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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: flocklet on Saturday 16 August 14 06:28 BST (UK)
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Greetings, I'm at a complete standstill with my mother's dad.Henry Charles Maskell.born 1886 Camberwell.I have some of his Defence details, however, my mother knows absolutely nothing of his family. I'm trying to find out anything.I'd dearly love to find school registers / reports etc, he died in 1953,whilst mum was only 11. Any ideas please ?
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Have you any idea who he married and what his parents names were
I have found a baptism which may or not be him
Henry Charles Maskell
baptised 04/01/1890
parents George James and Annie Eliza Maskell
of 41 Slater St
occup bricklayer
at St Luke Peckham
date slightly out but they weren't always baptised at birth
Louisa Maud
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Hi Louisa,
Many thanks for your fast reply. Yes, his parents were indeed your post. I've found a couple of brothers & sisters, (which my mum had no idea he had )myself. He joined the army, was discharged, then went back in again using his mother's maiden name of Hudson! We were told many years ago, he had married before he married my grandmother Maureen Wenlock Morris in 1950. All a bit heavy duty. Apologies.
Stella
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The 1950 marriage index does give his surname as Maskell and Hudson. Do you have a copy of this marriage to confirm his fathers details.
Rosie
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Hi Rosie99,
Many thanks for your assistance also. Yes, I do have a copy of the 1950 marriage, with his father's details. I'm trying to find a possible marriage well before this one, as he was 63 years old. How do I find a marriage before this one, as there could well be other children, belonging to my grandfather?
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Have you got the 1891 and 1901 census? He is at home with parents and siblings
LM
taken from 1891 and 1901
George father born circa 1861 Camberwell
Annie 1862 Camberwell
George J1881 Brixton
Annie E 1883 Peckham
Jessie 1885 ditto
Henry 1888 ditto, Harry on 1901
Edgar 1890 ditto
all circa dates of birth
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was he shown as a widower on this marriage cert?
LM
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Yes, I've got both census pages. And the certificate shows him as a widower, & her a spinster.
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OK then, we need another look at marriages, how strange he used his mother's maiden name
LM
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Hi LM,
Yes indeed. On the marriage certificate his name is Henry Charles Maskell otherwise Hudson.
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This is interesting
25/12/1903
St Jude Peckham
Jessie Charlotte Maskell aged 19 of 21 Peckham Pk father George Maskell iron founder
married
Herbert William John Lawes aged 23 of 23 Kincaid Road father Robert gas fitter
witnesses
James Arthur HUDSON
and
Annie Eliza Maskell
LM
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Found marriages for
Jessie Charlotte to Herbert Lawes 25/12/1903
witnesses James Arthur Hudson, the other Annie Eliza Maskell
Annie Eliza to Charles Frederick Salmon 25/12/1904
witnesses James Arthur Hudson and Elsie Susan Rickwood
George James Maskell to Louisa Akehurst 25/12/1903
witnesses Henry Akehurst and Frederick Hollylee
all at St Judes Peckham
in each case father was shown as George Maskell, none show him as deceased
Still trying to find first marriage of Henry/ Harry
Louisa Maud
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Finally found Edgar's marriage, this completes 4 out of 5 siblings
registered as just plain Edgar but according to WW1 records he is the following
Edgar Edward Maskell
parents George and Annie Eliza
siblings George, Harry, Jessie and Annie
address of parents 12 Basing Road which ties in with records
married Mabel Neal 12/04/1914 All Saints Camberwell
Still can't find Harry/Henry, do you think he married abroad and why use his mother's maiden name, intriguing
Louisa Maud
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I do believe you have requested help on this matter before, am I going over old ground?
Louisa Maud
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This I find very confusing specially in view of the fact that Harry/Henry is using the surname of Hudson
Marr 20/06/1880 between
George Maskell
to
Annie Hudson
St Saviour
then there is a marriage
Dec qtr Kensington
Annie Maskell
to
Alfred Hudson
I can't as yet find this couple on 1881
Louisa Maud
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This might interest you
RG13/505 FOLIO 28 PAGE 44
Maskell and Rickwood living as neighbours
Do you think there was a divorce or split in this family for Henry Charles Maskell to change to his mother's maiden name ?
Louisa Maud
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Hi LM,
Goodness, you have found some information which is brilliant !
I do find that James Arthur HUDSON is interesting is using HUDSON as a surname. Family gossip ? did say Henry Might have married an Indian woman, whilst serving in the Army.But that was all that was told. ???
