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Rachel Murray was a school teacher near Gin Gin in 1903 & 1905 she then became an evangelist missionary and is listed as such in 1919. Apparently she went to India as missionary, I read this in The History of The Australian Murrays. I was wondering if it's possible to find out when she went to India and how long she was there and what parts of India she went to. I did contact the Presbyterian Mission people but they had no record of her. She never married.
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18025816 SMH 13 May 1947 notice
(gives details of her parents and other family members)
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http://stuart.scss.dyndns.info/FamilyTree/individual.php?pid=I28334&ged=Gregory-Hudson.ged
Cheers, JM
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MURRAY, Rachel.— May 12, 1947. at. Sydney, eldest Daughter of Veitch and Ann Murray, late of Dallarnll. Queensland. Buried In Rookwood Baptist Cemetery. At Rest.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/49322452 Courier Mail 20 May 1947
Cheers, JM
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Thank you for the burial details. The burial place suggests that she was a Baptist missionary perhaps.
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Rachel MURRAY, aged 75 years, Interred 13 May 1947, Section L, Grave 0001203, Rookwood Independent.
http://www.rookwoodindependent.com.au/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=11
I understand that there were Missionary Societies formed in each state for each denomination.
Baptist Union http://www.baptist.org.au/
Cheers, JM
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Hi there,
I have had a look at some electoral rolls ..... in 1919, Rachel's occupation is given "evangelist" There are others at that polling place with same surname, BUT at two different, although nearby "townships"
1919 WIDE BAY, polling at Biggenden
MURRAY:
Allen, of Dallarnil, farmer
Rachel, of Dallarnil, evangelist
Ann, of North Dallarnil, home duties
Richard Alfred, of North Dallarnil, farmer
Veitch, of North Dallarnil, farmer
Cheers, JM
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Rachel Murray was a school teacher near Gin Gin in 1903 & 1905 she then became an evangelist missionary and is listed as such in 1919. Apparently she went to India as missionary, I read this in The History of The Australian Murrays. I was wondering if it's possible to find out when she went to India and how long she was there and what parts of India she went to. I did contact the Presbyterian Mission people but they had no record of her. She never married.
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Thank you for the burial details. The burial place suggests that she was a Baptist missionary perhaps.
I am fairly sure that the Baptist section of Rookwood Cemetery is not just for missionaries. May I ask about the Allen MURRAY at Dallarnil, the farmer ?
Do you have a copy of her NSW BDM death cert? The Official Transcription has the same information, and is cheaper and delivered as email attachment. One of the many headings on the NSW death cert is to do with occupation, and another is time in the colonies/states. Although it does depend on the informant's own knowledge, these responses can be quite detailed.
Official transcription agents : http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html#transcription
NSW BDM reference no. 11107/1947 and the informant knew the given names for her parents as Veitch and Ann, so it seems the informant's information may well have been detailed.
Cheers, JM
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Rachel Murray's parents were Veitch Murray and Ann Murray nee Moore her siblings were Jane, Albert John (my grandfather), Dorothy, Alice, Rebecca, William , Richard, Flora and Frank. At the moment I don't know who Allen Murray is. I will probably find out as I keep researching. Thank you for your suggestion to acquire Rachel's death certificate, it may give me the answers I'm looking for.
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Ann , I suppose that you know that your Murrays were from the Scottish Borders.
Near Jedburgh and Bedrule etc Hawick ..?
We are looking for a male Murray from your line to help us with our research regarding James A.H. Murray of Dictionary fame. He was a relative on your line. James was always seeking his roots and now we have the ability to determine via simple DNA testing , the exact line your Murrays came from. We have many many Murray men from the Scottish Borders in our project so if you know of any male Murrays from the Taree line or their relatives who might be interested please contact me on here.
Alexandrina Murray
Murray Clan DNA Research Project
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Hi Alexandrina
Yes I do know that my Murrays were from the Scottish Borders. I have gone back as far as Andrew Murray born 1640 to Bathia or Bethia Forbes. He married Janet Andison about 1669. His son John was born 1 May 1670 in Bedrule he married Isobel Turnbull on the 15 Aug 1701. There were 3 more John Murrays before we get to Veitch Murray born 1841.
I am actually trying to find out if Bathia or Bethia Forbes is the daughter of John Forbes born about 1568 in Corse Aberdeenshire, died 28 Mar 1635 in Delf, Netherlands, he married Christian Barclay in 1595. I don't suppose you have any info on this?
