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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Durham => England => Durham Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Yukon Brat on Thursday 17 July 14 07:06 BST (UK)
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Trying to find marriage record for my 91 year old grandmother's parents Loretta Theresa Garvey (b 1887) and George William Hammond (b 1866).
Marriage more likely took place 1920-1922 because 1st child of the marriage was born 1923.
Second marriage for George after he was widowed in 1913 and first marriage for Loretta who was Catholic and grew up in Sunderland (St Mary's). George was a farmer who lived at house called "NewFound England" (now in Catterick MOD training grounds) in Grinton/Aysgarth/Thornton Rust area of Yorkshire.
No luck with BMD indexes after manual search on both surnames. Family members have looked through numerous parish registers in Sunderland and Aysgarth area. Prior to her marriage, Loretta worked as a nanny for a family that visited the Lake District often and was thought to be quite fond of the area and so we are now thinking she may have chosen to get married here. (Dalton-in-Furness is one place in the Lake District that she visited)
It's a lot of ground to cover and I'm over in Canada, so I'm hoping for some help. Even an unsuccessful lookup will be useful information.
Jane Wilkinson
Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada
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NOTE: This message is also posted on the following boards for lookups - Lancashire, Yorkshire (NR), Cumberland
Trying to find marriage record for my 91 year old grandmother's parents Loretta Theresa Garvey (b 1887) and George William Hammond (b 1866).
Marriage more likely took place 1920-1922 because 1st child of the marriage was born 1923.
Second marriage for George after he was widowed in 1913 and first marriage for Loretta who was Catholic and grew up in Sunderland (St Mary's). George was a farmer who lived at house called "NewFound England" (now in Catterick MOD training grounds) in Grinton/Aysgarth/Thornton Rust area of Yorkshire.
No luck with BMD indexes after manual search on both surnames. Family members have looked through numerous parish registers in Sunderland and Aysgarth area. Prior to her marriage, Loretta worked as a nanny for a family that visited the Lake District often and was thought to be quite fond of the area and so we are now thinking she may have chosen to get married here. (Dalton-in-Furness is one place in the Lake District that she visited)
It's a lot of ground to cover and I'm over in Canada, so I'm hoping for some help. Even an unsuccessful lookup will be useful information.
Jane Wilkinson
Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada
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Any marriage will have been registered, and therefore available on the GRO Indexes?
FreeBMD has transcribed those indexes (coverage up to the 1940s is excellent; after wards is patchy).
Are you sure that George's first wife had died? :-\
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Have tried freebmd, freereg, findmypast and familysearch without any luck.
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Have also looked to see if they hopped over the border from Cumberland to Scotland, but cannot find them there either.
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You may have to accept that they simply never married?! :o ;D
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To Craclyn: Thank you for taking the time. I have also searched ancestry.com quite extensively with no luck.
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To KGarrad:
That they might never have married is definitely a possibility, but of course proving something didn't happen is also tough! And so we keep on hoping and keep on looking. :-\
Besides, my grandmother is quite adamant that her mother was a good catholic girl who would never have considered living in sin! ;) ;) ;)
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Hello,
Do you have details of George's first marriage and the death of his wife?
Have you checked that?
Heywood
Added- found it, I think Frances Hammond?
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To KGarrad:
No luck with auto and manual searches on both names in the GRO marriage indexes on ancestry.com.
I'm reasonably certain the first wife died (aged 50) because i have the GRO death index listing - she was a sickly woman suffering from some kind of degenerative condition.
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To Heywood:
George's first wife was FRANCES HOPPER and related to the Hopper family of auctioneers. Born 1863 in Bainbridge. Married 1890 in Askrigg. 1913 death registered in Leyburn - likely living at NewFound England in Constable Burton at time of death.
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Ancestry use the FreeBMD data for most of their BMD information!
So personally, I prefer to use FreeBMD - as it is the closest to the original source?! ;D ;D
Searching is also much easier!! ;D
www.freebmd.org.uk
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I think the best we can say is that, IF they got married, it wasn't in England or Wales!
So maybe Scotland? (Different records, different indexes)
Or Ireland?
Or even Isle of Man? (Can't see anything, though!)
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It may be best if you stay with one thread and lock the others. Otherwise, you run the risk of the same comments being repeated.
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To KGarrad:
Interesting info on source for BMD data - useful for future reference.
