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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: Patsy Beech on Saturday 19 July 14 23:31 BST (UK)
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Hi Folk,
This is a bit of a long shot, but I was hoping that someone could find me a record of a marriage and a birth in Dublin.
Charles Edward Ledgerwood, born c1863 in Pett, East Sussex, married a Rosina Amelia (surname unknown) born c1873 Maida Vale. The marriage would be somewhere around 1894 and as their first daughter Gladys Maud Ledgerwood was born in Dublin c1895 I thought the marriage might have also taken place in Dublin. This information has been taken from census returns, but I have been unable to trace a marriage for this Charles and Rosina or birth for Gladys.
To complicate matters even further when Gladys married in 1915 (ending March qtr. Woolwich 1d 1821) she married a Charles Ledgerwood.
Glady's siblings were Charles Edward Ledgerwood born c1899 Aldershot. Leonard H. Ledgerwood born c1903 Chatham. Cyril Algernon Ledgerwood born c1904 Chatham. Alfred James Ledgerwood born c1907 Eltham, Kent & Leslie William Ledgerwood born c1908 Eltham, Kent. Some of those places have strong military connections so do you think there could be a possibility of needing to search military records?
All help greatly appreciated.
Patsy
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There is this but as you can see not quite what you are looking for, quite a coincidence though
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/2fcc550002936
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Can't see anything on FamilySearch the other good source for Civil Registration is off line at the moment.
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&countryId=1927084
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
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Online tree has mother as Rosina Amelia Young (nee Day) born 1872 Godalming Surrey. At time of Gladys birth she was married to Thomas Young so record posted bt Sinan is correct as she was registered as Young.
1901 uk census has Rosina in Aldershot military barracks & Thomas Young is in South Africa
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hi,,definitely military connection,,,in 1911 Charles is a barrack warden and army pensioner.
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2 of the boys joined the Royal Artillery....Charles Edward in 1912 age 14...and Leonard in 1917 age 11 !!!
Charles was a trumpeter...heres a link to his WW1 medal card
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D3330967
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So this is her birth Cert
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBFK-13T
So are the siblings listed in the first post Youngs as well.
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alternative birth reference for Gladys
GLADYS M L YOUNG
b 1895 DUBLIN
Army Service Corps - Commissariat & Transport Corp
Volume 645
Page 215
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CYRIL A L YOUNG b 1904 CHATHAM
Army Service Corps - Commissariat & Transport Corp
Volume 645
Page 215
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Im puzzled as to why there is already a reference to the Ledgerwood surname in Gladys birth?? I could understand the children born to Thomas Young being called Ledgerwood in the 1911 census because Rosina had married Charles,,,,but why the reference to the surname before she got married ?
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it looks like the son Charles Edward was actually Edward Charles,,and he also has the Ledgerwood name in his birth record .
EDWARD C L YOUNG b 1898 ALDERSHOT
Army Service Corps - Commissariat & Transport Corp
Volume 645 Page 215
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LEONARD H L YOUNG
Army Service Corps - Commissariat & Transport Corp
b 1902 CHATHAM
Volume 645 Page 215
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/QJD2-8KWL
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Now im even more confused...lol ;D
marriage
Charles Edward Ledgerwood Rosina Amelia Day 1901 Lambeth vol 1d p 929
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Im puzzled as to why there is already a reference to the Ledgerwood surname in Gladys birth?? I could understand the children born to Thomas Young being called Ledgerwood in the 1911 census because Rosina had married Charles,,,,but why the reference to the surname before she got married ?
I'm puzzled as well, the original record is there and it's very clearly Ledgerwood.
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Ok,,,think ive sussed it,,,,Thomas Young and Charles Edward Ledgerwood are the same man !!
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That
Or Charles Edward is the father but can't marry Rosina for some reason so his best pal Thomas does, gets killed, by than Charles Edward is free to marry her.
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No,,they are the same man ;) I found Thomas Youngs service record,,and on it,,,luckily for us,,it states in red ink,, "alias Charles Edward Ledgerwood " then in brackets M3059
He enlisted in the Army Service Corps in 1884....served 21 years,,discharged Chatham in 1906...his service was described as Exemplary.He was a Company quarter master Sergeant. He was awarded the Egyptian medal 1885,,The South Africa medal 1901 with clasps for Transvaal,Cape Colony,Wittenburg. He was Also mentioned in despatches in 1901.
I wonder if they found out he had enlisted under a false name,,and due to his good service they let him stay in the army...maybe the notation in red ink (M3059) is a reference to some sort of military inquiry that was held ?? Anyway..makes sense of the strange birth references. ;D
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marriage registered 3rd quarter 1891
Rosina Amelia Day Thomas Young Farnham ,Surrey 1891 vol 2a p 200
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N613-RS7
AND registered 1st quarter 1892
Rosina Amelia Day Thomas Young Farnhan,Surrey 1892 vol 2a p 173
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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/QJD2-8K1F
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I was wondering about the name change,,,was he hiding something?
There is a marriage in Camberwell in 1882
Charles Edward Ledgerwood on the same page Emma Ellen Wenman and Maria Hollis.
Was he running away from a first marriage,so joined the army in 1884 ?
there is a birth of an Ellen Emma Wenman in 1859 in Hastings,Sussex
there is a death of an Emma Ellen Ledgerwood in 1899 in Hastings,Sussex,,,she was b 1859.
I might be barking up the wrong tree,,,but thought id throw it out there ;)
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Gortonboy deserves a mention in the despatches for all that
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On Family Tree the tree owner has a note after each childs entry that they were all children of charles ledgerwood while rosina was married to Thomas Young. On their birth registrations after their christian name the letter "L" was included and they took their fathers surname later.
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THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU
I leave the computer for a few hours and come back to three pages of fantastic information - what can I say but WOW!!!!!!!
I am actually researching this family for very good friends down under in Oz who we hope to visit very soon, and I was trying to start off their family tree. That has now turned into a flying start. They will be so thrilled.
Thank You all once again.
Best Wishes and happy searching.
Patsy
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Gortonboy deserves a mention in the despatches for all that
You played your part,,,thanks for the help ;)
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THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU
I leave the computer for a few hours and come back to three pages of fantastic information - what can I say but WOW!!!!!!!
I am actually researching this family for very good friends down under in Oz who we hope to visit very soon, and I was trying to start off their family tree. That has now turned into a flying start. They will be so thrilled.
Thank You all once again.
Best Wishes and happy searching.
Patsy
if you need anything else,,,just ask away ;)
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The Egyptian medal he received was the Egypt medal with clasp for Suakin 1885.
SEE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_Medal
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You will also see on his service record that he received the Khedive bronze star
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khedive's_Star
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The service record states that his "mentioned in despatches " is in the London Gazzette dated 10/09/1901 Although the page doesn't say why he was MID,,it just gives his name ,rank and number. Right hand page,,,4th down ;)
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/27353/page/5957