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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: shelleyf on Saturday 16 August 14 00:53 BST (UK)
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Hi. I'm looking for transcriptions for Goobang Cemetery (near Parkes NSW). Nothing shows up on the internet, but from what I can see of old Rootsweb mailing list archives, the transcriptions are about, and held by a lady named Julie.
The person in the cemetery I am looking for is Ann Durkin died 1877. Could be under the name of Ann Johnston.
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Shelley, suggest contact local FH group, if not successful here.
If you Google Parkes family history group you'll get various ways to do this.
Try Forbes fh also.
They may have a copy of the transcript or at least know who you should contact for the info.
Dawn M
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Thanks Dawn, will try that.
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Hi Shelley,
So you are quite certain that the Goobang Cemetery is her place of burial?
Sue
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Thanks Sue. I'm doing this for a friend, and she says that Ann's previous husband of over 20 years was buried there 2 years earlier (George Bartlett). Also, Ann died in the same area.
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Hi Shelley :)
A little more from an online tree
Death 27 Apr 1875 43 years
No Mistake Lead, Parkes, New South Wales
George died of "exhaustion from general breakup of his constitution" which he was said to have had for 5-6 years. He was buried at Goobang Creek cemetary.
On George's death certificate it says his children were illegitimate.
I can't see a date that this report was written
http://www.environment.gov.au/cgi-bin/ahdb/search.pl?mode=place_detail;place_id=101264
Photo of the Goobang Creek Cemetery sign mentions the Parkes Council
http://www.parkes.nsw.gov.au/works-and-services-parkes/cemeteries-parkes/496104-goobang-cemetery
Have you tried emailing Julie?
Cheers ;D
Cando
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There is no MI transcription at GOOBANG for Ann DURKIN, JOHNSTON or BARTLETT.
Ann's death is registered at PARKES as Ann J DURKIN:
DURKIN Ann J d. 1877 age 46yrs PARKES #5206
Julie Dern is the lady who did the transcriptons 15/10/1999.
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Thanks very much for that information, Merlin.
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Cando, missed your reply before. Sorry. Thanks for that information.
Emails to Julie (possibly old email address) come back "undelivered."
Cheers
shelley
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The person in the cemetery I am looking for is Ann Durkin died 1877. Could be under the name of Ann Johnston.
Hi Shelly
I'm a descendant of George Bartlett and Annie Hughes (Yore/Yew, Hancock, Johnston... seems she married everyone except for George ;D )
Been looking for her death for 15 years without success... how did she end up a 'Durkin'?
Looks like the Goobang Cemetery pages on the Australian Cemetery Index has been updated since your OP:
http://austcemindex.com/cemetery.php?id=1490
http://austcemindex.com/index.php?id=1490
No George or Annie, though :(
More than happy to share what I've found about the family, if your friend would like it.
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Hi Shelly,
I would just ring the Parkes Council and go from there, I have rung many Councils in the past about burials and the majority of responses have been positive. If the Cuncil staff can't help they often know who can.
Gerry
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I think my friend has had an answer about Goobang - Ann is not there. Thanks, Gerry.
Emma - the story is that this Ann Durkin fits with her being Ann Hughes - no proof yet, though. I could pass on your email address, if you like. Send me a PM if you want to get in touch.
Shelley
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Well I have finally worked out how to post here. lol.. Thanks for all your help Shelley. I am waiting on the death cert for Ann, fingers crossed it is the Ann I am hoping for. I will keep you updated.
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I am waiting on the death cert for Ann, fingers crossed it is the Ann I am hoping for.
Fingers crossed here too :D
Thanks for the PM Shelley... & Woodlawn, email's on the way :)
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Hi all hope you can see this add on to some old posts
I am looking for Henrietta Leck
died 1877 at the age of 36 with 7 children. - my great great grandmother, Buried at Goobang cemetery I believe. I have been there and found no headstone - does anyone know how I could go about finding the gravesite - if there is no headstone. This cemetery is old and unused with a lot of burial sites but relatively few headstones ......
cheers
David Leck
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Welcome David,
This is a great place for help with family history matters.
May I suggest you consider contacting Parkes Council as the Cemetery is listed here:
https://www.parkes.nsw.gov.au/living-here/your-community/cemeteries/
Council is responsible for all interments, reservations, and liaison with funeral directors, record keeping, genealogy enquiries, ongoing maintenance and asset improvement. Council acts as the cemetery authority in accordance with all legislative requirements relating to these cemeteries.
JM
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Hi Jm
I contacted one person at Parkes library that said there are no newspaper lists from this period so would be difficult as no listing. Also said that burials at goofing around this time are difficult to trace - mind you there are still gravestones in this cemetery that are prior to this period i.e. 1877
where to from here the do you think ...
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I would contact Parkes Council not just their Library, but the staff responsible for the cemeteries :) Their website says they are responsible for .... genealogy enquiries ... :)
If you have a copy of the death cert, or of the official transcription, then attach a copy to your enquiry as the info on it should help them locate the relevant burial records.
