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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Keith Sherwood on Tuesday 28 June 05 10:46 BST (UK)
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I'm back again, to ask more irritating questions about the geography of the Salford area...
Did Pendlebury ever have a railway station? It's just that I've now read that the painter L.S.Lowry lived at 117, Station Rd., Pendlebury in 1916, and indeed for most of his working life. He was said to have stated that on coming out of the Station he could see the Acme Spinning Mill, or would he have been talking about what is now Swinton station?
I am trying to pinpoint 30, Railway Terrace, Pendlebury, where a branch of my Dyson family lived in the 1901 Census.
Another question would be - where would I be able to find details of the history of this Acme Mill. Does it still exist today...?
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Keith
Have you tried Salford Local History Library?
Claudia
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It's about 250 yards from 117 Station Rd to Swinton railway station. I don't think that Pendlebury had any other station named after it.
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The mill's address was Swinton Hall Road, which is parallel with the railway on the other side from 117.
It is claimed to have been the UK's first electrically driven cotton spinning mill.
Anyone know if it still stands?
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Claudia and Andrew,
Thanks for these replies - it's on the rare occasions when someone who was very famous comes into the equation that the personal family history thing becomes so much more illuminated. Who needs black and white photos of a location, when you've got Lowry's amazing paintings of the industrial landscapes of Salford, where he lived...as did the Dyson's.
Keith
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I envy you the artistic illustrations. The best I can come up with for lots in my tree are photos of the places where their houses USED to be. Even one of the places where I lived has gone!
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Hi i have a pic of the acme mill which has now been demolished.regards henry
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Hi, Henry,
Thanks very much for that lovely clear picture of the Acme Mill. I don't suppose you know how recently it was demolished, do you?
And I take it now that a station called Pendlebury never existed, that Swinton station was/is the only one in the area...
Very best wishes,
Keith
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I've just found a 1924 OS 1-inch map which shows another station between the current Swinton station and Irlams o'th Height (love that name!). DOesn't say what it was called though.
However that would have been more than 1/2 mile further away. The station on Lowry's Station Rd (Swinton) is definitely the right one. I've not found any reference to it having a different name in the past.
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Hi Keith
just got this from national archives
HELD AT . Salford city archives
immediate source of acquisition
the following record was received from swinton library in nov 1986.
ADMINISTRATIVE HISTORY
For an account of the history of this company to 1920 see concerning cotton published by the amalgamated cotton mills trust ltd.and its component companies(c.1920 salford local history library)According to the account in this book ,the mill no.1 mill of acme spinning co ltd opened in 1905 ,was the 1st electrically driven cotton mill in the UK.
The account adds that in 1907 the company bought an adjoining mill (albion mill of pendlebury spinning company ltd which was built in 1855
The firm listed in directories for the suburbs of m/c.
ACME MILL WAS DEMOLISHED IN 1984 (information supplied by Mr A.s frankland )
all the above may not be relevent but thats what the document said.
i went into google search (acme mill pendlebury) ther may be more info for you there.
regards henry
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I've just checked my recording of this Sunday's "Picture of Britain" (BBC1), which shows archive footage of L S Lowry walking out of PENDLEBURY Station.
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Thanks again, Andrew, for confirmation about the railway station...
And Henry, I think the 1984 detail from the TNA tidies up when the Acme Mill was demolished.
Finally, yes SKB, it was the TV programme on Sunday that got me going on all this. That Dimbleby man does tend to whizz about from one location to another, though, and I wonder whether they actually meant "Swinton Station". Is this case a cut and dried matter, then?
Keith
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I've watched the Dimbleby thing again and in the Lowry footage you can clearly see the sign on the building says "Pendlebury Station"
I'm still confused though. My 1997 Manchester A-Z doesn't have a Station Rd Pendlebury, but does have a Station Rd Swinton.
And the Salford website
www.salford.gov.uk/living/planning/listedbuilding/listed-register.htm
shows "117 Station Rd Pendlebury" as a listed building.
Could it be that Pendlebury Station was renamed Swinton Station by Beeching or similar?
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Hi, SKB,
Well done for recording that programme and having another look at it! I'm as confused as anyone, as I have pored over the modern map and been perplexed by it all. I'm half-expecting a person who lives on the doorstep (if you can use that expression about a station), to send me a short, sharp definitive answer.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if Mr Beeching had something to do with it, though...
Keith
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Pendlebury Railway Station, the Acme Mill and Railway Terrace.
This is your lucky day.... as I am about as local as you can get in Swinton and Pendlebury (former borough). I was born in Clifton (1946) which is one of the 3 districts which make up the Borough of Swinton and Pendlebury (M27). I have lived for the past 30 years in Pendlebury and went to three different schools in Pendlebury and I am VERY familiar with the station, the mill and Railway Terrace. All three place have now been gone quite some time. My parents and 3 out of 4 grandparents were all born in Pendlebury too. Well let us begin shall we?
Pendlebury Station was on Bolton Road (A666) opposite St Augustine's CE School and Church and what is now called the Isis Restaurant which was the Station Hotel pub. Swinton station is much nearer to where Lowry lived. Swinton station is on Station Road of course. But Station Road is partly in Swinton and partly in Pendlebury. Swinton station is, believe it or not, actually in Pendlebury. At the side of the station is Boundary Road which is normally thought as being part of the boundary between Swinton and Pendlebury, at least Royal Mail go by this rule. In fact the Swinton Parish boundary is actually even further down the road than Boundary Road. The only railway station actually in Swinton itself is Moorside station (Moorside Road) and this used to be called Moorside and Wardley station. Pendlebury station closed about 40 odd years ago.
