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Title: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Spidermonkey on Thursday 14 August 14 22:07 BST (UK)
Over acting much?  ::)

Fascinating story, but Mr Blessed's habit of repeating everything that was said and over enunciating words was rather off putting (in my very humble opinion!)
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Siamese Girl on Thursday 14 August 14 22:13 BST (UK)
The phrase 'larger than life' could truly have been invented for him.  ;D

 Carole
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Clarkey500 on Thursday 14 August 14 22:29 BST (UK)
I quite liked this episode (although I probably liked all the other episodes  ;D )
I have relatives in Portsmouth so it was nice to see there!
Overall, I liked the structure of starting from the top and going down, as it wouldn't normally be the best structure but because of what happened to Jabez and his family - I think it did work.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: LizzieW on Thursday 14 August 14 22:29 BST (UK)
I thought it interesting  ??? that Brian Blessed wove a story around the sparse information he was given.  How did he know his g.grandfather had a happy life with his 13 children - well he might have done but it would have been his g.grandmother who bore them and look after them all and it didn't take him long after her death to re-marry, even though by then his children would have been grown up and not in need of a substitute mother.  There was certainly a lot of supposition in the beginning, it could be that the family were already ailing and moved to Portsmouth in the hope that the better air would help them, rather than what Brian decided that they'd moved from London to better themselves.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Iria on Thursday 14 August 14 22:31 BST (UK)
I Loved it ..thought it was one of the best I've seen .. but then I love Brian Blessed ..
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Ray T on Thursday 14 August 14 22:34 BST (UK)
Brian Blessed is Brian Blessed. If you don't like him, I doubt whether he'd be bothered!
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: candleflame on Thursday 14 August 14 22:37 BST (UK)
The word 'marvellous' featured a lot!!
It was enjoyable following what had happened to the family though.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Matt62 on Thursday 14 August 14 22:41 BST (UK)
I enjoyed the episode, probably more than the previous Julie Walters one. I do agree that there was some questionable supposition on Brian Blessed's part, however I personally find it excusable in view of the very real hardships that Jabez and his family faced. Brian was clearly emotionally connecting with the narrative that was unveiling before him. I liked the fact that the focus was on the very ordinary life of a nonetheless inspiring person. In other words, no history-changing impact on the world, no royal blood or claim to fame - just the story of a child from a broken, split up family, with a very poor start in life who managed to make something of his life and rear a large family who all seemed to have been educated and led healthy childhoods, the kind of childhood he himself had been denied by the impoverishment of his parents and their untimely deaths. It was all very human and quite gripping.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Finley 1 on Thursday 14 August 14 22:41 BST (UK)
Well

Until two hours ago - I avoided watching Brian Blessed whenever possible.

But I absolutely loved this one, I was in tears and - concerned with him.  He talked about that feeling that you get when you are in the graveyard and because he is so 'Eloquent' he described it so well...
I know he wound his own ideas around the tale - but most of them do - and of course his would be larger than life.

I will watch it again -  Yes he over acts and he is loud -  all these things I was worried would spoil it for me.  But the depth of feeling he showed...  :'( :'(
Yep I am an old softy but ... I followed it with him.

xin

Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: jess5athome on Thursday 14 August 14 22:55 BST (UK)
I'm with you xin, I really enjoyed it.
I enjoy them all to be honest, ( I admit some more than others) but I never dissect an episode in a, shall we say, "Professional Genealogists" point of view, I just love to see people unraveling the lives of their ancestors.

Frank  ;)
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: LFS on Thursday 14 August 14 23:00 BST (UK)
I don't think you should expect them to be historians themselves - and you'd expect Brian Blessed to start weaving tales round what he learnt - but frankly, without some help it would have been very difficult for some of us (i.e. me)  to follow this family round the country.  I liked it.
Derby Girl
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: missmolly on Thursday 14 August 14 23:06 BST (UK)
I enjoyed this one, ordinary people with no long pedigrees etc. and a lot of the information taken from sources that (if it's survived) are available to us

Mo
 
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Aulus on Thursday 14 August 14 23:11 BST (UK)
I thought it was a good episode, largely because of the sheer unexceptional ordinariness of the story and good survival of records. Only Brian Blessed's somewhat over-imaginative story-telling made the story "special".

