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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: Marcia Hay on Monday 14 July 14 09:21 BST (UK)
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My great grandmother was born 1878? Elizabeth Johnstone daughter of Michael Johnstone and Catherine Callaghan. She was born in Pennsylvania along with one other sister. The family moved back to Huddersfield where he was a fish seller. and more children were born.
I would like to confirm when they moved to Pennsylvania ans when they returned to England. I would like to know how I could access birth records for my great grandmother in Pennsylvanis. She married William Casford.
:) Thanking you in advance
Marcia
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Hello and welcome to Rootschat.
Just a couple of questions so we do not duplicate work you have already done.
- Do you know the names and birth dates of the other children?
- Have you identified the family in any census on either side of the Atlantic?
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I can't see a Michael Johnstone in Huddersfield on any census.
Is it just me.
jim
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This looks like the family with Michael widowed. 1891 - RG12 Piece 3566 Folio 75 Page 12 - Huddersfield Yorkshire
Michael J Johnston 40 Widow. Fish Salesman.
Mary E Johnston 16 Born USA
Elizabeth A Johnston 15 Born USA
James B Johnston 10 Born Huddersfield
John Wm Johnston 9 Born Huddersfield.
Alice M Johnston 7 Born Huddersfield.
Sandra
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How certain are you that they were born in the US
If you have found this information via any Trees on Ancestry, I would take it with a pinch of salt.
We have all found family members on Ancestry trees (owned by US members), born in some remote part of the UK, marry in the UK, emigrate to the US, yet miraculously every year a child is born they come home and return to the US every time! Then when they are dying they come home to die and are buried in the churchyard of very same remote village!!!!
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Pennsylvania’s Department of Health began keeping birth and death records on a statewide basis on January 1, 1906. Your search for a birth record would probably need to be done through church records - you would need to know the area of Pennsylvania that the family lived in.
Sandra
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The 1901 census also says Elizabeth was born in the Pennyslvania United States. - RG13 Piece: 4104 Folio: 72 Page 5.
Wm Hy Casford 26 Eliz Ann Casford 23
John R Casford 1
Sandra
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The death of Catherine seems to come under Johnston not Johnstone - Catherine Johnson - born 1850 and died 1888 Oct/Nov/Dec - 9a 235. Huddersfield Yorkshire.
Noticed the first daughter Mary Elizabeth Johnston born about 1875 America - UK incoming passenger lists don't start until 1878 so the family might not be recorded entering the UK with the 2 children.
Sandra
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Here they are in 1881 4384/ 67/ 32
7 Mills Yard Huddersfield
Michael Josh. Johneshaw 31 yrs General Labourer b Ireland
Catherine 30 yrs b Ireland
Mary Ellen 7 yrs b USA British Subject
Elizabeth Ann 5 yrs b USA British Subject
Bernard 1 yr b Huddersfield
The census does look a bit like that name.
Bernard is James Barnard b 1880
Catherine dies 1888 aged 38 yrs
It would be quite likely that Michael and Catherine married in Ireland and emigrated to Pennsylvania before returning to England.
At the moment though I can't see a marriage in County Mayo - which Michael gives as p o b.
heywood
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Thank you Sandra! I have found the same results as you as far as the census 1891 and 1901. He was a widow at age 40 in 1891 census and a daughter Kathleen Mildred died at age 10 weeks and mother died not long later. Believe her name was Catherine Callaghan but have no real proof except Elizabeth Casford ( nee Johnston) death certificate says mother's name was Catherine.
I wanted to see when they went to America? Michael Johnston was born in 1851 in County Mayo. Just wondered whether it was to do with potato famine in Ireland?? :D
all I need now is a shipping list to see when they went to America. cannot find them in 1881 census? in England so I figure they must have married about 1873+ ? and then returned 1882?? Just a guess but need proof. ???
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See my reply #8 re 1881
James Barnard's birth certificate would confirm Catherine's maiden name.
James Barnard Johnston June 1880 Huddersfield 9a 371
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Believe her name was Catherine Callaghan but have no real proof except Elizabeth Casford ( nee Johnston) death certificate says mother's name was Catherine.
Yes, the Australian Death Index for Elizabeth Casford who died 3 May 1950 Queensland says mothers name was Callahan.
Sandra
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How do you get into the death certificate to find out that information.? I get so frustrated I could rip my hair out
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so what we need now are the 1861 census results for Mayo !! hahah
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Sandra,
thank you so much for your help.My mother is Norma Grace Casford born 1930 and my only Aunt is Anne Maud b 1925. I am trying to get a time line done for her grandmother Elizabeth Anne Casford for her 87th birthday NEXT week. For years she has been trying to find out why they went to America and when they came back. So I have a start. Just wish I could find the name of the ship they went out on must have been about 1874??
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Marcia,
they may have married in Mayo as I said before but they may have emigrated earlier and met and married there.
You could see if there are any sightings in US censuses.There was a lot of migration to Scranton area from County Mayo.
You know they returned pre 1880 but not sure re any immigration records before then.
Wondering why they moved to Huddersfield - I can see Callaghans (Sligo) there but no Johnstons.
heywood
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On James' army papers, he gives St Patrick's parish as his place of origin.
Parish records for Huddersfield St Patrick's are held at Kirklees (http://www.archives.wyjs.org.uk/documents/archives/Collections%20Guide%205.pdf).
Some Catholic records can be quite helpful as they sometimes contain other bits of information- sometimes not! However, it may be worth noting this just in case.
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;D Heywood
I remember reading somewhere about Sligo and Leith.. Once again thank you I did find a birth in Pennsylvania feb1 1876 for a white female johnston but that is grasping at straws I suppose. ??? I have an index somewhere of the Casford family which might have a reference number. I will follow up on the Kirklees tomorrow. I am a bit gened out tonight 5 hours in one hit sends you barmy. :o
cheers
Marcii
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Have a rest- tomorrow's another day :)