The Acme Mill was the first spinning mill in the country run exclusively by electricity when it opened about 1905. It was one of Lowry's favourite subject in his many local paintings. It was demolished about 1984. I remember seeing it come down at the time.
Railway Terrace. I went to school with a boy who lived in this street. It went many years ago in the clearances in the 1960s. It was just of Bridge Street, Pendlebury and was off the western side of Bridge Street on the northern side of the railway line very close to where the bottom of Union Street is now if you look on your A-Z map.
It only had houses on one side and faced the railings at the top of the railway cutting.
If there is anything else you wish to know just shout. Hope this is helpful.
Good luck.
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Welcome to Rootschat, Tallboy.
This is the absolutely definitive explanation that I have been waiting patiently to hear! There is no doubt in my mind at all now about the answers to the questions I posed. And, yes, if I may, I'll come back to you if other queries arise in my mind about this area of Salford.
Thank you so much...(This is a brilliant website, by the way; I hope you find it as compelling as I have done over the last year)
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Thanks for sorting us out, tallboy,
I knew someone would come up with the goods eventually!
Incidentally, my grandparents lived in Moorside Rd, in the little block of 3 houses at the East Lancs end. My grandfather worked across the road at Horsfall & Bickham (as the Gate keeper I think)
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Keith
So glad to hear that I have done my good deed for the day.
The Acme was of course on Swinton Hall Road. This road is, like Station Road, partly in Swinton and partly in Pendlebury. In the 19th century the Swinton section was called JANE LANE whilst the Pendlebury section (where the Acme was) was known as BURY LANE. This is not to be confused with BURYING LANE which was the original name of Station Road before the railway was built.
Dyson. There used to be a large family called Dyson not far from where I grew up in the Rake Lane district of Clifton. Many families from this particular estate came from Pendlebury when the houses were built in the 1930s. Pendlebury Station. Trains leaving the station and heading towards Wigan went through the tunnel which starts on Bolton Road and comes out on Swinton Hall Road.
As you can see, I am very eager to put my local knowledge at your disposal.
Tallboy (real name Keith too)
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Hi again, Keith,
More wonderful local knowledge for me, and I might come back to you about that DYSON family that lived close by to you. That's what is so amazing about this site. Either someone comes up with the answers straight away, or you wait a while and THEN somebody has something pertinent to say. My knowledge of this area is much enlarged...
Very best wishes,
another Keith (I think we're quite rare amongst the 18,000- plus members)
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:D :D :D
Have been following this topic with interest as some of my Williamsons lived in Pendlebury circa 1880's.
However, I'm absolutely bowled over by the photo of Andrew's Grandad in the cute hat - what a cheeky little face, I bet he was a bundle of mischief.
:D :D :D
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and that picture of yours of Leah Williamson is just as captivating, if I may be so bold. Was she a direct ancestor of yours, Mobo, or just a member of that Williamson branch you are so interested in...?
Keith
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:D :D :D
Leah William was my grandfather's sister, and a very dear aunt of my late Mum..
As for the Pendlebury Williamson, this was
EMMA WILLIAMSON, born December 8, 1833 in Chapel St. Salford, Lancs, who died November 12, 1879 in 31 River St. Pendlebury, Lancs. She married GEORGE ECKERSLEY February 14, 1858 in Manchester Cathedral, Lancs. Wit. Mary A Williamson, Robert Greenhalgh. Son of GEORGE ECKERSLEY and SARAH. He was born 1837 in Lowton, Lancs. Occupation.Post Office Supervisor. Emma's death registered by son John H. Eckersley of 32 River St. Pendlebury.
The Williamson were in fact an old Eccles/Pendleton family which you can see on my website (see my profile below)
:D :D
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What an amazing website, Mobo!
Rather puts my amateurish efforts to shame. Made me wonder, though, whether your John Whittaker Williamson, b. 1805, might have known my William Dyson b. 1795 - same location, and same sort of occupation, variously "grocer", and "master carter". Mention of all those places of baptisms, marriages, burials. etc. brings it all into sharp relief for me; have only been to the Manchester area once in my life, to watch a Man Utd. v. Spurs game about 13 years ago with my brother, when we stayed in the Trafford Hotel, which I think used to be Trafford Town Hall.
But Salford is an area I shall visit soon to make sense of all this geography...
Keith
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:D :D
Glad you liked the site Keith - however if you're visiting Salford, you'll be hard pressed to find any of the 'old' streets and roads. Chapel Street is still standing though, as it's the main road into Manchester, and Sacred Trinity Church still stands on it.
You can see more on old Salford on the Genuki site
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Salford/
Happy hunting
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Hi,
I too have lived in Swinton all my life and grew up not far from the Acme mill, I went to St Mary's school which was almost opposite the Mill. You can see the school and Mill on Lowrys painting.
I have attached a map of Swinton and Pendlebury with the Acme Mill, Pendlebury Station and Railway Terrace marked with an x for you and any fellow Swinton and Pendlebury fans to study!
All the information you have been told by people answering your posting is correct.
