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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: familyline on Saturday 21 June 14 07:12 BST (UK)
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Hi, can anybody tell me the names of cementries, that people would have used living in llanrhos.
thankyou for your time
stonemason
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Perhaps Llanrhos Cemetery? ;D
http://www.conwy.gov.uk/doc.asp?cat=7974&doc=1207
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Hello lynne1897,
What sort of period in time are you looking for?
There is a good page on Genuki about Llanrhos (Eglwys Rhos)
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CAE/EglwysRhos/
The main burial ground is at St Hilary's. This is still in use today.
Jo.
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Hi, If you go on billiongraves.com they have photos of 2,709 graves in the Llanrhos Cemetery Old Section. The burials appear to commence in the 1890's. However this cemetery is attached to St Hilarys Church which have older graves but unfortunately there are no photos of that section. Hope this helps. gwynd
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Hi Everyone,
That was a silly question I asked. I was looking for burials in the 1700s in llanrhos and also glan Conway.
regards
lynne
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Hello Lynne,
There is a good Genuki page on Glan Conwy
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/LlansanffraidGlanConwy/
You may well be looking at non conformist churches and chapels in that area.
I note that some of the parish registers were destroyed in a fire, those lost were for the years 1729-1740. There are Bishops' Transcripts but these do not cover the missing years completely.
What names and years are you researching? There are some original registers available on Find my Past but I am not sure whether those for Llanrhos and Glan Conwy are included in these. I couldn't get any burials on Freereg for this period.
Jo.
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Hello Jo,
There are several of my main line Roberts,
I am looking for the following,
Thomas Roberts born 2 april 1844 birth cert says quick,eirias,colwyn bay, egwys rhos his death has to be after 1905 that is the date his last child was born.
John Roberts he lived in graig lwyd a village in LLanrhos he died aged 66 in 1883.
Hugh Roberts he also lived in graig lwyd he died aged 47 in 1847.
William Roberts lived at btynewydd towyn llanrhos died sept 9 1822
Thomas Roberts lived llanelian yn rhos died aged 81 drowned in the river Conway also lived at Tynewydd Thomas was born 1725.
John Roberts he was born in1663 in glan Conway his wife Elizabeth was buried 27 march 1751 glan Conway.
William Roberts married to alice under glan Conway this is the family I cant find anythink about only their two children which is john born 1663 and a david born 1665 the early parish records are in latin Conway parish, but I was looking also for where these people would have been buried.
thankyou for your time
lynne
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Hello lynne,
It looks as if some of these burials would have been in other locations than Llanrhos.
For example, Llanelian yn Rhos is outwith the Llanrhos area and the Genuki page is here:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Llanelian/
The church there was St Elian. This place is located about 6 miles from Abergele and some distance from Llanrhos.
You mention Towyn as being the place William Roberts lived and this is near Abergele too. The Genuki page is here:
http://genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Towyn/
I will post some more in due course.
Jo.
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hello Jo,
thankyou for the post, I will look into the sites you have suggested.
regards
lynne
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Hello Jo,
If I can find where my relatives are buried, would I be able to read their headstone or would it be in Welsh?
regards
Lynne
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Hello lynne,
Find my Past has a burial for Elizabeth Roberts on 27 March 1751 at Llansanffraid Glan Conwy. This would have been at St Ffraid
http://www.clwydfhs.org.uk/eglwysi/llansanffraidglanconwy.htm
There is a burial in St Ffraid for a John Roberts on 2 May 1749 but it gives the names of his parents and that infers he was an infant.
Jo.
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Hello lynne,
You queried the language on the headstones. Please bear in mind that there may not be a headstone in existence now. These were usually found on graves of the wealthier people back then. The average person would not have had the means to put a headstone on the grave.
The language could well have been in Welsh, the graves in St Ffraid almost certainly would have been.
Jo.
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See this site:
http://forebears.co.uk/wales/denbighshire/llansanffraid-glan-conwy
Jo.
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Do you have any more information on the people who lived at Graig Lwyd? I think that this is near to Penmaenmawr
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=8340
Jo.