Regarding a marriage taking place beyond Yorkshire or the Lake District, I'm not optimistic. The vast majority of my ancestors tended to be farmers and the like of modest means who preferred to stay put in 'God's Own Country'. :P Even the Lake District is a bit a of a trek!
I haven't got any leads to work with for looking into Scotland. As far as Ireland, my grandmother recently took her first holiday ever at the ripe old age of 91 :o - and went over to Roscommon, Ireland in search of Garvey ancestors - no luck there either.
Cheers
Jane
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Is anything known of Loretta's pre-marriage life? I can't see a marriage for her and you say it was her first marriage but just thinking she would be mid- thirties when her first child was born.
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KGarrard, I did a quick check on scotlandspeople, both statutory registers and Catholic. Came up with nothing on either name there either.
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Hi
I've checked findmypast and the only entry for LTG is her birth
I've also looked at all the GWH from 1920 to 1924 and none fit as a yorkshireman the old saying of "living over the brush" comes to mind will check Family search to see if they have anything
regards
westmoreland
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It's not unknown for Catholic marriages to evade the clutches of the GRO. :-\
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Is anything known of Loretta's pre-marriage life? I can't see a marriage for her and you say it was her first marriage but just thinking she would be mid- thirties when her first child was born.
The family were back in Sunderland in 1911.
Father had died by then, as mother was a widow.
Loretta was a nurse maid.
Ancestry has her as "Loutts"?! ::)
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Is anything known of Loretta's pre-marriage life? I can't see a marriage for her and you say it was her first marriage but just thinking she would be mid- thirties when her first child was born.
The family were back in Sunderland in 1911.
Father had died by then, as mother was a widow.
Loretta was a nurse maid.
Ancestry has her as "Loutts"?! ::)
I am aware of that information. I meant her twenties/ thirties - pre- children.
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Sorry!
I just thought that as I had a bit of trouble finding her . . . . ;D ;D
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I have some info, but not a lot. I am from Regina, Saskatchewan Canada. This is the info I got from my father (Edward Garvey’s son – Cecil) Unfortunately, they did not know much about their Dad’s family and my Dad has now passed away.
Loretta lived in Sunderland as did all of the family. Loretta also lived near Richmond in Yorkshire England with her sister Mary. My father (Son of Cecil) also remembers his dad (Cecil) writing to Loretto and Mary in Belfast, Ireland.
• Loretto has 2 daughters Kathleen Hammond and Nora Taylor
Loretto’s family:
• Grandfather: Andrew Garvey Sr., Boyle, Roscommon – Wife Elizabeth
• Father: Edward Garvey Sr. (son of Andrew and Elizabeth) born 18-4-1849
o Loretto’s father was Edward Garvey, Sunderland UK - His wife – Jane Ann Eleanor Binks passed away in Hunton, Leyburn – Married 1878
Children (Loretto’s brothers/Sisters)
• William – Moved to Wapella, SK Canada in early 1900s
• Nora in Yorkshire
• Loretto
• Eleanor
• Cecil – Born May 6, 1895 - – Moved to Wapella, SK Canada in early 1900s
• John Andrew - – Moved to Wapella, SK Canada in early 1900s
• Edward – stayed in Sunderland
• Jane
• Alban– Moved to Wapella, SK Canada in early 1900s - (Christening - St Marys, Sunderland, Durham, England)
Hope any of this helps
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Hi Judy63
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
Jane, who started this topic was online here a few days ago so should receive an email notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.
Dawn
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Hi
Just a thought.
Could this have been a forces marriage which would be indexed separately.
I sometimes wonder about the index though as there seem to be clumps of missing marriages. I have a missing marriage probably not far away from yopurs asnd at a similar date.
Good luck!
Emms :)
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To 'emmsthheight' - interesting idea about military marriages - given the timeframe, it's worth looking into. I wasn't aware that such marriages might appear in a separate index, and i didn't manage to Google. I would appreciate info on where i can find indexes of military marriages.
Jane
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Military marriages can be found at FindMyPast but I checked and there's no obvious entry.
When things are missing from the GRO indexes you should contact the local registration office that holds the registers and ask them to search for you.
As George's first wife died in Leyburn district and the first child was also registered there, contact North Yorkshire and give them all the information you have with regards to religion, addresses of births and deaths and see if they can find an entry
http://www.northyorks.gov.uk/article/23707/Copy-certificates
It is known that entries don't make their way into the indexes. For marriages this is usually down to the parish priest not returning the entries in the required time frame.