Regard Wallie
Enjoy the map!!
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Hi,
If there is anything else I can help with let me know, you can also see an older map on my website www.thewallworks.co.uk just follow the link Swinton and Pendlebury history this map is much older than the one I have posted above, it is very interesting showing Station Road as Burying Lane and Swinton hall Road as Bury Lane and Jane Lane and many other little facts about Swinton and Pendlebury.
Hope you enjoy them
Regards Wallie
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Hi Wallie,
My initial request has borne fruit in so many ways over the last few weeks, after a rather uncertain beginning. Your comments, and the map and suggestions you have produced are really the icing on the cake. All it needs here, obviously, is a little patience, then someone else comes on to this incredible Rootschat website (often a newcomer swelling the membership) and more details are magically revealed.
Thank you so much for your help in all this...
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Hi Keith,
Glad I could help and thanks very much for the nice reply! :)
Best Wishes
Wallie :)
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Wallie,
I may seem to be coming back to this well once too many times, and I have actually sent a PM to Tallboy with the same question (though I'm not entirely sure if he's still active on this site). I've really scoured the excellent map above, but can find no mention of GREEN STREET, which is where William Dyson died, at number 7, in 1869. No sign of it today on the modern A-Z, but I feel it must be somewhere in the Pendlebury area off the Bolton Rd, as the Dyson family did not shift far - something I've been able to realise from all the local help and knowledge I've had on this thread...
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Hi Keith,
I have some other maps of the area, so I will have a look for Green Street for you.
I am also going to the local history library next week, so if we haven't found it by then I will have a look there for you.
Tallboy was sending messages for a while, but I haven't heard from him lately, I wondered if he had gone on holdiay??
My Mum was good friends with a Joan Dyson from Swinton. There was a big family of Dyson's who lived over Clively (Clifton) when I was at school during the 60/70's
Anyway, I'll see what I can come up with on Green Street for you.
regards wallie :)
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Hi, Wallie,
Thanks so much for taking my case on board. At this rate this particular Lancashire thread could run and run. By the way, I was MOST impressed by your Wallwork website, all sorts of good things on there from this area of N.W.England...
Keith
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Hi Keith,
There dosen't seem to have ever been a Green Street in Pendlebury.
But there was one in Pendleton, which is very close to Pendlebury. Green Street Pendleton was behind Broad Street near to the junction with Brindle Heath Road not far from the Woolpack.
Have you checked the 1861 and 1871 census for this address?
This may help in you finding out who William Dyson was living with at the time...
credit goes to tallboy for this information.
I have attached a map of the area with Green Street highlighted for you to look at.
I think that it is more than likely that this is your Green Street.
Regards Wallie
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Hi again, Wallie,
Thanks so much for this. I have found William Dyson in the 1861 Census, and also his surviving widow, living with her family in the 1871 Census. However, I have not looked up who was occupying Green Street, (Pendleton) during these Censuses to see whether there was any family connection there, or perhaps some kind of infirmary or hospital.
The death certificate does plainly state "Pendlebury", though the only Green Street in the area is obviously the one in Pendleton you have so kindly pinpointed with this map.
And now an embarrassed admission - the "7" that I read, and thought went with "Green Street" is the schedule number or the number of the listing on the page of deaths. But as you, or Tallboy, have pointed out (thank goodness!), there only appear to be about 7 houses in the street anyway.
It may be that William and Betty Dyson just occupied one of the house in Green Street for a short while up to his death in 1869...
Very best wishes, (and a visit possibly imminent next month to the Salford area),
Keith
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Hi Keith,
Glad to be of help! and hope you enjoy your visit to Salford!!
I'm not hundred percent sure of this, but I think the death certificate puts the place of where the death was registered ie Pendlebury, one of my great Uncles died in a football match disaster in Bolton his death certificate had Bolton on it, but we know for sure that he didn't live there.. but Bolton being the place where the death was registered.... perhaps some one else could confirm this ....
Regards Wallie :) :) :D :) :)
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Hi again, Wallie,
I should have considered this, and thanks for your Bolton example, however tragic it must have been for your family at the time...
Keith
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Wallie,
I've just had another thought, resulting in this question: on the excellent map you have displayed, are the lines shown in the middle of Broad Street tram lines, rather than railway lines?
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Hi Keith,
Yes the lines on Broad Street are definitely tram lines, the railway lines are a bit further up, running through Pendleton Station. Hope this helps you.
Regards Wallie :D :) :D
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Wallie,
Your map is excellent. I'd be interested in one with that level of detail myself. Is it one of the Alan Godfrey ones?
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Hi, Wallie,
Thought they might be tram lines, but just needed your expert opinion on it. So it didn't matter too much which side of the tracks you lived on, you simply walked across to whichever pub or billiard hall you preferred to patronise. A map such as this one simply brings the whole neighbourhood and local community to life - there's a picture theatre as well...
Keith
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Keith,
I used to live on Church Street, just opposite the old Pendlebury Station on the A666.
A small proportion of the civil structure of the station still survives to this day.
I went down there and took some pictures, which will hopefully make it onto www.disused-stations.org.uk in due course (along with some images of what used to be Pendleton Station, which of course was the victim of arsonists and then neglect in the 1990's).
I've already done Worsley Station and Monton Green on there, Walkden Low Level is work in progress.
If you wish I could e-mail you some of the pics of "What's left of Pendlebury Station"!
