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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: frankie-d on Monday 23 June 14 16:46 BST (UK)
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I just saw this on Claire Santry's blog -
http://irish-genealogy-news.blogspot.co.uk/
Does anyone know how this index improves on the one currently available on Ancestry and Familysearch?
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As far as I know, an important difference is that the birth indexes will have the mother's name listed for earlier years (from the early-1900s) than are available on familysearch.
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As Dermo stated the mother's maiden name on birth indexes is listed from 1903 onwards.
I don't see any other difference in regards to what's on familysearch
But maybe I am wrong
Regards
Genseacher
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Aren't they supposed to go further up than 1958 too??? Along with Dates of Births like they are in the Registers??
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Isn't this due out today?
http://irish-genealogy-news.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/major-news-enhanced-gro-indexes-launch.html
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I'm confused. I've just been to the Irish genealogy ie site and I'm not sure if, by ticking the acceptance box, I'm agreeing to pay for a search or whether I can search for free.
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I'm confused. I've just been to the Irish genealogy ie site and I'm not sure if, by ticking the acceptance box, I'm agreeing to pay for a search or whether I can search for free.
Your ok it's free
Had to do one of those type what in the box things, that could be a pain but it was a photo with a number so very easy.
Just did one search and results look nice and clear and see some for the 1950s don't know how recent it goes yet
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Oh date range is up to 2013 on the example, everything is a bit slow at the moment.
Found myself 1960s, than tried my niece 1990s, found her.
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Should have put up the link, took me a moment or two to find it, the site has a new look
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
I was hoping it would give you possible matches on old marriages but sadly not.
They have the quarters numbered rather than by month.
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It's quite good, have found a few already today in that time zone between 1903 and 1927!!
Marriages from about 1905 onwards are matched up with spouses's in some case's..
But I did come across quite a lot of records of just names with no year of birth too, and I've searched for a birth that I know is on familysearch but it's not coming up....
Hopefully in time it will settle down but the recent, births, deaths and marriages will help quite a lot!
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Having terrible trouble with new Irish Genealogy site can anyone help or explain what this is all about.
When i enter site i am asked to give my name and tick box
Then when i enter a name i am searching up comes solve this captcha or anagram to be solved, i just cant get results
Any ideas is it a virus i have just done a Norton scan and its clear so dont know what it is.
exasperated Dathai
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I didn't have to give my name. I had to tick a box and then do the 'captcha' text which is difficult to see on this little netbook.
However, I did find my mother-in-law's deceased siblings through the mother's name. We had known that there were three girls and had been told that they were all Margaret but discovered that one was a Mary.
Earlier births -around 1870 haven't shown a mother's surname though :-\
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Ya a name, tick the box, search name, number thing, results. Once your in you can do lots of searches.
Running very slow though.
Ahhhhhh I was only getting a photo of a number before now getting nasty squilley letters
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This is soooo great!
With common surnames helps brilliantly - I can cope with slow only I have very little time at the minute!
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Mmm interesting
I decided to try myself and my siblings using the more search options, so putting in the mother's maiden name.
3 of us were born at home 3 in Hollis St. Dublin.
My mother has an O'Name.
Using O'Name I found the 3 born at home but not the Dublin ones for them I needed O Name, had to do a separate search to find the eldest.
Worth bearing in mind
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I'm puzzled because I can't get any New Ross info. The option on the site is 'NewRoss' with no space but I just get 'no results'. :-\
I got my Mayo information.
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What I would like to know is how one can use the information to get a cert since no volume and page information shows. Is the "Group Registration ID" some kind of unique identifier that will serve the same purpose as the traditional volume and page numbers.
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I'm been doing a little study tonight.
As most of you know women have increasingly giving birth in hospital as modern health care, roads and cars have improved.
Kildare doesn't have a maternity hospital so women go to Dublin.
My mother jokes when there is a Dublin v Kildare match that it's a Dublin v Dublin match.
With that in mind
Naas Reg District Births
1951 - 55. 3500
56 - 60. 2811
61 - 65. 2222 (duel carriageway built Naas to Dublin in the 60s)
66 - 70. 1288
71 - 75. 411
76 - 80. 202
81 - 85. 73
86 - 90. 281
91 - 95. 167
96 - 2000 no result
01 - 05. No result
Approx population of Kildare early 1950s 80000. 2002 just over 160000
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Same applies in Co. Clare
Women travel to Limerick or Galway in more recent times
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Same applies in Co. Clare
Women travel to Limerick or Galway in more recent times
All over the country but it's interesting to see the numbers drop.
Puts an interesting twist on searches in the future.
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I suspect the slowness is partly because of lots of people using the site at the same time, once the initial rush passes, the response time should be more typical. . . . and hopefully faster!!
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What I would like to know is how one can use the information to get a cert since no volume and page information shows. Is the "Group Registration ID" some kind of unique identifier that will serve the same purpose as the traditional volume and page numbers.
Like Dermo says does anybody know if you can order certs in the GRO research room using the "Group Registration ID" I have come across some records which have the volume and page number on familysearch and ancestry but this has been replaced by this ID code on the new site.