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Hi Lynne,
I think there has been a bit of confusion as to where Tywyn/Towyn Llanrhos is. 150 years ago the postal directory refer to the hamlet of Tywyn in the parish of Eglwys Rhos which is centred around Pentywyn Hill area. Today it's called Deganwy and is over the river from Conwy town. There were several houses known as Ty Newydd one of them still remains today called Lavender Cottage. There were a group of houses also called Ty Newydd in the area were Garth Motors stands today and there is a reference to a John Roberts farmer living there.
There is a very informative site with some lovely photographs of various houses and churches in the area, lists of houses and occupants and a map from 1864 that will give you an idea of where all the boundaries for these hamlets are. Sorry I can't post a clickable link as I haven't worked out how to do that yet. Google 'Tywyn in Victorian Times Researched by Fiona Richards.'It will give you an idea of the area they lived in. I live nearby and very often pass that area and also had family living there on the 1881/91 & 1901/11 Census so if I can help further please ask,
Kind Regards,
Ellen
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I have found Hugh Roberts born 1791 living at Graig Llwyd, Eglwys Rhos on the 1841 Census with his wife Jane born 1786 and son John born 1817. Both Hugh and John are Agricultural labourers.
Also on the 1841 Census there is a Roberts family living at Ty Newydd, Eglwys Rhos.
Griffith Roberts born 1786 Agricultural Labourer
Anne born 1796
Mary born 1821
David born 1833
Anne born 1836
John born 1839
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Also found on the 1881 Census John Roberts born 1817 Eglwys Rhos, Stone Mason and his wife Elizabeth born 1832 Denbigh. They are living at Tyddyn Y Lluan which is next door to Graig Llwyd so there is a possibility this is your John Roberts and he moved next door before he died in 1883.
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Thank you for clarifying this Ellenmai. I have learned something that I didn't know and I have lived in Deganwy!
I don't know of a burial ground there, so presume it would have been in St Hilary,Llanrhos. What about St Gwstenin in Llangwstennin?
Jo.
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Hi Jo and Ellenmai,
Thankyou both for helping me it doesn't help living at the other end of the world, the last time I got home I only managed to get to the shops at Llandudno. Ellenmai you have the right family with Hugh and jane Roberts living at graig lwyd also brother John and Elizabeth john is a stonemason on census and on the parish records. Griffith Roberts is not my line.Hugh to what I can gather was a ag lab but also a mariner? His wife Jane Roberts her father Anthony Roberts was a mariner so perhaps.I have various places for Hughs childrens birth being Pen y Cae llanrhos Towyn llanrhos and pydcio Llandudno perhaps some of these names might ring a bell these names are from the parish records. As for Tynewydd Hughs father William lived there and Williams father Thomas also Thomass son john was a publican according to the 1851 census in tynewydd on the 1911 census Thomas is living at 2 tywyn llanrhos. Hope this might help you know where I am.
Regards
thankyou for your help
Lynne
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Jo is right about some of the burials probably being at St Hilary's Church, Llanrhos and at that time they would have been in the Old Churchyard.
William Roberts Ty Newydd was buried 9/9/1822 at Llanrhos.
John Roberts Graig Llwyd (Sailor) was buried in Conway 29/12/1806 probably at St Mary's Parish Church as that fits with the time span for burials there. I found a short article about the drowning, it happened on Christmas Day 1806. The Ferry was the only means of crossing the River Conway and it was transporting the Irish Mail Coach over when it capsized. Thirteen people were on board and only two survived. 6 of them were buried in Conway including John.
I shall go and study your last lot of information to see if I can glean anything to help to search further. The weather here today is awful so have a few hours spare.
Ellen
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Hello Lynne,
You may find it worthwhile to post on a site local to Llandudno, Conwy and surrounding areas. This is The Three Towns Forum.
http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php
Some of the names you mention seem familiar and I wonder if I have seen posts/requests about them on this site. There have been a number of posts about mariners in Llandudno. There is a lot of interest in these.
Nest time you visit Llandudno, you won't have time for the shops!!
Jo.
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Hi there,
A lot of my ancestors were born and lived in Llanrhos in the 1700-1923 period and although some of them graduated to Old Colwyn,Colwyn etc, quite a few are buried in St. Hilary's churchyard. There are also some who are buried in Llandrillo yn rhos even though they lived in Llanrhos, with the ones who moved to Old Colwyn buried in Llanelian and the others in Colwyn buried in Bron y Nant. Makes it rather hard to find as they are spread along the coast!
