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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Staffordshire => England => Staffordshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: penbex86 on Sunday 27 July 14 09:18 BST (UK)
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Morning,
Can anyone do a look up for me?
From the census records I have, and a rough family tree published in Coalport China (M Messenger), I am led to believe that Peter Stephan was born 1796 in Shelton.
He also presumed to have two brothers born their too; William (1798/9) and Henry (1801).
I have found a marriage for Peter Stephan & Hannah Johnson (1801) which I understand to be their parents but want a little clarity if possible.
I've looked at the records now available on FindMyPast but can't find them!
Stephan was sometimes spelt Strephon...
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If I am looking at the right Peter he marries Susanna Bradley in 1850, does that certificate name Peter as his father.
If the 1801 marriage is correct have you considered that the children may have been baptised as Johnson.
Rosie
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Hi on his marriage to Hannah he is a modeller. 1851/61/71 census perhaps his son Peter? bn 1796 has the same occupation. His wife is Susannah nee Nickless.(Anc family post)
There is a Henry and a Peter in 1841 census ages rounded off.
Sorry I'm not of much help.
Tinam
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If I am looking at the right Peter he marries Susanna Bradley in 1850, does that certificate name Peter as his father.
If the 1801 marriage is correct have you considered that the children may have been baptised as Johnson.
Rosie
That's the one Rosie! Susannah was his second wife having married Sarah Shenton previously. And yes Peter is listed as Father. Problem is they liked the name Peter and I'm just wondering if there's another generation between them and the infamous Pierre/Peter Stephan as he would of been 56 when he had my ancestor Peter in 1796.
I didn't think to look at Johnson... may be worth a look!
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Hi on his marriage to Hannah he is a modeller. 1851/61/71 census perhaps his son Peter? bn 1796 has the same occupation. His wife is Susannah nee Nickless.(Anc family post)
There is a Henry and a Peter in 1841 census ages rounded off.
Sorry I'm not of much help.
Tinam
Peter Jr (b1796) did have the same occupation - modeller. He was well known in the Coalport area for his work.
Thanks for your help, I have all the census/marriage info for Peter (1796), I am just now trying to trace back and get some clarity on his birth place/mothers name. His Dad is definitely Peter Stephan.
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bump for some help :)
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Anyone going to the Archives sometime soon that may be able to help? Pretty please!
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Anyone going to the Archives sometime soon that may be able to help? Pretty please!
Sorry but I am 'down south' and Tina is the other side of the world :( The records on FindMyPast are I think from what I have seen elsewhere still being loaded to the site. You may have to be patient. ;)
Rosie
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Anyone going to the Archives sometime soon that may be able to help? Pretty please!
Sorry but I am 'down south' and Tina is the other side of the world :( The records on FindMyPast are I think from what I have seen elsewhere still being loaded to the site. You may have to be patient. ;)
Rosie
Thanks for letting me know Rosie. I started researching this branch 3years ago before i got engaged and now I'm married and have a little time to spare, I've become impatient haha. The ones I want are definitely not on FindMyPast yet :( ... I be also emailed Staffordshire archives to see how much it would cost them to look them up for me.
Have a nice break x
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Forgive me for this, but I'm not seeing many connections, so far with Staffordshire. :-\
5 February 1877 - burial of Peter Stephan of Jackfield (Shropshire) aged 81 at Jackfield (Shropshire)
17 August 1826 - burial of Sarah Stephan of Coalport (Staffordshire oops! Shropshire ;D) aged 28 at Madelely (Shropshire)
1 August 1850 - marriage of Peter Stephan and Susannah Bradley at Broseley (Shropshire) - William Stephan and Eliza Stephan are witnesses.
4 July 1818 - marriage of Peter Stephan and Sarah Shenton at Broseley (Shropshire) - Elizabeth Stephan a witness.
Added: any baptism for people of Shelton, pre 1834, would possibly have taken place at St Peter in Stoke. The parish of St Mark, Shelton was formed 1843, but baptism records commence 1834.
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Forgive me for this, but I'm not seeing many connections, so far with Staffordshire. :-\
5 February 1877 - burial of Peter Stephan of Jackfield (Shropshire) aged 81 at Jackfield (Shropshire)
17 August 1826 - burial of Sarah Stephan of Coalport (Staffordshire oops! Shropshire ;D) aged 28 at Madelely (Shropshire)
1 August 1850 - marriage of Peter Stephan and Susannah Bradley at Broseley (Shropshire) - William Stephan and Eliza Stephan are witnesses.
4 July 1818 - marriage of Peter Stephan and Sarah Shenton at Broseley (Shropshire) - Elizabeth Stephan a witness.
Added: any baptism for people of Shelton, pre 1834, would possibly have taken place at St Peter in Stoke. The parish of St Mark, Shelton was formed 1843, but baptism records commence 1834.
Hi BumbleB!
That's all the right family but you're right that's it's Shropshire based. They moved to Shropshire sometimes between 1802 and 1818, but it's not clear when exactly.
