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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: ladybird on Monday 27 June 05 10:06 BST (UK)
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Does anyone have this census please?
I'm looking for
John Henry (or Charles) Letley (a butcher)
wife, Mary Ann (nee Harris)
daughter, Mary Ann Amelia Letley aged a few months old
I don't know of any other children.
many thanks, Sylvia
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Hello Sylvia
We need an address for a look up in 1841 as there is no name index. Do you have one from the birth certificate of Mary Ann Amelia?
Barbara F
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Sorry Barbara
31 Camden Street, East Street.
Lets hope they didn't move around too much
Sylvia
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Sylvia
I am quite surprised by this but they do not seem to be in Camden Street. When was Mary Ann Amelia born? Was the informant one of her parents? Perhaps they moved shortly before or after her birth?
I looked out for a family of Harris in case Mary Ann had gone home to mum to have the baby but only found a 12 year old Harris girl - no occupation stated. but looks like she is a servant. I also looked carefully at the names of the 2 butchers I found but they were definitely not Letley.
I must admit I did have the same problem with one of my families moving very close to a birth.
For the record, the refs I checked are 1064 10 f39-47 which cover all Camden Street (follows on from East Street) in Lambeth, St Mary Newington. The 1841 has few house numbers and there were none in Camden Street so I can't even tell you who was in the house.
If I have got the wrong area let me know. My geographical knowledge of South London is even worse than that of North of the Thames.
Barbara F
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Oh dear, I'm so sorry Barbara, :-[ Mary Ann Amelia was born in October 1841..AFTER the census of that year. I would still have expected her parents to be somewhere in the area though.
There are a lot of Letleys in Kent so maybe they didn't move to London until just before she was born?
This is the birth I have on Mary Anne Amelia Letley:
Registration district St Mary Newington
Birth in the Sub-district of St Peter, Newington in the County of Surrey
No. 250 - Twenty Second of October 1841, 8am, at 31 Camden Street, East Street - Mary Ann Amelia - Girl - father, John Henry Letley - mother, Mary Ann Letley formerly Harris - father's occupation, Butcher - informant, Mary Ann, the mark of Mary Anne Letley 31 Camden St East St. - registered, third December 1841 - George Gill L....? registrar
Thanks for trying for me anyway, I'm sure they'll turn up somewhere
Sylvia
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Hello Sylvia
Looks like I did look up the correct address. :)
Do you know when the parents were married? This could possibly give another address to try. Alternatively, perhaps the family can be found at a later date which would give you the names of other children.
In fact, just had a look at the 1861 and there is a William Letley, Butcher born Maidstone with wife Mary and 2 sons. They are in Bethnal Green. There is also Gideon Letley in Southwark - another butcher born Aylesford Kent plus family.
If you want more details of these let me know.
Barbara
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Thanks Barbara
I have been in touch with someone who has the Letleys in Kent, but nothing seems to match up. There must be a connection with them somewhere though as several of them are butchers.
The odd thing is though that on Mary Ann Amelia's wedding cert if gives her father as Charles...which also isn't helping much. I do know she was only 17 and very pregnant so maybe she lied about her father's name??? Who knows??
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Hi
I'm doing a bit of housekeeping and noticed this older request. Are you still looking for this information or resolved in the meantime? If you're still after the information, any other details come to light that might help find them?
Regards
Biker :)
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Hi Biker
I'm still at this head banging brickwall with this lot.
Hoping against hope that once ancestry get the 1841 online that I'll be able to do a name search for them. :-\
Happy New Year to you, Sylvia
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hello Ladybird,
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Hello ladybird...I'll try again! I am a new member of RootsChat & a novice, so I must have pushed the wrong button for the last post! I found your post and the thread because I was searching RootsChat for info about Camden Street, Lambeth in the 1841 census. A Snusher was living there in Camden Street, and I have a pdf image of HO 107/1064/10 folio 39, which includes part of East Street, then becomes Camden Street. There is nothing to suggest that East Street is actually part of Camden Street or vice versa. I confirm that there are no house numbers. I also confirm that the one butcher on folio 39 is not a Letley [perhaps Wrangham?], but deciphering the handwriting is a challenge. Another interesting aspect of this page is that the enumerator gives ages to an exact year, rather than the more common rounding down to the nearest 5 years, a real bonus!. My own experience of name indexes is that they need to be treated with great caution. Good luck in all your research. Have you seen a map from the period that shows the location of Camden Street?
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In case anyone is reading this later Camden Street is now called Morecombe Street and leads directly off East Street in Walworth (the name was changed in the late 1800s). There were two other Harris familys living in that close area in that rough period.
Abraham Harris who was married to Rosa Jessel and lived on East Street for many years (although Rosa died in 1822). His family is well documented online and on Genie.
And my ancestor Henry Harris who is registered as living in Camden street when he died in 1832 (buried at St Mary Newington).
His Daughter Susan Phillis (nee Harris) Rycroft then lived in Camden Street until her husband died in 1838 (William Rycroft buried at St Peter Walford). Another Sister Sarah (nee Harris) Wynne also lived close by.
My Harris family moved there from Westminster - St Martin in the fields/Clement Danes. I have always suspected that there must be other family relatives of Henry living in the area.