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Phill,
Now, that would be wonderful if you could! So important to make a (photographic) record of places that people might soon only remember, once they have gone. I've PM-ed you with my e-mail address, so look forward to seeing some of those pictures.
Very best wishes,
keith
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Swinton and Pendlebury Journal; Friday 3rd 1960
Station Closure is a Retrograde Step
Until four years ago there were five railway stations in Swinton and Pendlebury and neighbouring Irlams O’ Th’ Height. Then British Railways closed Irlams O’ Th’ Height station. Next stage was the decision to shutdown Pendlebury Station on Sundays. Now comes the latest move - the proposed closure of Pendlebury Station completely, because it is operating uneconomically. This will leave the Borough with only Swinton, Moorside, and Clifton Junction Stations. Which will be the next to go? It was suggested at a meeting of the Borough Council on Monday - when it was agreed that a protest should be lodged with the Transport Commission - that it may be Moorside.
Mr Whitehead said the closing of Pendlebury Station on Sundays was the thin end of the wedge, with millions being spent on highways to cope with the rapidly growing traffic and they were told traffic would ultimately multiply threefold by 1974. Yet British Railways went on closing stations which might in time provide relief for desperately overburdened roads. People who use buses between Manchester and Wigan through the Borough had enough experience of that already.
The next thing would be the closing of Moorside Station, yet if thought appeared to be given, for instance to the number of people who use the local station so well for day and half day excursions in the summer, besides which there were big industrial developments in the Clifton Valley, to where men could have been after they bought from outside areas on the Wigan side.
Their Duty
British Railways have made an excellent case for closing the station he said, but it is their duty to provide a service that meets the needs of the public. They may say that people will not go to the station, but if the service is attractive enough, they will go.
Mrs Crompton also thought the closure of retrograde step. Whenever one travelled home about teatime and saw the great queues for buses, knowing that people would lose 30 or 40 minutes of their evening in the struggle to get home, one wondered why the public seem to have forgotten the value of the railway.
Shortsighted
Councillor Sharples for British Railways were shortsighted in closing the station. It would affect people use the train to get to work and there was apparently no thought for future traffic using the station with the development of Agecroft Colliery. If they would only brighten up the stations, they would attract some of the people who are congesting the roads.
Councillor Shaw disagreed and said he could not see people travelling from Wigan getting off at Pendlebury and walking a couple of miles to Agecroft because there were no bus fares from Pendlebury Station to Agecroft. After all, a station was like a business and must be run economically.
As one who went to Wigan regularly, Councillor Harrison said he would be one affected by the closure, although there were time when he appeared to be the only passenger, he had to admit.
To go instead to Swinton station would add 7d to the fare and at least 10 minutes to the journey. He added I support the protest although I fear the evidence is against us
Many use the station in summer of course, and if it was closed the railway would lose altogether the custom of those who normally travel from Manchester to there.
Councillor Suggate said that although the station was not economic at the moment it did not mean it could not be made so ultimately following the redevelopment of Pendlebury, which was to come, they were going to need alternative means of travel.
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It later transpired that shutting the station would save £2,199 per year
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Swinton and Pendlebury Journal, Friday October 7, 1960
Death of a station
Swinton man makes late-night trips just to be last
The 11:21 train from Manchester arrived at Pendlebury Station on Saturday night. There were only six people aboard, and one of them was a man who had made a special trip to Pendleton just to be on the train, for, with the closure of the station, it was the last train to stop at Pendlebury. The man was 37-years-old shopkeeper Mr Jackson, proprietor of 419 Chorley Road, Swinton.
Mr Jackson makes something of a hobby travelling on last trains. When he lived at Crumpsall, Manchester he travelled to Irlams o’ th’ Height to perform a similar solitary private ceremony in connection with the closure of the station there. He obtained the last ticket issued at Irlams o’ th’ Height station on March 3, 1956.
On Saturday, Mr Jackson caught the Manchester bound train from Pendlebury at 10:48 p.m. to Pendleton and returned on the 11:16 train to see the porter at Pendlebury Mr D. White extinguish the gas lamps on the station, close the doors for the last time and issue Mr Jackson with the last ticket, from Pendlebury to Swinton. Mr Jackson has travelled to many parts of Britain for more than 10 years in connection with the closure of railway lines, stations and tram routes.
The day after the closure of Pendlebury Station he took part in a 44-mile tour by three special tram cars in Sheffield to mark the abandonment of tramways there. Tomorrow he hopes to ride in one of the last Sheffield tramcars used for the final ceremonial procession in the evening.
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Phill,
This is wonderful! Having received those photos from you as well, I really feel that this subject couldn't have been more fully covered now...
Very best wishes,
Keith
p.s. I wonder whether the amazing Mr Jackson added some more "last trains stopping at..." after 1960...
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Thank you so much. I was not sure if the "Acme Mill" was the only one in Pendlebury in 1871. Thanks again for heading me in this direction
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Bab,
Welcome to Rootschat, the most amazing source of all kinds of fascinating family history. If you had an interest in the mills in this area, there's a huge amount of detail on this thread, as you've probably discovered. No thanks to me, I just posed a question or two and several people with good local knowledge came to my rescue and set it down for me or for anyone else interested.
Nice to see this thread come to life again, first time since May last year...