I could much more easily relate to the moving around the country, going in and out of workhouses, etc. than I can the ones where they end up related to Hanoverian kings or Holy Roman emperors!

I wish once in a while the producers could drop a hint to the sleb that large families were the norm before television and contraception.

Interesting that on Jabez's and his sister, Elizabeth's baptisms, his mother's name is incorrectly given as Jane.  I thought for a moment I'd got the wrong family. 
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: iluleah on Thursday 14 August 14 23:19 BST (UK)
Just watched it and wondered if I should bother when I saw who was on, however pleased I did.
His over the top ways  seemed to work well and I think we all think the same kind of thoughts as we research and find our own ancestors records simply as being human beings we feel the need to make things fit and find logical reasons for what they did where they worked and lived, he just voiced his thoughts in his flamboyant acting style  ;D

I loved his emotional connections to his ancestors, I feel the same with mine, so many people I have never met but would love to
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 14 August 14 23:27 BST (UK)
I enjoy it too and liked the way that he visualised the kind of ups and downs that life had thrown at his ancestors and how he embraced their courage in the face of adversity...I Warmed to his depth of feeling for the privations suffered by the orphaned Blessed children...so pleased too that the brothers remained in touch.
Carol
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: heywood on Thursday 14 August 14 23:49 BST (UK)
I'd forgotten all about it - busy with family and then I saw the beginning of this thread. I just caught up with it on iplayer and thoroughly enjoyed it. I thought he was rather quiet - not booming as much as he usually does. ;)
The simple story of human survival was enhanced by the survival of the places - we read these addresses and it was lovely to actually see them.
I wonder how the two brothers connected again - it was such a fitting end for BB's romantic, sentimental view of his ancestors accompanied by his love of literary quotes. As you can tell, I thought it was 'marvellous'  :)
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: mrs.tenacious on Friday 15 August 14 00:22 BST (UK)
I enjoyed the episode, probably more than the previous Julie Walters one. I do agree that there was some questionable supposition on Brian Blessed's part, however I personally find it excusable in view of the very real hardships that Jabez and his family faced. Brian was clearly emotionally connecting with the narrative that was unveiling before him. I liked the fact that the focus was on the very ordinary life of a nonetheless inspiring person. In other words, no history-changing impact on the world, no royal blood or claim to fame - just the story of a child from a broken, split up family, with a very poor start in life who managed to make something of his life and rear a large family who all seemed to have been educated and led healthy childhoods, the kind of childhood he himself had been denied by the impoverishment of his parents and their untimely deaths. It was all very human and quite gripping.

Very eloquently put, Matt - and I totally agree with you.

The phrase 'larger than life' could truly have been invented for him.  ;D

 Carole

Quite!  Sometimes I find him rather annoying, but allowing for his theatrical ways I think he came over as quite sincere in his reactions - it's just the way some 'luvvies' come across.

After this programme I prefer to think of him as 'Brian Bless'im'  ;)
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 15 August 14 00:24 BST (UK)
Barnabas and Elizabeth had 2 other children that weren't mentioned:

William Curven Blessed bp.29/5/1803 St. Paul Covent Garden
Elizabeth Grace Blessed bp.10/3/1811 (born 5 Aug 1810) St. Martin in the Fields

Since they had another daughter Elizabeth in 1820 one presumes the previous one died (can't find in London so perhaps she died down in Portsea).

However, son William Curven Blessed presumably didn't go with them - probably because he'd begun his own apprenticeship.   He married in London in 1825 and had a number of children.   He appears in 1841 Census where he is shown as 'Book Binder'.

I would suggest that it was probably William who made sure the 3 of them stayed in contact with one another.   Alas, William died later in 1841.

Annette
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: mrs.tenacious on Friday 15 August 14 00:30 BST (UK)

I wish once in a while the producers could drop a hint to the sleb that large families were the norm before television and contraception.


