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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: Peter Spering on Tuesday 22 July 14 19:39 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone, I'm using Ancestry.co.uk to build my family tree and I'm sifting through Scottish Census records from 1841 and 1851 and I've come across two records that sound appropriate but here's the snag, they don't "align" with each other in some ways.
With both originating from a village, it's unlikely that the similarities are coincidental but I don't want to assign anything that's wrong so I was wondering if anybody on here could help me out? Here's the two records.
1841 Welltrees Sqr Maybole
Archd Clyde 35 Cotton Hand L W b Ireland
Mary Clyde 30
James Clyde 18
Archd Clyde 11
Esabella Clyde 14
John Clyde 9
Neil Clyde 5
John Iglis 35
1851 Ladyland St Maybole
Archibald Clyde 52 Head Hand Loom Weaver Cotton b Ireland
Mary Clyde wife 50
Isabella Clyde 24
Archd Clyde 22
John Clyde 19
Niel Clyde 16
Archd Clyde 6
Margt Meshin 14
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The children's ages look ok. Back then people didn't keep the track of ages as we do now. Sometimes it was something of an estimate. It looks like the same family to me, with Archie being a hand loom weaver as well.
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Looks like the same family to me as well.
Some of these wild swings in parents ages I think is down to children giving the information.
Have you found the 1st. family in 1851 & the 2nd. family in 1841 ?
If not I think that confirms it.
jim
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You also need to be aware that in the 1841 census adults ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 years. Children under 15 were shown with their real ages.
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True but I think the 1841 census is wrong looking at the ages of the older children.
1851 looks more like it.
jim
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Probably just had a bad enumerator who did too much rounding down in 1841.
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You're also far better looking at the copies on Scotlandspeople, as the versions on ancestry are only as good as the abillity of the transcriber to read old handwriting. £7.00 will buy you 30 credits, and locating these records and viewing the copies online will cost you twelve credits, leaving you with three more search options
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In 1841, ages over 20 were supposed to be rounded. 25 could mean 25, 26, 27, 28 or 29. It could also mean 24, as some people said they were 25 when we would say they were "in their 25th year".
From another site:
Welltrees Square, Maybole 1841:
Archibald Clyde, "35" cotton hand loom weaver
Mary Clyde, "30"
James Clyde, 18, apprentice cotton hand loom weaver
Archibald Clyde, 11, apprentice cotton hand loom weaver
Isabella Clyde, 14, cotton land loom weaver
John Clyde, 9
Neil Clyde,5
All are born in Ireland
At Ladyland Street, Maybole, in 1851:
Archibald Clyde, 52, cotton hand loom weaver, b Ireland
Mary Clyde, 50, cotton winder, b Ireland
Isabella, 24, hand loom weaver, b Ireland
Archibald Clyde, 22, cotton hand loom weaver, b Ireland
John Clyde, 19, cotton hand loom weaver, b Glasgow
Neil Clyde, 16, cotton hand loom weaver, b Ireland
Archibald Clyde, 6, grandson, at school, b Maybole
Margaret Meechin, 14, general servant, b Grvan, Ayrshire
Archibald, aged 6, was the son of James and Elizabeth Clyde, who also live in Ladyland Street:
James Clyde, 27, cotton hand loom weaver, b Ireland
Elizabeth Clyde, 27, cotton hand loom weaver, b Girvan, Ayrshire
Mary Clyde, 1, b Glasgow.
In 1861, James and Elizabeth Clyde are in Great Eastern Road, Glasgow, with Archibald, 17, b Maybole, Mary, 11, b Glasgow, James, 9, b Glasgow, John, 7, b Glasgow, Jane, 1, b Glasgow.
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Thanks for the responses everyone.
@GR2 - Do you think then, it's possible for them to be the same family?
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It is definitely the same family.
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I've found discrepancies in adult ages can be significant. Sometimes you can make sense of it through age mother would be when she gave birth. Since we will hope that Mary wasn't 12 when she gave birth to James, you can assume that her age was wildly off in the 1841 census.
The other ages line up well. Seem like they had a boarder in 1841 and a young servant living with them in 1851.
(I always imagine the census taker asking the youngest and least reliable child in the family how old everyone is. Most kids have no idea how old their parents are and '30' could sound as old to them as '40'.)
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Thanks for the responses everyone.
@GR2 - Do you think then, it's possible for them to be the same family?
I'm new to this site and I happened to come across your post. Don't know if it will help in any way but Welltress Square was only built in the early 1970's after the towns tannery was demolished. There was a Welltrees Street. Maybole has a very good web site of their own and there are plenty of people who would be willing to help.
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If it is such a small place it may only have one church. So researching if the BMDs have been transcribed anywhere should pick up all the Clydes in the area. You should start with the local Record Office as well as the county section on here.
Ken
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There was 7 churches in Maybole sadly there is now only 4.
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Hello Peter
Im jumping on board this old post because Id like to confirm that it is the same family
I dont know if the mother is the same woman tho .1 tree on Ancestry has Archibald's wife as Mary Murphy born in Ireland
Im related thru the loom weaver daughter Isabella CLYDE
She married David Blain b 1825 Maybole Aryshire
Their daughter Mary was my great grandmother .
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On scottishpeople site
The son Archibald CLYDE died age 30 in 1861 in Highchurch
Mothers name given as MURPHY
There is a death of Archibald CLYDE (senior?)
1858 age 63 in Old Monkland
With mothers maiden name CAmpbell