Regards, keith
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Thanks again. My great grandfather, Robert McBride lived at 166 Bury Lane in 1871 and 79 Bury lane in 1881. It seemed the whole family worked at the Cotton Mill. I have only found him in Hyde after my grandmother was born in 1888. He had disappeared and I have no other information on him. not even his death. My grandmother remarried and came to the USA in 1904. I was curious about the McBride side of the family and where they came from.
Thank you again
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Thanks again. My great grandfather, Robert McBride lived at 166 Bury Lane in 1871 and 79 Bury lane in 1881. It seemed the whole family worked at the Cotton Mill. I have only found him in Hyde after my grandmother was born in 1888. He had disappeared and I have no other information on him. not even his death. My grandmother remarried and came to the USA in 1904. I was curious about the McBride side of the family and where they came from.
Thank you again
Hello and Welcome Bab,
I've got lots of Manchester McBrides.... I'd be interested to hear about all yours... maybe I can help out somehow.
:)
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While we are on the subject of Pendlebury - is this where Pendlebury Hill would be?
My Grandfather was crushed by a runaway tram (top of hill) which crashed into his cart (at bottom of hill) in about 1914-16 ish. The driver was killed and my grandfather survived but his spine was damaged (he was only about 14).
Has anyone local ever heard of this?
Thanks
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Hi again, Bab,
I've just come across a reference to the "Acme Spinning Co. Ltd" - not sure whether this refers to the Acme Mill, but is says that the Salford Archives Centre has a Minute Book 1904-1920 (U 280/AM 1).
No idea what it might contain, but there could be a mention of some of the people who worked there...
This is from a little book I bought recently, "Records of British Business and Industry 1760-1914: Textiles and Leather" produced by The Royal Commission on Historical Manuscripts.
And, Milly, you need someone who has a bit of local knowledge about Pendlebury Hill to come on here and answer your question - they are certainly out there somewhere! Good luck...
keith
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The McBrides in My family Appear in the 1871, 1881 & 1891 census.
Robert McBride was the son of David McBride and Susan (Holiday) who were married at "The Catholic and Parish Church" on 10 Feb 1850. They had 13 children. They lived at 8 Anvill Street when they got married. The census has Robert as being born in 1864. He married Sarah Jane (Entwistle). My grandmother Ada McBride was born 17 Jul 1888, Christened at St georges, Hyde Cheshire 17 Oct 1888. That is all i know about Robert In the 1901 census I have Sarah Jane (Entwistle) married to George Black. I do not know when. She came to USA in 1904.
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Reply to Milly about Pendlebury Hill?? ??? ???
I have never come accross anywhere called Pendlebury Hill? and couldn't find it on any of my old maps for you.
Do you know where abouts this Pendlebury Hill was? or any other landmarks or names of roads. I am very familiar with Swinton, Pendlebury and Clifton and the history of these places.
You could look in the newspapers at Salford Archives for a report in 1915/16 for the accident, it would give you more information, also there would probably have been an inquest.
good luck
wallie :) :)
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Thanks Wallie,
I'm afraid I don't know any more than that. I had supposed that it was somewhere in the Newton area. He worked as a mechanic for a company called Suttons (possibly in Potts St, Ancoats) later and I had always thought he had been with them all his career but maybe not.
Will arrange a trip to Salford Archives at some point and see what I can dig up.
thanks
:) :)
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Thank you for your reply. I'm sorry if I mislead you. I was looking for the Pendlebury Mill. I now know it was the Acme Mill. Thanks again
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hi
Julia Gregory here just starting looking at my dyson side of my family tree, my great grandma was Sarah Dyson born in Pendlebury. wonder do we have any connections, would be grateful of any info. thanks
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Just found this web site looking for an old map of Clifton - my mother came over from Ireland in the war to work at the local Chloride battery factory (making submarine batteries) in Clifton. She lodged with the Dyson family on Clively Avenue - from memory it was Annie she lived with but I can remember a Fred also. If you think this is the same Dyson family I will ask my mum (86) if she can remember anything more. I am sure Annie is still alive also.
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Have you found your map of Clifton? If not I can send you one, do you want the Chloride on it? My Dad worked there after the war for many years, along with other family members
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Hi, Julia and Hilto77, welcome to Rootschat!
For whatever reason, Julia, your post in July this year was not flagged up on my e-mails, so that is why I have not acknowledged your query and why the welcome is so belated; before that I hadn't been active on here since April 2007, and had thought the trail had gone completely cold - have had a great deal of helpful info on the railways and the station on here up to then.
I must have a rummage through my (hopelessly disorganised) records to see whether we have a DYSON connection or not.
Thanks so much for reviving things on here, by the way; will be back in touch soon!
Very best wishes,
keith
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Wallie
The map of Clifton I am trying to find is to locate a row of cottages on Clifton Moss in about 1905-1910. This is where my father John Hilton was born. I wonder if your father would have worked with my mother (Aldine nee White) at Chloride just after the war.
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HI,
I have had a look on my maps, but it cuts off before Clifton sorry! but I did look on google maps and I think the cottages may well be still standing in Moss Colliery Road?? Clifton.. It may be worth you having a look for yourself. If not Salford Archives will have a map of the clifton area if you can manage to get down there at peel park. I think we have a map of Kearsley which may include Clifton Moss, I'll get back to you if I find it...