I was thinking exactly the same thing watching his reaction to this 'surprising' piece of information!
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: bibliotaphist on Friday 15 August 14 07:17 BST (UK)
Julie Walters' didn't grab me, but I enjoyed last night's episode, for the following reasons:

Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: panda40 on Friday 15 August 14 07:40 BST (UK)
Great episode, apart from one part right at the beginning. When Brian caught the train to Yorkshire first class and found out his family was from London so had to come all the way back again. Hubby sitting watching it from a non family history point of view shouts out what a waste of licence fee money. Surely they could have found that out first and saved home the journey and the cost of a first class train ticket. ;D
Regards panda
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Ayashi on Friday 15 August 14 07:58 BST (UK)
I watched BRIAN BLESSED! (it's got to be done lol) as well and the thing that made me laugh was that his Jabez was doing the Newcastle-London coal trips about the same time as my 4xgt grandfather Mark Brady, it'd be funny if their paths had crossed at some point.

Yeah, he definitely wrote his own stories about them... for all he knew Barnabus might have been abusive lol I joked to my mother that the next thing they were going to show was a newspaper article about how Barnabus beat his wife so she turned around and killed him or something.

One thing I did object to though was when they said Martha had learning difficulties and he indicated that this must have made her incapable of leading the family- it could have been dyslexia for all we know, doesn't mean the poor girl was stupid.

But yeah, the man is, as my mother says, mad as a box of frogs.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: WelwynGC1 on Friday 15 August 14 08:42 BST (UK)
I wondered how things would pan out after he started making train noises but the episode went from strength to strength for me, anyway.

Really enjoyed it.

Looking forward to Sheridan Smith, (SWOON!!!)
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Petros on Friday 15 August 14 12:04 BST (UK)
we thought it the best one for some time, far more interesting, and moving, than Julie Waters' on Irish problems.

The way it was structured made the best story out of it too
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 15 August 14 13:40 BST (UK)
Following on from my earlier posting (which I'm surprised no-one has commented on) re. 2 other children of Barnabas and Elizabeth Blessed.   There was also another son:

George Wilkinson Blessed b.2/8/1804, bp.15/11/1804 St. Georges, Bloomsbury, son of Barnabas and Elizabeth Blessed.   (His baptism has been transcribed under surname Wilkinson, rather than Blessed.   He too was a Book Binder - married 1823 (and one of his children named Jabez).  He died in 1846.  Family transcribed under 'Blissed' in 1841.

So the 2 young orphans in 1822 actually had 2 older brothers, Book Binders like their father, living in London (George marrying 1823, and William 1825).

Annette
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Lostris on Friday 15 August 14 13:49 BST (UK)
BB is a (not very close) neighbour of mine, so quite used to his 'little ways' ..... I must ask him why they didnt go back to even earlier generations ... I'm sure its been mentioned previously that Family was originally from Cambridgeshire.

Brian will have lots of 'Lost Cousins' to track down now!
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Ray T on Friday 15 August 14 14:20 BST (UK)
It has to be remembered that they're making a programme for the general public, and not genealogists, to watch. It has to make a modicum of sense and fit within the one hour timescale they're allotted.

This explains why they went straight back several generations and came forward - it made more sense as a story doing that - and didn't go further back - they had enough material to fill an hour.

What I heartily dislike is the prevalence of hour long programmes cunningly squeezed into six, hour long, episodes.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Plummiegirl on Friday 15 August 14 14:56 BST (UK)
Was not looking forward to this episode, purely because I thought he would be OTT.

Well I was pleasantly surprised.  Yes, he did embellish the lives of his ancestors, but don't we all!

He said at the beginning, he was not expecting anyone special and he was not disappointed.

His exhuberance was a joy.

Yes, we all know that large families were the norm in those days, but for all but 3 (2 x Elizabeth and Margaret) to survive well into adulthood, now that was quite unusual.  Shame they never found out about the older brother, who as said was probably the one who kept contact with all his younger siblings and parents once they moved away from London.

