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Title: west cuddesdon
Post by: ianwade100 on Sunday 10 August 14 07:42 BST (UK)
Hi there

I have a Charles west born around 1810-1812 cuddesdon. My records show a father called Charles Harper and a mother Mary west. Just wondering if this was true and did Charles have any siblings??
Title: Re: west cuddesdon
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 10 August 14 23:15 BST (UK)
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I have a Charles west born around 1810-1812 cuddesdon. My records show a father called Charles Harper and a mother Mary west.

What records did you get this info from?

If his father was Charles Harper - was he illegitimate?  If not - why was his surname West which was his mothers maiden name?
Title: Re: west cuddesdon
Post by: NDRFT on Monday 11 August 14 14:26 BST (UK)
Hi
The baptism is entered in the All Saints Church, Cuddesdon PR's twice.

He is in there 29 Nov 1807 as Charles Harper and again the same day as Charles West. In both entries he is described as s o Charles Harper and Mary Wets base born of Cuddesdon

That does it then
Title: Re: west cuddesdon
Post by: NDRFT on Monday 11 August 14 14:31 BST (UK)
And

there is a Mary West who married after banns  in the same church on 21 Nov 1814 to Daniel Sanders of Chilton. Wits John West & Isabelle Sanders.

I cannot see a marriage in the parish between Charles and Mary so this marriage may be yours and may help your research?
Title: Re: west cuddesdon
Post by: ianwade100 on Sunday 17 August 14 10:20 BST (UK)
Thanks ndrft sorry for the delay

Its all rather confusing would there be a reason for the change of names on the birth register??
Title: Re: west cuddesdon
Post by: ianwade100 on Sunday 17 August 14 10:37 BST (UK)
Carole sorry for the delay

Its all rather confusing. A baptism record I cant get into just states that a charles west was baptised and  the father is named as Charles Harper and the mother Mary west. Rather odd. Im going to go back again and make sure these are the right Wests for my tree.
Thank you for help

Kind regards
Ian
Title: Re: west cuddesdon
Post by: NDRFT on Sunday 17 August 14 12:04 BST (UK)
Hi Ian
The double entry for the baptism and the use of both names is not unusual. It is used in circumstances as actually stated where a child is base born i.e out of wed lock. It is clear that both families were eager to see right was done in the eyes of the church (and the village I suspect) and the father who was known was recorded.

Later the mother married but seemingly to another chap other than the childs father - not unusual then nor now!!!

NDRFT
Title: Re: west cuddesdon
Post by: ianwade100 on Sunday 17 August 14 12:12 BST (UK)
Thanks for your time
Title: Re: west cuddesdon
Post by: ianwade100 on Tuesday 19 August 14 18:21 BST (UK)
Hi sorry ti bother you

Just wondered if you could find out when Charles married a Sarah henton?? I have Sarah,s name from an old bible but cant find anything on Sarah and where she was born or who her p

parents were etc

Any help would be lovely

Many thanks

Ian
Title: Re: west cuddesdon
Post by: NDRFT on Tuesday 19 August 14 20:28 BST (UK)
Hi Ian
I am a bit short on time but this may help?

From the Oxfordshire Family History Society Marriage Index 1538 - 1837 I can see this;

Sarah Henton of Cuddesdon married on 28 May 1798 at Cuddesdon to Jesse Allen of Tilehurst

NDRFT
Title: Re: west cuddesdon
Post by: ianwade100 on Wednesday 20 August 14 19:35 BST (UK)
Thanks ever so much

I think this Sarah must be an aunt as mine was born a bit later. Good for research tho :)
Title: Re: west cuddesdon
Post by: simonp17 on Thursday 21 August 14 11:38 BST (UK)
Ian,

Charles WEST married Sarah HENTON at Cuddeson on 24 September 1831. The only further information on the Oxfordshire Family History Society transcript is that the witnesses were Martha STONE and Henry YOUNG.

I did wonder whether Sarah was the Sarah SMITH who had married Simeon HENTON at Cuddeson on 20 December 1830, a marriage at which Charles WEST was a witness (as was a Sarah HARPER), but Simeon and Sarah HENTON had several children baptised later in the 1830s. The Sarah HENTON who married Charles WEST is probably the Sarah HINTON, daughter of Joseph and Jane, baptised at Cuddesdon on 22 May 1814, who was the younger sister of Simeon HINTON/ HENTON.
Title: Re: west cuddesdon
Post by: ianwade100 on Thursday 21 August 14 21:16 BST (UK)

Thank you ever so much for your time and effort

Im a little confused at all the coincidences of the surname of the witnesses of West and Harper's. Beryllium intresting. I have seen a lot of hintons based in Cuddesdon and often wondered if it was Sarah's name. I will have to have another look at my mums bible. It stretches back to Sarah and Charles.ill get back ti you

Kind regards
Ian