Good Luck
kind regards
:)
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Hi All
Have only just come across this after trying to find out more about the Acme & Albion Mills.
I can't tell you how pleased I was to find this tread though not sure if it is still going, but thought I'd give it a go just in case.
You mentioned that the mills went into electric power ( I think you said in the early 1900's) I just thought you might like to know that my Uncle Wilfred Oven's job was to include replacing the steam engines with electric generators & Transformers to power the ring spinning & mule spinning machinery.It is believed the old machinery found it's way to India & sowed the seeds of the cotton slump in the sixties when cheap cotton imports from India flooded the market.
As to what I would love to know is which of the L S lowry paintings is the Acme Mill? as I have seen 3 mill painting and they all look like deferant mills to me.
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Thank you for your time and such a brill tread. :)
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Hello and welcome to Rootschat ;D ;D
Could it be Lowry's "Street Scene"....
http://www.rootschat.com/links/05cw/
Milly
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:)Milly
Thanks for that I will have a look at that one.
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Marge
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Hi! I just found this thread by googling pendlebury train station. I won't elaborate on Pendlebury station as you've all covered brilliantly. I'm interested in all aspects of local history for swinton and pendlebury (I attended St Augustines) and particularly clifton green/junction area as I grew up on Clively estate. I know I'm going off topic - apologies. Does anyone know if there used to be a hall in the Clively area? Not Clifton Hall - too far away. There was a wall that formed part of our garden boundary on the field side of Copeland Avenue. The general belief was that it was the remaining part of an old boundary and I know there were lots of rights of way in the vicinity, these are now pretty much inaccessible now due to lack of use, but there were even steps formed into the hillside that led down into the valley toward Clifton Junction. I can't find any other evidence to back this up but wondered if anyone else knows more. I live in Norfolk now so can't get to local history library
Loops
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Hello,
I think that you are referring to Agecroft Hall which used to be down Lumms Lane. It was taken to pieces and shipped to Virginia where it still stands as a musuem.
Clifton Hall was near to Clifton Station, Agecroft Hall stood near Lumms Lane. It actually came under the district of Pendlebury. As you will see from the history of the hall it was a huge place, with lots of garden and land. At least it is still standing, and being looked after, which I doubt it would have been if it had been left here.
Here are a couple of links to websites about it, that you will find interesting.
It also shows on a map where the hall stood, and the ground it covered.
http://www.bleasdales.eclipse.co.uk/prestwichguide/where/history/agecroft.htm
http://www.agecrofthall.com/
kind regards
Lizzie
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Lizzie,
Very interesting...and I thought it was only the old London Bridge that was taken down and piece by piece shipped off across the Atlantic,
keith
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I can't see it being part of the boundary wall of Agecroft Hall - seems too far away and the rights of way are on the wrong side of the wall. Wasn't Agecroft Hall situated in the area where Thermalite used to be? There is a new housing estate there now named after it and the place it was shipped to - Windsor Farms in Richmond VA
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Hi Loops
I had a look on the Pendlebury 1907 map for you, and where Copeland Avenue now stands, there was a big house with what looks like gardens - the place was called Clively Bank, no name to the hall or building, next to this was Birch Woods. Pepper Hill is the other side of Rake Lane. I will try and scan it to send you tomorrow, and next time I am at Salford Local History Library I will see what I can find out about it for you, as you have now got me intrigued about it all. I had a best friend from school who lived in Clively Avenue, and for a short time in Copeland, so I know the area, and remember the remains of the wall at the back of Copeland as we used to cut through there to Lumms Lane to see the horses. Hope this helps you
regards
Lizzie :)
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Hi Loops,
I just found this for you in a book - The History and Traditions of Clifton by Alfred Gaskell........ it looks like the Knowles lived in the house, they owned the coal mines and built the WW1 war memorial to the miners at the top of Agecroft Road, which my two great Uncles are remembered on, there is a full list of men on my website under the War Memorials of Swinton and Pendlebury page, If any one is looking for relatives honoured on war memorials in this area.
bye for now
Lizzie
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That is absolutely fantastic! Thanks. It's the nearest I've got to finding anything definite out. Living 300 miles away makes investigation a bit difficult. Who was your friend that lived on Copeland? I lived there from 1972 until 1996. My parents only sold up a year ago.
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Here is part of a map of Pendlebury showing City Walk and the house and grounds. I have also highlighted Pendlebury Train Station.
best wishes
Lizzie (Wallie)
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Hi Keith,
The thing I enjoy most about history is - you never know what will turn up next... and they always say that you learn somthing new everyday. How true this can be sometimes.
That's what makes history so addictive for me....
best wishes
Lizzie (Wallie)
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This maybe of interest
"The Swinton and Pendlebury Journal of 7 October 1960 reported that the last train to call at Pendlebury station was the 23:21 from Manchester Victoria to Wigan on the previous Saturday (1 October 1960) - there were 6 people aboard one of whom was a 37-years-old shopkeeper Mr Jackson, proprietor of 419 Chorley Road, Swinton. Mr Jackson reportedly bought the last ticket ever issued at Pendlebury station from the porter Mr D. White - a single to Swinton. Mr Jackson also reportedly travelled to Irlams o' th' Height on March 3, 1956 to purchase the last ever ticket issued there."
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Hi Keith.
My family came up from Bilston Staffs to work in the mines at Pendlebury.