All in all very enjoyable.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: bibliotaphist on Friday 15 August 14 15:20 BST (UK)
So the 2 young orphans in 1822 actually had 2 older brothers, Book Binders like their father, living in London (George marrying 1823, and William 1825).

I can understand why - for the sake of presenting a coherent and not over-complicated story on TV - they choose to leave superfluous 'characters' out of the story. But it does strike an odd note, when we're all (presumably) here striving to record complete and comprehensive families...

...and when the existence of two settled older brothers might have explained how B. Charles and Jabez managed to stay in touch. Perhaps that didn't provide enough of a 'reveal'.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: bibliotaphist on Friday 15 August 14 15:20 BST (UK)
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Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Romilly on Friday 15 August 14 15:30 BST (UK)

I absolutely loved this episode, - quite the best that I've seen, I think.

BB was just putting into words what most of us think on such occasions, - but perhaps we don't all share his eloquence and verbal agility?

(I can't help wondering why his elder daughter doesn't want any contact with him though?)

Romilly.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: davidft on Friday 15 August 14 15:40 BST (UK)
Like others I started watching this with apprehension because of Brain's well known over enthusiasm. However this quickly subsided and I became engrossed in the story. Watching the programme it is easy to see how they made it, in my opinion, and I think if WDYTYA were to ever do a programme showing how they go about it step by step this programme would be a good one to use.

What I also especially liked is it showed how much some people, even poor people, got around in the early 1800's. Something to be borne in mind when looking for that elusive ancestor !
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: mrs.tenacious on Friday 15 August 14 17:26 BST (UK)
  There was also another son:

George Wilkinson Blessed b.2/8/1804, bp.15/11/1804 St. Georges, Bloomsbury, son of Barnabas and Elizabeth Blessed.   (His baptism has been transcribed under surname Wilkinson, rather than Blessed.   He too was a Book Binder - married 1823 (and one of his children named Jabez).  He died in 1846.  Family transcribed under 'Blissed' in 1841.


Aha! I thought I caught a quick glimpse of that in one of the baptism records they were looking at - nice to know I'm not going mad  ;)
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: weste on Friday 15 August 14 17:39 BST (UK)
I must admit I enjoyed it but like has been said he made some assumptions, the one sister he thought would mother all the family after the parents died etc, poor bloke's hopes got dashed. I do think he did seem emotional particularly in the cemetry. It was nice to see the ordinary side, the kids going into the workhouse etc. he must have got quite a shock with some of that info. I know he comes across as over the top but that's him. Quite tragic tale really.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: lisalucie on Friday 15 August 14 19:01 BST (UK)
Marvelous!! This has to be one of my favourites of wdytya...he was so enthusiastic and grateful (even though it was just an "ordinary" story - much like my own family tree). It was a joy to watch him a) not cry at the drop of a hat (until the last three minutes) and b) be so happy (far too many miserable bu**ers on tele at the mo) x
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: kooky on Friday 15 August 14 19:09 BST (UK)
I enjoyed this one! He was very interested in and affected by all the info. I would have been interested to see the connections to the coal mining ancestors.
Kooky
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: shawsboy on Friday 15 August 14 19:14 BST (UK)
Brian Blessed - he is one in a million always makes me laugh .
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: IgorStrav on Friday 15 August 14 20:09 BST (UK)
I really enjoyed this one....cast a glance at OH who I thought would have found BB well over the top, but no, we both liked it and followed the story with interest.

Lovely finish.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Alan b on Friday 15 August 14 20:33 BST (UK)
I thought this was up there as one of the best WDYTYA's, Brian Blessed clearly had a fascination about his family history which you could see when he came close to tears. It is also nice that someone was actually researching their own direct family.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: mumjo on Friday 15 August 14 20:35 BST (UK)
Was it just me that was wondering if the ones that died within a few months of each other had the same cause of death.
Apart from wondering that for the rest of the programme i really enjoyed it. I found the programme featuring Julie Walters not very interesting.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Matt62 on Friday 15 August 14 21:57 BST (UK)
I found the programme featuring Julie Walters not very interesting.