The live link I gave in my earlier post should lead you to :
Cemetery Reservation Process & Interment Process
The following pages detail the cemetery reservation and interment process in the Parkes Shire, as well as providing some details on the cemeteries themselves.
Online access to Parkes Shire Council Cemetery records is available through the Australian Cemetery Index.
Cemetery Reservation Process
Cemetery Interment Process
But I am suggesting that you need to seek out where the Cemetery's burial register is located as that should give you a detailed location within the cemetery, far more detailed than the d.c. info.
https://www.parkes.nsw.gov.au/your-council/contact-council/contact-information/ So perhaps start with an email enquiry to that address, asking for the email address of the person responsible for the Goobang Cemetery burial register :)
Even if there was a headstone, it is possible it has fallen or been removed. The burial register should give plot and row and section (or similar headings) at time of the actual interment, and not just when a headstone is delivered from the stonemason weeks/months or more later.
JM
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Hi JM - thank you for such a detailed reply!
somewhere to start - Thank You!
cheers
david
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(You probably have this)
I note that there are two index entries for Henrietta's death in the NSW BMD index, with apparently mistranscribed surnames - same reg number for each of them.
5236/1877 HENRIETTA LEAH, 36 YEARS, DIED FORBES, registered PARKES
5236/1877 HENRIETTA LEEK, 36 YEARS, DIED FORBES, registered PARKES
Judith
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great work
thank you
I had one but not both
david
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David,
At the time when Henrietta died, there were burials in both Goobang and Parkes cemeteries. So do you know for sure that Henrietta Leck is buried in Goobang cemetery? Do you have a death certificate, for instance.
A couple of comments :-
Registration commenced in Forbes in 1862, Grenfell 1871, Parkes 1874.
As you probably know, the place of registration (especially in the country) may or may not be either the place of death or place of burial. For instance, the person may have died in Forbes where she was visiting relatives, but she lived in or near Parkes. She may have been buried on a private property somewhere in the Parkes district. Forbes and Parkes are about 35km apart and Goobang is further north-east of Parkes.
I’m fairly sure (someone on this list will be able to give more information) that in those days, the family was responsible for the registration of the death, rather than the clergyman or undertaker. So, her death may have only been registered when next the family went to town.
JM’s suggestion about finding the Burial Register is a good idea, but I feel after 140 years, such a record may no longer exist – however, desperate times call for desperate actions so Good Luck.
Many country cemeteries had only wooden crosses to mark the grave because of the distance from where there were stonemasons and also the cost involved. Bush fires were a danger, and there were many instances where bush cemeteries lost all the markers.
Henry Leck appears to have been a miner, based on where he was mentioned – coming up to NSW from Victoria in about 1862 (just when the goldrush was on at Forbes), two children born at Grenfell, but registered at Forbes in 1867 / 68 (gold rush at Grenfell) and one in 1873 at Gulgong (again in gold rush). Of course he may have been following as a supplier of services for the miners rather than a miner himself.
Unfortunately, I cannot answer your questions, but I hope all this gives you food for thought.
Jean.
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David - Henrietta's death certificate should tell you where she is buried.
A transcription from an accredited agent is quicker and cheaper than going through NSW BMDs. There are three accredited agents listed here:
https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history-research/family-history-search.aspxagents
Their websites give costs, usually around $20.
I would mention to the agent that there are the two 2 index entries, neither of which use the spelling you have for Henrietta's surname.
Jeanlit has mentioned some the dates for commencement of registration in the nearby towns - interesting that the index entries say she died in Forbes but was the death was registered in Parkes although registration was available in Forbes. However, there's plenty of possible reasons for this happening. As Jeanlit says it's always worth remembering that the place of death and place of registration may be quite different, although in this case the place of death is mentioned in the index. I saw one once where the person had died in Sydney but the death was registered in Cooma.
Judith
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Yes, Jean is spot on ... the rules and regulations for BDM registering can be best summed up as 'flexible' until just after WWI when pro forma printed forms became the norm. We need to remember that even the clerical staff in rural settings for BDM registrations were often part timers covering not just BDM but also Land Titles Office matters, and Clerk of Petty Sessions admin, and the Sheriff's paperwork, and sometimes even the key holder for the local lock ups, and the cook for those on remand etc...
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=660501.0 includes the following :
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12977223 from 1856. Gradually that process changed so that the burial order triggered the undertaker who then formally processed the paperwork.
The NSW BDM registration for the death will provide the names of the informant (as in the section for the family history info about the deceased) and the names of the medico (as in the section confirming the cause/s of death) and the burial (as in the undertaker). If there was an Inquest, the name of the coroner and date and outcome of that inquest will appear instead of the medico, as afterall, if the medico cannot confirm the cause of death, the medico does not sign off, and the police become involved and in that era they then report to the Police Magistrate who determines how to proceed including proceeding to an Inquest. :)
Red Post, yes, Judith is spot on too...
Official Transcription is the best option, quote the reference number and mention variations in spelling on the BDM index.
The index was not actually prepared until the 1930s, so the volunteers handling that task were faced with quite a number of obstacles, ... lighting, thumbed pages, ink bleeds, etc. and worse... scribble long hand scripts...
:)
JM