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From the main page, after you have logged in, there are 2 groups of choices:
Search for . . . . .
and
Order a . . . . .
They appear thus:
Order certificates
If you want to order more certificates use the following links:
Order a birth certificate
Order a death certificate
Order a marriage certificate
Order a civil partnership certificate
Order an adoption certificate
Search registrations
If you want to search registrations use the following links:
Search for a birth registration
Search for a death registration
Search for a marriage registration
Search for a WWII registration
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Hi
My question is can you use the use the Group Registration ID code to order certs when specifically visiting the GRO research facility located in Werburgh Street Dublin as opposed to ordering certs online or visiting local health board offices to obtain certs?
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Hi
My question is can you use the use the Group Registration ID code to order certs when specifically visiting the GRO research facility located in Werburgh Street Dublin as opposed to ordering certs online or visiting local health board offices to obtain certs?
No one knows. We have to wait until someone tries.
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Thanks Sinann.I might try make a visit myself during the coming week.
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Claire Santry says that the group registration ID should be all you need to get a cert from GRO though she also advises giving them the registration district, volume and page numbers too just to be sure. I hope to get to Werburgh St this coming week to try out the new system.
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Thanks Dermo. I think the new site is quite good and I have managed to find a couple of records from the 1950s which I could'nt find elsewhere (familysearch,ancestry.com) which are of interest to me .Its just that they d'ont have a page and volume number and was wondering if the ID code was enough to get the certs in the GRO.
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I will probably be in the GRO on Wednesday so if no one has reported back before then I will let you know how I fare with the general registration ID. I have a couple of post-1958 records to get for which I only have the code from the new site.
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Hi. Was in gro werburgh st today gave them a group id from the online system and got a cert back no problem . They can accept either that or the vol/page. They just have not got around to updating forms or information leaflets etc.
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Hi. Was in gro werburgh st today gave them a group id from the online system and got a cert back no problem . They can accept either that or the vol/page. They just have not got around to updating forms or information leaflets etc.
Thank you for that, hope the Cert was joy to get.
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Thanks for that- now I can plan my next trip to the GRO
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I didn't get to the GRO until today. I had the same experience as Meath999 - group ID numbers not a problem, though I got the impression they are less convenient for the staff than the volume and page numbers.
One thing I discovered is that you can get 8 certs per day now instead of 5. I'm not sure if this is well known. It was news to me.
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I am not surprised Dermo as any time i've been to Wereburgh St there is an average of 8 to 10 people there and i've often been handed my certs within 2 mins of handing in the docket.
Where as in Abbey St the place used be so full i was locked out and told come back much later or early next day.
They have'nt been really run off their feet since moving to Wereburgh St.
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I haven't made it into Werburgh Street yet
Abbey Street was convenient for me on the Luas and I could do a trip during lunch hour!
Need time off work to get to Werburgh Street so back writing to Roscommon!
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You don't need to go to Dublin to get Certs... I was born in Dublin, now living Ck on Shannon and was recently asked to produce long/full version of my Birth Cert. I told person I hadn't time to go to Dublin and was told I only needed to go to local office to get it. I had page/volume number and got Cert immediately.
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You don't need to go to Dublin to get Certs... I was born in Dublin, now living Ck on Shannon and was recently asked to produce long/full version of my Birth Cert. I told person I hadn't time to go to Dublin and was told I only needed to go to local office to get it. I had page/volume number and got Cert immediately.
But you are alive, I've got family Certs with only name and date in the local office but can you do that for historic Certs?
I can never find that info online but I'd think I heard or read there is a date limit.
Only way to be sure is to ask I guess.
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Well they have them anyway because my father's name wasn't in great handwriting, when I gave my father's D.O.B in Carlow office (even though born Kilkenny) and his page/volume number they were able to look that up.
Historic records can be very basic anyway. I have some which only give date of death and location, no parent named.
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Off line since 13.05 today. Hope it's just a service issue, not a change in availability.
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Hi Sinann,
I noticed that earlier. Civil records weren't showing up as an option on the bar but I entered the details and I could choose civil records.
When I tried a few minutes later I got an error message! I hope it is just an adjustment to the site.
heywood
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Hi all, I hear reports that the Data Protection Commissioner has raised issues about the ease which "Mothers Maiden Names" and "Dates of Birth" of living people can be accessed en mass on the new online database, in the context of these being widely used as security questions by banking and credit card companies. If this is the case sounds like a major relook is under way and not just a temporary technical glitch.
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Definitely will take time then
However for quite a while I've felt it's the Banks should review their security questions, as those two well used questions are so easy to find out about people.
My bank uses a third question that I insisted on as I told them my family tree was on line and easily accessible to many
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I hope they reopen the marriages and deaths while we're waiting.
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Reading the Irish papers today, we'll be lucky to be allowed search in the GRO! ;)
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I was surprised it went all the way to 2013 but I assumed they knew what they were doing, sadly it seems they didn't.
Claire as usuall is a good source. http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2014/07/privacy-issues-close-civil-registration.html
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UK records are available to 2006 on paid sites which requires registration
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I'm soooooo annoyed at myself. Bells rang in my head about how up to date the info was BUT I said it MUST be legit for it to be online or else a Government Dept. would NOT have put it online.