I had the same problem with the Julie Walters episode. There was something lacking in it. Ostensibly the concept of people campaigning over unjust evictions from their land should have been interesting but it just didn't grip me at all. I was bored. This week however, I was gripped.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Jomot on Saturday 16 August 14 01:07 BST (UK)
This has to be one of my favourite episodes ever.  I just loved how BB became so engrossed in the story, and his OTT ways just somehow added to it (I want my very own BB for Xmas - but only if I can put him back in the box for 23 out of every 24 hours!).

The only bit I wasn't keen on was the contrived guesswork about where Jabez went and how he survived for the couple of weeks after he ran away, but otherwise a great 'ordinary' story of hardship and survival.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Finley 1 on Saturday 16 August 14 08:20 BST (UK)
Now that we know he had older siblings near by... Maybe he ran away to one of them?

xin
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Romilly on Saturday 16 August 14 08:41 BST (UK)
I found the programme featuring Julie Walters not very interesting.
I had the same problem with the Julie Walters episode. There was something lacking in it. Ostensibly the concept of people campaigning over unjust evictions from their land should have been interesting but it just didn't grip me at all. I was bored. This week however, I was gripped.

It's a shame that the Julie Walters one was the first episode, - it probably put a lot of people off the series altogether... :-\

As others have said, there was a lot to identify with in the story of BB's ancestors, - the untimely deaths, the dramatic changes in circumstances, the large families, etc.

But it made absolutely compelling viewing!!

Romilly.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: LizzieW on Saturday 16 August 14 12:36 BST (UK)
I noticed on the 1851 census when Jabez was in Brigg that there was a lodger with the same name as one of my ancestors - Thomas Hobson - so I did a search on Ancestry to find Jabez Blessed in 1851 in Brigg, but having a senior moment  ::) I searched 1861 instead.  Guess what there was a Jabez Blessed birth year 1831, who was born in London City, living in Clerkenwell, Middlesex and who was a Bookbinder.   By the side of the census results Ancestry now gives other instances of the same name, so clicking on a baptism, it showed that Jabez Blessed (born 1831) had parents called George and Ann.  George being the eldest son of Barnabus Blessed, and the brother of the Jabez who went to Brigg.

There's also a George Blessed born 1829 (in Dorset) but back in London in 1861 who was also a bookbinder.  There's also another Blessed, looks like Barnalia, born in Hampshire (wife born in Dorset) who was in London and he was a shoemaker - which was the trade Jabez' brother who was in the workhouse with him was apprenticed to.

It seems there were lots of Blesseds around London, working as Bookbinders, or shoemakers.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Marmaduke 123 on Saturday 16 August 14 12:54 BST (UK)
Interesting story but I found Brian Blessed totally OTT. I really wish there wasn't such a focus on actors in this series. It's a rare one who can refrain from acting in front of a camera, and so many of their reactions seem overdone.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: LizzieW on Saturday 16 August 14 14:05 BST (UK)
I agree with you, it seemed as if he was acting out his responses and they didn't seem quite natural.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: jaywit on Saturday 16 August 14 14:11 BST (UK)
Interesting story but I found Brian Blessed totally OTT. I really wish there wasn't such a focus on actors in this series. It's a rare one who can refrain from acting in front of a camera, and so many of their reactions seem overdone.

At last someone who thought the same as I did. I think Brian Blessed comes over as being false, a typical luuvie all be it with a Yorkshire accent. In fact I have to admit to not being a fan of any of the 'professional ' Yorkshiremen.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Finley 1 on Saturday 16 August 14 15:45 BST (UK)
Well - for me I expected him to be much more OTT than he was - and of course he acted out some responses - 'actors' cant help themselves.  So did Julie Walters - so did many others.