I did indeed request information a good while ago, & I have tried again on my own,, with no avail again.Just looking at my papers. On HC Maskell & MW Maskell marriage, in brackets is (name changed by Deed Poll). I found in 1901 census, Geoerge & Susan Maskell (George James father) they have a Walter W RICKWOOD, 15 Grandson. ???Now I"M confused !
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As for a divorce or split in this family, I asked my mother, & she said, "She was told there was a big argument a long time ago, & that is why she knows nothing of her father's life."
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I am no expert, perhaps that is why he chose to marry a second time under a different name, his first wife might have still been alive
I can't find a marriage that fits him first time around, he could of course have married out of his area if he was in a force somewhere
LM
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LM,
The plot certainly thickens :( I think he may have married whilst in the Army in India. I am going to try to search his Regiment for any marriages while in the military on Google.
Do you know of any Register that this might be in ?
Thanks again for your help. ;)
Stella
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I found his attestation papers for you, I don't think he was married as he listed parents and siblings
Perhaps if you could find out what regiment he was in it might reveal something, I don't know much about regimental records
LM
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LM,
Sounds like a plan, will try & find out his Regiment details.
Thank You very much lM for your help, much appreciated. Will let you know how I go ;D
From a warm Western Australia x
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There must be deed pole records somewhere, I remember going to Chancery Lane and looked at a name change, it was way back almost 20 years, I have no idea where these records will be now,
LM
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Ok, thanks for added information LM.Googling looks like it's going to get a workout ! :D
Stella
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Will look forward to whatever you find
From a not so warm England, been quite changeable with the weather lately after having high temperatures over a few weeks, I hope our summer hasn't finished yet
Happy Hunting
LM
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You don't have to change your name by deed poll in England. You can call yourself what you like providing it is not for fraudulent purposes so there may not be any legal record.
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Yes Rosie, you are quite right
LM
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I have had a look at his attestation papers again for any clues, he still seems to be single as at about 1908, have had a real laugh as he seems to have been a bit of a character
Have you any ideas as to where he might have lived , would he have been based around the Surrey area do you know, Electrol Regs are a good source of info
I know that one can call oneself whatever you want but it does seem a bit strange that up till, as far as we know, 1907 ish he was a Maskell
LM
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George and Susan Maskell on
1871 RG10/729 FOLIO 17 PAGE 34
1881RG11/687 FOLIO 103 PAGE 57
This should take you back a generation but still no further into finding out why Henry Charles changed his name
LM
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RG12/479 folio 99 page 35
William Maskell and Mary Ann
marriage at St Andrew Camberwell 09/04/1882
William James Rickwood 27 of 12 Salisbury Cotts father William
to
Mary Ann Maskell 26 of 33 Standon St father John Maskell
witnesses
George Maskell and Florence Hubert/Herbert
so, the Rickwood connection is here, you just need to sort out who he is,
LM
I am now going to bow out to give you time to digest the info,
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Greetings Louisa Maud,
Just a update. I am asking my Mum for any of her father's War papers, hoping it may give some clues.
In the meantime, I have tried a couple of free family tree software programmes, so as to help me 'see some light' ? Not much success.As well as searching Electoral Rolls, seeing if I find him. Just thought I'd touch base with you.
Hope all is well.
Kind Regards,
Stella :D
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It's a mystery, isn't it, you may never know why he used that name, perhaps there was a problem along the way, a fall out with his family somewhere
Have you looked at wills for his parents to see if he is included
LM
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Hi LM,
Goodness, no I had'nt thought of wills.
Will keep searching. Thank you again for all your help.
Kind Regards,
from a cloudy but warm Western Australia.
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You wrote On HC Maskell & MW Maskell marriage, in brackets is (name changed by Deed Poll
Did you follow this up?, I have never seen such papers but it would be interesting to see if there is a reason
If, as you mentioned a lot earlier he might have married an Indian woman, he may have returned home without her, she still alive and he decided to change his name and hide behind his new name showing he was a widower when perhaps he wasn't
LM
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George James Maskell died 1934 aged 73
Annie Eliza Maskell died 1939 aged 78
both registered Camberwell
these seem to fit in with dates od birth on previous census
The elect regs show them as living in Basing Road, other occupants at No 12 were Lawes and Williams family, I did wonder if there son would be there under the Hudson surname, I suspect the death certs might well be registered by one of these persons in the household, Lawes being Jessie's married name
I am at a loss as to where to go from here
LM