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I just had a thought whilst re-reading the postings on this topic of Llanrhos!
My great,great great grandparents, as are my great, great grandparents, are buried in the grounds of St. Hilary's churchyard. I have the plot numbers for their graves and have visited to take photos and lay some flowers on the occasions i get over to Wales. However, in the plot where my great,great,great grandparents grave should be situated it would appear that when the church was extended in 1865, and my ancestors were buried in 1836 and 1840 respectfully, i am wondering if the extension was built over their graves, as where their graves should be is where the extension lies and their headstone is not in situ but lying near the church itself and not above the grave. Is it possible i could find out where their remains now lie, if indeed they are underneath this extension or even if they were buried in another part of the church grounds? I find it upsetting to think their remains may be underneath such an addition to the church! Anyone know how i can find this information out please? Thank you.
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Hi Jo and Ellenmai,
Firstly Jo always got time to go to the shops, when I was there I was wondering if my relatives were working there if only you could meet them. Ellenmai our weather is bitterly cold only 6 degrees all day fire on full. thankyou ladies for helping me. Thomas was the sailor or mariner that drowned in the river Conway parish records quote a old mariner drowned in the river Conway aged 81 on the 29 dec 1806.Ellenmai if you have time perhaps you could find out where john Roberts was a publican in tynewydd its on census 1851, was it a pub,hotel ? Don't know anythink about tynewydd would it still be there today. Very interesting about Thomass death shame being a mariner and cant swim.so it looks like I am looking at st hillarys and st marys when I get home again. To the person who asked about peoples burial places all I can say is years ago I live in Redditch Worcs and they built the shopping centre over old graves I am led to believe the grounds have to be over 100 years old and then the graves arnt disturbed the shopping centre was built on stilts over the top of the graves. I cannot help any further.
Thankyou ladies
Regards
Lynne
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Hi Lynne,
I'm getting a bit confused about which John Roberts you are looking for ??? The one you mentioned earlier on was 66 when he died in 1883 is it this one? The John Roberts you just mentioned on the 1851 Census, who is a publican was born 1775 in Llandudno.
Paintedlady your best bet to try and find out about St Hilary's is either telephone the Conwy Archive at Llandudno on 01492577550 they are open Monday to Thursday or you could e-mail them archifau.archive@conwy.gov.uk they are very helpful.
Ellen
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Hi Ellen,
Sorry you are right the John of Graig Lwyd did die in 1883. This is another John he is the son of Thomas the mariner who drowned in the Conway river, this john was born 1771 in Llandudno and according to the 1851 census was a publican in Tynewydd, just wondered if you knew the name of the pub and if its still there today. Sorry didn't mean to confuse you.
Regards
Lynne
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Hello lynne,
There is an excellent site which covers North Wales Mariners:
http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/
I did a search on Thomas Roberts and there were quite a few hits:
http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/search.php
This might provide more information on your ancestors.
Jo.
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Hello Jo,
I have tried the two sites and I keep getting no hits. Don't know what I am doing wrong.
regards
Lynne
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Hi Lynne,
Please don't apologise it's me having one of my senior moments and not keeping up. ;D
As I have mentioned before there appeared to be one house called Ty Newydd which is on the main road and is still there today, it's now called Lavender Cottage. Then there was a row of terraced cottages called Ty Newydd 1-4. I believe the row of cottages were pulled down and there is now a garage on the site. Next to where the cottages were was a pub called the Farmers Arms, but that too has been pulled down recently. On the 1851 Census the person living at the Farmers Arms was Robert Jones, occupation Sailor and his wife Elizabeth, so perhaps your John Roberts was running the pub side of the business while Robert Jones was away, with him being next door. There was another coaching inn further down the hill called Castle View but it had it's own Landlord.
Have you had a look on the website I mentioned on an earlier post ? You can see for yourself what some of these buildings look like.
I went down to the library this morning to have a look at the list they have for the Memorial headstones at St Mary's Church, but no luck. Quite a few were damaged and removed over the years, so it could have been one of those. The list for St Hilary's Church is in The Archive at Llandudno.