In my humble opinion - considering I had almost discounted watching it... It was great.


xin
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: heywood on Saturday 16 August 14 15:57 BST (UK)
I'm with you Xin.
I said earlier, he was much quieter than I expected. I think he showed that aspect which many posters here show, entering into the lives of their ancestors. However his was more theatrical and literary perhaps  :)
I also think it appealed to those folk who know about workhouses etc. whereas JW's explained about political struggles for land, which I appreciated also.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: jaywit on Saturday 16 August 14 15:59 BST (UK)
What also annoys me as mentioned earlier is the fact that the series is almost all actors. Out of the celebs in series 11 only one Mary Berry hasn't acted, so I suspect we will be subjected to more luuvieness. We will have to wait and see how the other episodes pan out.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Finley 1 on Saturday 16 August 14 16:10 BST (UK)
Yes
Mary Berry has had an interesting life - so will hopefully be an interesting one.

Still wish someone would come along and sort my lot for me :) :) as simply as it seems on the prog.

We all know how difficult it really is... 
Still ploddddding through loads of records :)
xin
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: fizzix on Saturday 16 August 14 17:20 BST (UK)
It's a shame that they don't do a random 'civilian' in each series  :)
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Matt62 on Saturday 16 August 14 17:28 BST (UK)
It's a shame that they don't do a random 'civilian' in each series  :)

You know that might be a good idea for a new program. By a kind of lottery of people who sign up for it, there could be a series in which random people are selected and given their genealogy.  ;D
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Saturday 16 August 14 22:59 BST (UK)
I'm afraid that the ratings would probably drop if "ordinary people" were used. I think it's the poking into the backgrounds of well-known people that gives it its appeal to many.
Having said that, I wasn't looking forward to Blessed. I was prepared to turn the volume down - and his sotto-voce humming everywhere drove me mad.
He was over the top - but what did we expect?? It's what the man does; he's "marmite" - and I personally have only liked him in "Z Cars" (shows my age!) and "I Claudius", where he seemed perfectly effective.
I think it's just the actor himself who has a personality that grates. But, as others have said - it WORKED. Both he and Julie Walters were emoting and identifying and imagining like mad - but hang on, isn't that what they do for a living?
Like some others, I'd like to see writers, scientists, musicians, even some TV presenters rather than so many with an acting background - for often we don't already know a lot about  their backgrounds and lives, whereas actors have to put so much of themselves and their backgrounds on show at each part and interview.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Romilly on Sunday 17 August 14 10:20 BST (UK)
It's a shame that they don't do a random 'civilian' in each series  :)
You know that might be a good idea for a new program. By a kind of lottery of people who sign up for it, there could be a series in which random people are selected and given their genealogy.  ;D

This reminds me...

A few years back I used the 'Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness' Site, and found a volunteer in the USA who checked out ancestors there that I was stuck with. I don't know if anyone else on here ever used it?

It's sad to see that the Site is now defunct:-(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random_Acts_of_Genealogical_Kindness

Romilly.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Ronbucks on Sunday 17 August 14 10:44 BST (UK)
Brian Blessed is alive!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_dWpCy8rdc&sns=em
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: jaywit on Sunday 17 August 14 11:04 BST (UK)
I knew I had seen Brian Blessed on stage when I was at school and I also knew the production was
 Midsummer Night's Dream, so isn't Google wonderful  ;D ;D

http://theatricalia.com/person/5f3/brian-blessed/past?page=4
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: TD46 on Sunday 17 August 14 17:27 BST (UK)
Having known for some years that I was decended from Jabez Blessed I watched this episode with both interest and trepidation. I thought Brian (we part company 'below' Jabez) was heart warming the way he reacted.  The programme filed in a few gaps in my knowledge but fascinating to be at the places that Jabez and Barnabas had lived.  It brought the ancestry journey so much alive!
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: hazwr on Sunday 17 August 14 20:58 BST (UK)
I watched this episode with great anticipation as I am descended from Barnabas & Elizabeth via Barnabas Charles, I was not disappointed.

As has been mentioned earlier the brothers did have 2 older siblings William Curven & George Wilkinson who both worked as bookbinders. However they both died in the 1840s, William in 1841 & George in 1846. Whether or not this was how the brothers managed to find each other we will never know, but I still find it incredible that they felt a strong enough bond to stay in touch when they had not lived together since before they were 10 & were separated by so many miles.

The programme also answered the question of why the parents died in Portsea when shortly afterwards the children were in London, this had always puzzled me.

