints, Sutton, Suffolk D 1795 buried 25/12/1795, Sutton,
Hannah Eliza Bap 13/4/1796 All Saints, Sutton D 1821 buried in Sutton, Suffolk. She married 12/8/1819 at St James, Westminster Samuel Newson 1788-1861, a surgeon. No known children.
Susan Louisa Bap 7/9/1799 All Saints, Sutton, D 1828 who married 18/8/1819 St James the Less, Westminster, Gideon Betty. I believe he died before 1827. Susan died 1828 and by her will dated 12/12/1827 which confirms her as a widow she left everything to her father. No known children.
(NB Witness to her Will was a Joseph Gurning, B 1777, a surgeon at St Georges Hospital, London, whose father the Rev Joseph Gurning was the vicar of All Saints, Sutton, Suffolk. The Reverends brother, John was Sergeant Surgeon to George lll and to the army.)
Burwell Edwards never remarried. He was a landowner and had inherited the Burwell Estates in Suffolk. He lived at Fenn Hall, Sutton, Suffolk and was known as an eccentric old man in his later years. He was found drowned in his pond on the Fenn Hall estate in 1845 and was buried at All Saints 28/6. He died intestate, which seems odd for a man of such means, at least a Will was never found. His entire estate was therefore left to his elder sister, Mary Hunt nee Edwards and when she died in 1847 to her eldest son, Burwell Hunt (my ggg grandfather).
Hope this helps. Do ask if you have any further questions.
Sue
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Thank you for such a speedy reply! I'm not sure if my connection is therefore connected. I'm trying to find the parents of a George Edwards who was a surgeon in Eye. He was born there in 1801 but is a bit of a mystery!
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I'm trying to find the parents of a George Edwards who was a surgeon in Eye. He was born there in 1801 but is a bit of a mystery!
See my reply under a new topic, EDWARDS of Eye, Thorndon and Brockford (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=828043).
David