Ellen
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Hi Ellen,
Don't you say sorry either, I have senior moments also. But thanks for that info, I am still learning the computer so I still have problems. You never know we may be related on the 1851 census hughs wife jane is living with her son William and granddaughter ellen might be one of your descentants in graig lwyd. thankyou for the info, it looks like I still have to look at st marys and st hillarys and if its the old part I don't stand a chance of finding them unless there is a register showing were they might have been buried.
Regards
Lynne
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There are registers of burials in the cemeteries and these are held in the archives:
http://www.archiveswales.org.uk/anw/get_collection.php?coll_id=1768
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CAE/Conway/index.html
You should try a post on the site mentioned before, The Three Towns Forum as there are local people on there who will often volunteer to visit the Conwy archives and do look ups.
It is also worthwhile pursuing whether there are any Monumental Inscriptions for these cemeteries.
Jo.
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Hi Jo,
I had been on the genuki site before, but as for the archives I seem to be going round in circles and not finding any info. But I am still learning the computer, so will try that site again as for the three towns site I have had a look at it and will have to register to post. I will try that site later.
Thankyou for the info, I will try.
regards
Lynne
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Hi Lynne,
I know how difficult it can be learning computer skills and quite often feel frustrated with myself when I can't work things out as I am self taught. The website Jo has given you for Genuki/Conway has a list of some of the Memorial Headstones in St Mary's Church, Conway. I had a look and it has information on 6 different Robert's families, so if you click on the link then go to the bottom of the page and under the heading Cemeteries, again click on Memorial Inscriptions from the St Mary's Parish Church, Conway.This hasn't as many details as they have in the Conway Library but you never know perhaps one of them may match up with the dates you have.
I haven't any Roberts on my tree that lived in the area we have been discussing, they were Hughes, but lived only a few houses away from Ty Newydd. My lot were Monumental Masons funnily enough and my Great, Great Grandfather was a sculptor Mason and made many of the intricate memorial headstones in the old Llanrhos Churchyard. Over the years the rest of the male line worked on the railway at Llandudno Junction either driving or repairing the engines. By the way Ellen came from my Nanna and she was a Smith/Jones, Nightmare surnames to research :-\
If there is anything else I can help with please ask,
Kind Regards,
Ellen
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I know this is off topic but I thought I would let Ellen know that her ancestors probably worked with my ancestors! My gt grandfather, grandfather and mother all worked for the railway and were in Llandudno Junction as well. My gt grandfather was transferred to Holyhead where he stayed until he retired. My grandfather worked all over North Wales as he went over to the commercial side of the railway. He did work in Llandudno and the Junction prior to this as well. My mother worked in Llandudno, Deganwy and the Junction in her time on the LMS.
There were others in the family who were railway workers too.
Jo.
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hi Ellen,
I know this is of topic but a lot of the male Roberts married ladies with the surname hughes, and going back to John Roberts of graig lwyd hes down as a stonemason also, and then after him coming forward in my line to my granddad they are all stonemasons.Another Thomas he was born in 1844 worked on Basildon House with a team of stonemasons. The Hughes in my line come from llangelynin. Now back to topic I did look at the genuki site and saw a lot of Roberts there the only one close to my line is Owen and Gwen Roberts, Owen is another son of Thomas born 1725, ther only difference is the date the genuki site is out by one day and one year how accurate do you think they are, my records come from the parish records. so I guess if this is my owen the rest of his family would be buried at St Marys. Do you know the name of the church that sits on a hill by the bend in the river Conway in denigh, I have another John Roberts born 1663 living at tynewyyd and marrying a Elizabeth Thomas at that church in 1716.
thankyou for your time and experience.
Lynne
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Hi Lynne & Joe,
It's a funny old world, my Ancestors living near yours Lynne all those years ago and probably working with yours Joe. Both my Grandfathers worked for the railway, one was a driver the other repaired the boilers of the old steam trains in the 6G sheds and various Great Uncles & Uncles worked in other areas. I also had an Aunt who was a train announcer at Llandudno Junction in the early 1950's. Have you seen the marvellous site www.6g.nwrail.org.uk Joe, they have loads of old photographs on it, perhaps even some of your family. I haven't had any luck finding any of mine on the Railway Information on FindMyPast site have you had any luck?
I have been racking my brain to think of a church by that description Lynne. Could it be on the other side of the river from Conwy called Llansantffraid/ Glan Conwy that was in the County of Denbighshire?