Peter's mother and father married at st John's Hanley in 1801 . I have a copy of the marriage cert and it is thought that Peter Jnr and one or two of his brothers were born in Shelton (or that area) before they all moved to Shropshire.
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I've just got back from Lichfield Record Office.
The 18 December 1801 marriage for Peter and Hannah Johnson - well, you have the entry. :) But the venue was St Peter in Stoke on Trent, not St John in Hanley.
I checked baptisms at St Peter in Stoke from 1790-1810 and there are no entries for the surname Stephan. I double-checked with the transcribed baptisms. This was the only Anglican Church in SoT at that time.
The only other thought is either non-conformist or Roman Catholic, neither of which are at Lichfield.
I did note that the 1818 marriage is by Licence - it might be interesting to see if the Bond and Allegation have survived, and I believe these would be held at Hereford Records Office. I've found that they invariably have an age for bride and groom, apart from being nice to have ;D
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I've just got back from Lichfield Record Office.
The 18 December 1801 marriage for Peter and Hannah Johnson - well, you have the entry. :) But the venue was St Peter in Stoke on Trent, not St John in Hanley.
I checked baptisms at St Peter in Stoke from 1790-1810 and there are no entries for the surname Stephan. I double-checked with the transcribed baptisms. This was the only Anglican Church in SoT at that time.
The only other thought is either non-conformist or Roman Catholic, neither of which are at Lichfield.
I did note that the 1818 marriage is by Licence - it might be interesting to see if the Bond and Allegation have survived, and I believe these would be held at Hereford Records Office. I've found that they invariably have an age for bride and groom, apart from being nice to have ;D
Oh thank you ever so much and yes you're quite right about the church/location of the marriage - thats just me being dopey. I do have it recorded right, it's just that someone suggested St John Hanley to me previously.
They sometimes spelt the surname Strephon too but I'm sure you would have noticed that if you looked through from 1790-1810. Thank you ever so much for doing that, I really appreciate it.
Peter Stephan Snr whom married Hannah was actually Pierre Stephan and was thought to be french-swiss - Do you think it likely therefore that they may be registered as non-conformist births? - I assume they would be held at Staffs or Stoke.
Interesting to learn about the 1818 marriage for Peter Jnr being by license; might be able to get some more info on that. Do you mind me asking why it would be held at Hereford and not the main Shropshire Archives? I'm in Shrewsbury ya see.
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Yes, I was aware of a possible surname variation, but there was nothing remotely like Stephan.
Marriage Licences were issued by the Diocese - Shropshire was split mainly between Lichfield - north Shropshire, and Hereford - south Shropshire, with one of two areas under Diocese of St Asaph.
I can't attach the appropriate page here on this forum. Not sure if I can do it by PM. I'll try.
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Yes, I was aware of a possible surname variation, but there was nothing remotely like Stephan.
Marriage Licences were issued by the Diocese - Shropshire was split mainly between Lichfield - north Shropshire, and Hereford - south Shropshire, with one of two areas under Diocese of St Asaph.
I can't attach the appropriate page here on this forum. Not sure if I can do it by PM. I'll try.
Ah I see. Apologies for the questions, I've not done much with older parish records yet. Just getting my bearings!
If the message facility doesn't work my email is penbex86 at Hotmail dot com.
Again thank you so so so much for your help.
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thanks Susan x
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Hello girls, I have just joined Rootschat and am researching my family tree which has Henry Stephan/Strephon born 1801 married to a Sarah as father of Emily Stephan who married William Edmund Hancock 1840-1903. Wm Ed was born in Madeley, Shropshire, son of Job Taylor Hancock, my 2x great grandfather. Henry was brother of William 1798-1872 and Peter 1796-1877. I know it doesn't help much with Pierre's history but it may widen your family tree. I live just outside Wrexham and intend visiting Madeley and Coalport in the near future to see what I can find out. Best Wishes Hazel
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Hello girls, I have just joined Rootschat and am researching my family tree which has Henry Stephan/Strephon born 1801 married to a Sarah as father of Emily Stephan who married William Edmund Hancock 1840-1903. Wm Ed was born in Madeley, Shropshire, son of Job Taylor Hancock, my 2x great grandfather. Henry was brother of William 1798-1872 and Peter 1796-1877. I know it doesn't help much with Pierre's history but it may widen your family tree. I live just outside Wrexham and intend visiting Madeley and Coalport in the near future to see what I can find out. Best Wishes Hazel
Hi Hazel. Lovely to come across another Stephan ancestor. I am descended from the Peter Stephan 1796 nd knew of the other 3 brothers but thank you! I am slowly getting more info on old Pierre.
Hope you have a lovely time in Madeley/Coalport, it's a beautiful part of the world.
Penny x
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Hello, I'm new to Rootschat. I've just discovered I'm an ancestor of Pierre Stephan, through Henry Stephan/Strephon b 1801. I'm trying to work out who Henry's mother was - Hannah, married to Pierre in 1801 or Catherine. And who is mother to his siblings, Peter and William.
Does anyone have any further information? Many thanks