So, I said SUPER I shall put that research on the back burner 'til I have the time to look at the site properly.
GRRR yesterday I went in and all my suspicions came true and I'm soooo upset that I didn't do my research earlier.
Lesson Learned.
Does anyone know the EXACT law ? I thought the 100 year rule only applied to the Census ! Sure maiden names are on the GRO books up to 1958 - all easily available online for YEARS.
NIGHTMARE to say the least.
In one way I feel sorry for the department who probably thought they were doing it all :(
BTW I've noticed that I can't get into St. Nicholas' Church, Francis Street, Dublin baptism pages - Has anyone else had the same problem ? Is this another site removing access to records ?
Tara
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About time they took them down. My goodness the stuff you could find out about someone was unbelievable!!
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About time they took them down. My goodness the stuff you could find out about someone was unbelievable!!
I have to agree with you
(mind you I did have a good look at them while they were up.)
I hope the early ones (1900 - 1927) come back up soon.
eadaoin
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I had an uncomfortable discovery with them as well, still I wish they had just put a cut off point in place rather than take the whole thing down.
I did wonder at one point if they were monitoring how often a person signed in, I kept expecting to be denied access because I was searching too much, granted it wasn't recent events.
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Will we have to wait for this to go through
http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2014/07/tanaiste-publishes-civil-registration.html
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I had an uncomfortable discovery with them as well, still I wish they had just put a cut off point in place rather than take the whole thing down.
I did wonder at one point if they were monitoring how often a person signed in, I kept expecting to be denied access because I was searching too much, granted it wasn't recent events.
Initially I wrote on here that I hadn't signed in. I then realised that I had entered the name of the person I was searching for ::) it made no difference to my search. I then input that name again and did the little captcha exercise and got my results.
I can't see the point of signing in without any registration. You could enter a different, completely fabricated name each time you sign in as far as I can see - unless I am missing something very obvious or doing something wrong.
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I had an uncomfortable discovery with them as well, still I wish they had just put a cut off point in place rather than take the whole thing down.
I did wonder at one point if they were monitoring how often a person signed in, I kept expecting to be denied access because I was searching too much, granted it wasn't recent events.
Initially I wrote on here that I hadn't signed in. I then realised that I had entered the name of the person I was searching for ::) it made no difference to my search. I then input that name again and did the little captcha exercise and got my results.
I can't see the point of signing in without any registration. You could enter a different, completely fabricated name each time you sign in as far as I can see - unless I am missing something very obvious or doing something wrong.
I did that a few times as well.
I assume they can track your IP at the very least.
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Presumably, and when I read it on here, I realised my mistake and have entered my own name since.
A few years ago, I asked the parish priest in my father's birth parish for details of his baptism in 1907.
He agreed happily to provide the information but said that he wouldn't allow anyone to look at the registers themselves due to the 'sensitivity of the information' when relatives of anyone named therein were still living in the area.
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I only used the site for Ulster which seemed to go up to the early 20s so I didn't realize they had such recent records. That's a pretty huge blunder!
I'm glad I got in while I could. I got a lot of exact birth dates which I was sometimes then able to match up with a death record in another country including women who had died under a married name I wasn't previously aware of.
All my (Canadian) financial institutions have customized security questions now. I need to use them a lot because I simply can't remember all the passwords I have now that require the special characters and such.
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I think the 'signing in' part was just to comply with existing legislation that says you are entitled to make an application to search the index. The fact that they uploaded up to 2013 really surprised me and I wasn't very happy with it to be honest, am SHOCKED now to find they had no authority to do so.
I have a very unusual first name and surname (in fact I am the only person ever born with that name in Ireland 1864-2013 and I should think EVER) so that made me very uncomfortable that that info about myself should be online.But like everyone you imagine they have gone through all the legals with a fine tooth comb already ::) ::)
I did manage to find an aunt of mine who died aged 2 and no one ever knew for her existence so happy with that at least. :)
I dread to think how much money/time has been wasted because no one in Dept of Arts asked an obvious question.
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...."I dread to think how much money/time has been wasted because no one in Dept of Arts asked an obvious question...."
Well hopefully when they put them back up to the cut off dates, they'll use the database to release records every year from it as they already have the database done!
No need to waste money doing them again....
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Claire's latest post on the issue
http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2014/07/latest-on-irishgenealogyie-bmd-indexes.html
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Not too much longer to wait it seems but dates pushed well back. Still better that nothing.
http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2014/09/irishgenealogy-to-upload-abridged.html
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Claire's latest post on the issue.
http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2014/10/the-irish-gro-indexes-fiasco-long-wait.html
It appears every thing is good to go on the restricted records but no word on when.
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Given they are planning to upload only - from Claire's Blog "Births up to 100 years ago, Marriages up to 75 years ago and Deaths up to 50 years ago" So no births after 1914, no marriages after 1939 and no deaths after 1964 - by my reckoning the only advantage over FamilySearch is an extra 6 years info on deaths. Do they even know FamilySearch has had more info online for years now.
Won't be of any real use even if they ever do get around to uploading it. :(