I will go back down to the Conwy library over the next few days and check those dates for you on Owen & Gwen Roberts in the Memorial Inscription Book. Quite a lot of the headstones have worn away and the dates aren't clear so someone may have got the date wrong. I shouldn't think the Parish record was wrong though.
Kind Regards,
Ellen
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Hi Ellen,
Firstly I will go with the parish records for owen and gwen Roberts, but perhaps the rest of the family would come under st marys.Thomas born 1844 a stonemason would I was telling you about lived at 10 Twnan tce on 1891 census and on the 1901 census Thomas is at Basildon house HHIW bank ave springbank with his family also visiting bricklayers with surnames Acres, Rees,Mcgaril don't know if you know any of these people.The John Roberts born 1663 is Llansaffraid Glan Conway and lived in Tynewydd he died aged 90 Glan Conway,he is the one who married Elizabeth Thomas at denigh. I was led to believe that Denigh was a village in glan Conway, if at all possible would you be able to find anythink about his father William Roberts who married Alicea don't know her surname but have a burial for her Alicea died 9 july 1677 glan Conway I could only find two children John 1663 and david 1665, I know david had a daughter also called Alicea is was born 22 may 1706 other than that I have on more info.
Thankyou so much for helping me, this is my fathers line who I lost a few months ago and it means a great deal to me.
Regards
Lynne
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Hi Lynne,
I have had a look on the 1901 Census for Thomas Robert (1844) and the address should read Basildon House, Rhiw Bank Road, Colwyn Bay, Denbighshire. These transcribers are absolute rubbish why they have put Conway, Caernarvonshire I'll never know. Rhiw Bank Road is still there but very different from 1901 when it was a lovely tree lined avenue of three storied houses and servants living in the attic. Today they are mostly flats. If you want a look at what the avenue looked like in 1909 click on this link www.oldukphotos.com/denbighshirecolwynbaypage5.htm , Rhiw Bank Avenue is the 6th photo down on the left.
With Thomas being a Stone Mason and Acre, Mason and McGaril bricklayers from Mumbles, South Wales I would have thought they were all working together on some large construction and Thomas & Jane making even more money having them as lodgers.
As far as I'm aware I have never heard of a place called Denigh village. Glan Conway was the village. There is a village called Denbigh, Denbighshire but that is about 25 miles away, do you think that could be were your looking for? I hope you don't mind me asking but where did you get that village name from, as it could have been another error by the transcribers.
Kind Regards,
Ellen
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Hi Ellen
Where my family comes from seems to stretch over Caernarvonshire and denigbshire, I got the name from the parish records, my family line seems to finish at glan Conway and there records are under denigh. I don't know why this post didn't show up on my email address, I just happened to look at the last post and saw that you had answered.
Thankyou for your help
lynne
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Hi Ellen
What a great photo, I have printed it out to put in my file, thankyou.
Regards
Lynne
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I found these:
http://colwynbayheritage.org.uk/
http://threetownsforum.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,144.0.html
Jo.
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Hi Lynne,
I think you'll find Llansanffraid/Glan Conway is under Denbighshire not Denigh. Some of the enumerators just wrote Denbigh for short and I have noticed some of their writing leaves a lot to be desired, so could look like Denigh.
So pleased you liked the photo, Colwyn Bay was quite a wealthy area at that time with all the large houses, such a pity it's ended up as it has.
I did look for William & Alicia Roberts for you when you asked before on your 'Conway Parish Records' question a while ago. I found David's Baptism and a possible daughter Alicia for you, other than that I'm sorry but can't help any further with that one.
I forgot to say before how sorry I was to hear about your father, it makes finding your Ancestors all the more precious.
Take Care,
Ellen
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Hi Jo and Ellen,
What great photos of old colwyn, it seems I didn't see much when I was there. I walked through Eirias parc across the road and up alongside a house for the walk to tynterfyn that's where my journey first started with my Grandad, I also walked along the seafront at colwyn bay I remember saying what a lovely sandy beach to my husband and we saw porpoises playing in the sea we watched them for hours me muttering to myself Im walking in my ancestors footsteps. Thankyou ladies I really enjoyed looking at the photos and Ellen thanks for the info. Do you know of any photos for graig lwyd.
regards
lynne
Regards
Lynne