I do have some male Murray cousins who I am in contact with. In fact we are having a gathering of cousins in December I will ask them if they are interested in your project.
Regards
Anne Vicary
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Thank you so much Anne,
I received your PM.
Are you sure that Andrew Murray & Bethia are the parents
of John?
We shall certainly know much more once we have a participant
in our DNA Research Project from your line. How exciting.
Please PM me your email address and I shall CC you on everything
I send out.
Thank you again.
Alexandrina Murray
Murray Clan DNA Research Project.
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Andrew Murray born 1640 in Hawick and Janet Andison born 1650 in Whythill are parents of John Murray born 1 May 1670 in Bedrule. I think Bethia Forbes born 1615 in Aberdeen is Andrew Murrays mother but I am trying to find out it that is correct and whether John Forbes born about 1568 in Corse is her father.
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Thank you again Anne,
I am wondering how it is that you know about the Forbes connection?
Was there some evidence in the archives?
I suppose that you are remembering the old stories published regarding
an Andrew Murray coming to the Borders from Aberdeen area - or Braemar in 1600's
who was thought to be the progenitor of this line. However the YDNA analysis
clearly shows that your Murrays are descended from the Murrays of Falahill, via
Archibald de Moravia. The Murrays of Cockpool and Annandale are also related
back in the early 1200's when the lines split. These are Border families who have been
resident there since the mid 1200's. It could be argued that some branches stayed up
in Morayshire though and did not come to the Borders until later, however seems doubtful.
When more Murray men from this line test via Y-DNA testing we should have a clearer
idea of the Hawick -Bedrule Murray line lineage by tracing their unique mutations through
time.
Regards,
Alexandrina Murray
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Hi,
I notice that Anne has not been online at RChat since Nov 2015. Hopefully she will still be using same email and receive notification of a new reply on this thread.
Fingers crossed.
JM
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Last year I went to the UK and while I was there I visited Hawick and went into the Live Borders Libraries & Archives to check if there was and records of a connection between my Murray family to the Forbes family, they could not find one, so I have deleted the Forbes off my ancestry line. I originally put them on through another person on ancestry. At the time it looked ok but I always had questions, so I am glad that I checked it out while in Scotland.
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Anne,
What month last year were you at Hawick?
I was there too, for a week solid researching the Murrays at Hawick Hub everyday from opening
until closing. I took hundreds of photos. Stayed in a B&B in Drumlanrig Pl in MAY -June.
Alexandrina
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I was in Hawick beginning of June last year we were staying in Westlinton near Carlisle. Spent 2-3 days driving around looking at various place where our ancestors had lived.
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Then it looks like we were possibly there at the same time because I was there firstly in May then again in June.
James Russell took me to Bedrule Kirk and to the grave site of your Murray ancestors there. The stone was laying flat on the ground and un-readable. I took some photos , so can send.
Alexandrina
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There is a picture of the sandstone slab covering the Murray vault in the History of the Australian Murrays, the inscription reads: Here lies John Murray late Gardener in Tour, who died July 15th, 1749 aged 80 years. Also Isobel Turnbull his Spouse who died August 17th, 1746 aged 67 years. Here lies John Murray lately Farmer of Spittal son of aforesaid John Murray, Gardener in Tour who died March 16th 1772 aged 63 years. Also Jean Henderson, his Spouse who died November 18th, 1786 aged 72 years. Also John Murray their son, late Gardener at Spittal who died January 5th 1808 aged 75 years, and also Archibald and Margaret their children who died in the prime of life. Also Andrew Murray, late tennant in Tour who died 1777 aged 63 years. John Murray, Gardener in Spittal, who died January 5th, 1808 aged 75 years. Also Mary Cleugh his Spouse who died in Denholm October 21, 1816 aged 65 years. John Murray, Farmer in Denholm, son of John Murray, Gardener in Spittal who died January 22nd 1845 aged 60 years.
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Thank you Anne,
I have a copy of the book as well.
Also inside the Kirk at Bedrule I saw a visitors book where a member
of your family had left the inscription printed inside. So future
generations should be able to see it as well. Such a shame that
the stone is laying flat because the inscriptions are now almost
completely unreadable due to weathering. Just as well that a member
of your family went over there prior to this happening. I obtained the
copy of the book from Alex Murray of Kimbriki-Taree around 35 years ago I suppose,
not sure - but ages and ages ago.
Thank you for reprinting it here. :)
Alexandrina Murray