I have the death certs of both my g.g.grandparents
174.Bolton Road Pendlebury.
also 174 North Road Pendlebury. both the same address.
they lived first at George Street. off Bury lane then Railway terrace.
Names Thomas Beddard b. 1819 d.1886
Louisa Beddard.b.1820.d.1859.
my g.grandmother.
Eliza Beddard.
married John Bennett lived on Bolton Road Pendlebury.
attended St,Augustine's and buried there.
However I can not seem to find where Thomas and Louisa were buried.
any ideas.
thanks dollface.
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Hi all,
I lived in copeland up until 1989/90. The wall on to the back fields was the garden wall of the phillip's house which ran round the back of the houses half way down the avenue. I didnt know about any big house being on the site, any info would be appreciated.
Thanks
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@treblewinner. I lived on Copeland from 1972 to 1996. No 6. Our back wall was part of the boundary wall. If you look through earlier on this thread there is an old map which clearly shows the boundary wall of the old house. You can see that the boundary is almost exact shape of Copeland.
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Is that a Mr D. W. with 2 girls ?
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It is - who is that? I'm the eldest (but smallest) girl
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@treblewinner. I have a copy of the 1907 area map. I can send you a copy if you email me. Don't know if this forum supports private messaging?
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Well, that would be Lucy...
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That would be right - who is that?
Did you look back on this thread about Clively Bank House and the 1907 map?
A website that might interest you is kersalflats.co.uk - there is loads of local stuff on there. Run by an old Clifton lad.
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S.M.? J.H?
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the latter indeed
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the penny did drop - the name was a bit of a giveaway
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Hi keith I live in pendlebury and have done all my life so has my nan who is 92 pendlebury train station was where the new isis is on the a6 there is a tunnel just past the macdonalds on the a6 and straight after the tunnel the train station was it had loads of steps and was a nightmare to get to but they pulled it down well into the late 60s apparently if a 92 year old is to be listened to as for lowry yes he lived there and i met him as a child 117 station road. swinton train station is on a different line to the old pendlebury station hope this is of help
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Denise,
Lovely to hear all this, and wonderful to think that you and your Nan have such happy memories of the Pendlebury area, particularly meeting with Lowry himself.
I'm beginning to believe that David Hockney is a bit of a modern-day Lowry, and as his exhibition in London is a sell-out, I think I shall head north to view some of his other paintings up there, Saltaire I'm told...
regards, keith
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Somebody has done a good job on Wikipedia regarding railway stations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendlebury_railway_station
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KGarrad,
What an interesting and comprehensive summary that is...
I must admit I was a bit perplexed by the earlier reference to "New Isis", but Wikipedia has put me straight!
regards, keith
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Hi guys, new to the site, been reading the thread and can't believe its been going for so long.
I've lived in Pendlebury all my life and love the local history.
Something in regards to Agecroft Hall you may fine interesting, I've cut this picture from Google Maps.
Standing in Virginia, USA to this day.
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1406/agecrofthall.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/209/agecrofthall.jpg/)
:)
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A few other images I'm sure you will enjoy, cut from David Dimbleby's A Picture Of Britain.
LS Lowry Coming Out Of Pendlebury Station:
(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/413/lowrypendlbury.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/lowrypendlbury.jpg/)
LS Lowry Crossing Bolton Road Outside Pendlebury Station:
(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4571/lowrypendlbury1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/521/lowrypendlbury1.jpg/)
A Skyline Shot Possibly Of Pendlebury?
(http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/4968/pendlebury.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/838/pendlebury.jpg/)
Lowry Worked As A Rent Collector When He Wasn't Painting, Perhaps This Was Pendlebury:
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/7779/lowryrentcollecting.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/713/lowryrentcollecting.jpg/)
Perhaps Somebody Could Tell Me If This Is In Pendlebury:
(http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/7996/pendlbury.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/36/pendlbury.jpg/)
Another Snap Of Pendlebury Station I Found On My Travels:
(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4761/pendleburystation.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/705/pendleburystation.jpg/)
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Great photo's Johnathan :D
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Dear All especially Wallie
Here is a picture taken at Pendlebury station.
The two sisters shown are my grandmother's (Annie LEES) maiden aunts Betsy and Ellen ROYLE. They were voluntary lady porters there during the first world war. Annie's father knew Lowry and the extended family lived in Station Road.
In particular their mother's side were Greenhalghs from "Dumb Hill Farm" Does that mean anything to anyone?
Betsy and Ellen's grandmother was Elizabeth WALLWORK 1811 - 1865
Any bells ringing?
Louise
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lol...It took me a while to find the reply button!
WOW! what an amazing photo...love it. It is a fabulous piece of history too
Merry Christmas
Lizzie (Wallie) :D :)
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I have just been out for a walk with my camera to get some snaps of Pendlebury Station as it stands now. I gained access to the railway embankment, I really shouldn't have I know, but it's all for the sake of local history :)
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4761/pendleburystation.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/84/pendleburystation.jpg/)
(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/5033/stationy.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/515/stationy.png/)
I took this picture from roughly the same perspective as the old picture, you can clearly see where the door once was, and if you look carefully you see a difference in the colour of bricks where the post box to the left of the station once was.
(http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/1995/sdc10086si.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/846/sdc10086si.jpg/)
This picture is from the rear of the station, on the embankment, it is what is left of what supported the steps down to the platform by the looks of it.