For those of you left wanting to know more - Barnabas senior was born in Wisbeach Cambs in 1781 the son of William & Martha (nee Partin). Jabez's brother Barnabas Charles married Mary Ann Wills in 1838 they went on to have 5 children. Barnabas also seems to have been something of a character, he appeared as a minor witness at the Old Bailey on 3 occasions, when he died in 1889 he was described as a gentleman - a long way to come the workhouse!

So proud to have such resilient & characterful ancestors.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Lostris on Monday 18 August 14 12:51 BST (UK)
Thanks for the update: I had heard from BB that he thought Cambridgeshire figured (this was some years ago, long before the programme).

Your facts would have nicely rounded out the detail in the episode, and could have been easily fitted in timewise I would have thought ...
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: palace81 on Monday 18 August 14 14:04 BST (UK)
Got to say I wasn't much looking forward to this one, but as in the past the one I'm least looking forward to ends up being very enjoyable!
I'm still amazed that the 2 brothers managed to stay in contact with each other despite being separated when they were young!  Anyone have any ideas as to how 2 boys from the workhouse managed to stay in touch all those years?
But a really lovely story about a normal family, who suffered and lived to tell the tale!
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: tillypeg on Monday 18 August 14 16:19 BST (UK)
Interesting to see the address of Barnabas, shoemaker, in 1881 - 463 Coldharbour Lane in Brixton.  My OH's gt grandfather was born down the road at No. 327 in 1880, perhaps Barnabas made his first pair of shoes.... 
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Romilly on Tuesday 19 August 14 09:49 BST (UK)
Many thanks for the update Fred, - much appreciated.

Cheers, Romilly.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: stonechat on Thursday 04 September 14 22:27 BST (UK)
Got to say I wasn't much looking forward to this one, but as in the past the one I'm least looking forward to ends up being very enjoyable!
I'm still amazed that the 2 brothers managed to stay in contact with each other despite being separated when they were young!  Anyone have any ideas as to how 2 boys from the workhouse managed to stay in touch all those years?
But a really lovely story about a normal family, who suffered and lived to tell the tale!

Yes that was particularly interesting
I have a family of 6 orphaned children who were split among the relatives and they clearly did keep in touch
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Mowsehowse on Thursday 05 November 15 22:22 GMT (UK)
I have just watched a repeat of this on the Yesterday channel. 

Thanks to all who posted information after the first showing.

I am indebted to rootschat for coming up trumps as usual, and answering all my questions.
 :D
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Benitach on Monday 08 February 16 15:40 GMT (UK)
Update for those not knowing Barnabus Blessed who died in 1822 was initiated into the United Grand Lodge of England Freemason, Portsea Lodge on 24 June 1818.
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Beeonthebay on Tuesday 09 February 16 09:44 GMT (UK)
Is this available to currently watch as this thread has been rekindled?
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Familysearch on Tuesday 09 February 16 10:05 GMT (UK)
Is this available to currently watch as this thread has been rekindled?

BBC2  is showing some repeats - yesterday series 11 - Twiggy, today series 12 - Frances de la Tour at 2pm, tomorrow also series 12.

FS.

Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: sarah on Tuesday 09 February 16 10:28 GMT (UK)
Welcome to RootsChat Benitach, thank you for updating this story for us :)

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Beeonthebay on Tuesday 09 February 16 11:45 GMT (UK)
Is this available to currently watch as this thread has been rekindled?

BBC2  is showing some repeats - yesterday series 11 - Twiggy, today series 12 - Frances de la Tour at 2pm, tomorrow also series 12.

FS.

Thank you  :)
Title: Re: BBC 1 WDYTYA: Series 11, Episode 2, Brian Blessed
Post by: Beeonthebay on Thursday 03 March 16 19:24 GMT (UK)
Just watched it and was enchanted by the larger than life Mr Brian Blessed, a true British eccentric but with such passion for the subject matter and watching him weave his own little stories was marvellous!!

This was one of the most interesting programmes in the series I have seen and I loved that the 2 brothers who were separated in the workhouse got together some 50 years later though nobody will ever know how.  Fascinating!!!