This next one is took looking towards what would have been the back of the station, it looks to me that this was what would have been the top of the steps leading to the platform.
(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/4813/stationn.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/stationn.png/)
This was towards the bottom of what would have been the steps, looks like an old notice board.
(http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/2287/signsa.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/560/signsa.png/)
Here is another one of the staircase support, from a different perspective.
(http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3850/sdc10091o.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/203/sdc10091o.jpg/)
Here is a picture taken from the bridge off Ethel Avenue, you can clearly see where the platform once once between the two tracks.
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5379/sdc10118l.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/339/sdc10118l.jpg/)
And finally, this is taken from the side of what was the main building of the station.
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4915/sdc10112.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/145/sdc10112.jpg/)
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Fabulous photo's!
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I just found this site by googleing Acme cotton mill. I live in USA but was born in Salford. My maternal grandfather was an engineer at Acme. Also lived at 479 Bolton Rd.,Pendlebury. My mother had a hair salon at same address and grandmother had a little hardware shop. My Mom passed last year and I'm trying to find cemetery where grandmother is buried to place some of Mom's ashes with her. Also since I was little was told about the bombing of factory during WWII. We have a piano with shrapnel from that bombing. My Mom attended Clairemount School, 1928. Any advice where I should start to find correct cemetery.
Thank you in for any help.
ElsieUSA
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Hi, Henry,
Thanks very much for that lovely clear picture of the Acme Mill. I don't suppose you know how recently it was demolished, do you?
And I take it now that a station called Pendlebury never existed, that Swinton station was/is the only one in the area...
Very best wishes,
Keith
Well acctually there was a pendlebury station near the isis and there also was an irlams o th height station in the area as well. And there are remains of pendlebury station where it was. so to find out more go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendlebury_railway_station
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Re Elsie USA my 93 year old mum remembers your grandmother and gave me a newspaper cutting of her wedding. I am not sure how to get that to you as I am a total novice!
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Both of you need to make 3 posts, and then the PM (Personal Message) system will be open to you!
There's a document icon underneath a poster's avatar - green if they are online; white if they are offline. Click on that.
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Thanks for that hopefully she will come back on line if she gets an email
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Finnbo99
You will need to make 3 posts to use the PM system 9send and receive)...Reply to this and you are good to go.
Milly
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Thanks Milly does Elsie also need to make 3 posts or will I be able to make contact by PM?
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Yes - both people need 3 posts so you will have to wait unfortunately. She should get an email notification that there have been replies here and then will see this.
Milly
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Dont know if this thread is still live - Ive just recently renewed my interest in Pendlebury since I was born there and keen to renew my memories of the area. Pendlebury station did exist in 1960 when I left the area. Perhaps someone can recall whether the walkway leading down to the steps to the platform was made up of sleeper type wooden beams as I seem to recall. Also what happened to the other pair of lines which I believe formed some sort of station bypass. We, as kids, used to refer to the two pairs of lines as fast and shunt lines. Living in Shirley ave. at the top of Agecroft hill we spent most of our spare time train spotting from the sand-hills now built up with a housing development. The Acme mill we walked past when using a footpath which led to the Victoria Park and park Clinic. Any other recollections would be very interesting.
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i worked at the acme mill in about 1977 it had been taken over at that point by cussons packing gift sets there and there was a company that made suitcases on the other floors , i worked for cussons there as a young 16 year old on the belts putting the bottle openers ( remember them! ) golf ball soaps , soap on the ropes and golf tees in the golf set which included 2 golf ball soaps !! lol to name but a few, have very fond memories of some of the other young kids i worked with was quite upset to see it had gone so pleased that someone has put a photo on here thank you for that
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Revisiting my Pendlebury connection with a new but related query.
My GGGrandfather William Royle lived in Pendlebury/Swinton in the late 19th century. A while ago I posted a pic of his daughters on a bench on Pendlebury station on this thread.
Anyway he was a publican, on a baptism he gives his address as Hall Street. Would this be the same or different to Swinton Hall road? He also lived off Bolton Road and in Station rd. The old pubs of Salford mentions the Spinners pub where ACMe mill workers used to drink, also known as the stinking stocking.
Might any of these be connected or is it all wishful thinking
thanks
L
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Found it! The Showboat, 3 Hall street.
L
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There was a railway station called Pendlebury which was alongside Bolton Road A666 not far from the mill.
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The link below is a list of closed railway stations in the Salford Area. I believe Pendlebury was between Swinton & Salford Crescent. There are a lot more though. If you look at Google maps in satellite view you can see old railway line track beds especially around Walkden, that are now walking paths or guided bus corridors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_closed_railway_stations_in_Greater_Manchester#Salford
I used to live off Station road a few metres from the house L.S. Lowry lived at. There's also a real life Coronation street near by. I believe Acme mill was demolished in 1984.
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It was demolished in 1984. My grandmother and all her family worked there. They lived on Swinton Hall Road. Have you seen the video of the operatives in 1901? https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/watch-operatives-of-acme-spinning-company-pendlebury-1901-1901-online
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Pendlebury Station was between the Cliveley Road bridge and the tunnel mouth to the NW.
https://goo.gl/maps/mYht7beneYTYcFu68
Acme Mill was due west of the station, if you scan W on that link you will see Old Mill Cl. and Acme Cl.