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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: ocgotme on Sunday 08 June 14 21:41 BST (UK)
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I am searching for either baptismal records or records of birth for one Hephzibah Shelomith Hannant. She is listed on most documents including census records and her marriage certificate as being born in 1837. Place of birth is listed as Horsford, Norfolk. The closest match in the birth index that I’ve found is in Aylsham, Norfolk, for a Female Hannant in the first quarter of 1840. Not sure if this is her or not.
She is adopted by her uncle William Hannant (listed as William Clarke Hannant on his son’s marriage certificate) b.1808 in Buxton, Norfolk. She appears on the 1851 census and 1861 census records as his “niece.” The family is living in Aylsham. She marries George James Day in the parish of Lakenham at St. Marks on November 22, 1865. On this document her father is listed as ________ Hannant. I have a feeling this means that she was illegitimate.
I have been unsuccessful in finding her parents. If I have the correct William Clarke Hannant, her father could only be either William Clarke’s father, William Ward Hannant, or his brother Richard Hannant, but as Richard was living away from the area, I’m leaning to it not being him. The only other explanation could be that William Clarke or one of his sisters are one of her parents but that doesn’t resolve why her father is listed as a Hannant on her marriage certificate. Here is William Clarke’s parental line and siblings as best as I can outline them:
William Ward Hannant b. Buxton 1768 d. 1843
His wife, Sarah Smith b. 1762 (not listed on 1841 census so probably dead by then)
• Martha Hannant
1790 –
• Robert Smith Hannant
1794 – 1802
• Richard Hannant
1799 – 1881
• Elizabeth Anne Hannant
1802 –
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William Clarke Hannant
1808 – 1885
• Sarah Hannant
1810 – 1885
• Sophia Hannant
1814 – 1841
• Matilda Hannant
1817 –
If anyone can help me out on this one, I’d appreciate it.
Thank you,
Tonya Fisher
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Have you tried just searching on the first names in the right area? Maybe she didn´t take the Hannant name ubtil she moved in with the uncle.
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Yes. Unfortunately, no hits on the first names.
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I would not rule out the possibility that the uncle was her mother´s brother and that the marriage certificate just shows Hannant because she was raised in a Hannant household.
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google shows a few interesting hits for Hephzibah Shelomith, especially on Ancestry and associated with Hannant and Norfolk
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Unfortunately, those hits are all to my tree. :(
But I appreciate you taking the time to look.
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Female Hannant born Aylsham Mar qtr 1840 may well be the Female Hannant who also died Aylsham Mar qtr 1840.
Unfortunately Hephzibah is likely to have been born shortly before civil registration started on 1 July 1837. She was enumerated as 14 in the 1851 census (30 March 1851) which if accurate corresponds with a birthdate of 31 March 1836 - 30 March 1837.
No doubt it would help you a lot if she could be found in 1841.
I see that her birthplace (Hainford per 1851) corresponds to that of William Hannant's wife Mary. Has Mary been investigated - perhaps the link is through her? I agree with the others that the use of the name Hannant, including on her marriage re her (otherwise unnamed) father, is not reliably indicative that she came from that side of the family. On the marriage the minister may well have assumed that as she was a spinster using the surname Hannant her father must have been a Mr Hannant.
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William's wife was Mary Hubbard b. abt. 1806 to Henry Hubbard/Hobart b. 1765 and Anne Dyke b.1766. She had the following siblings:
Simon Hubbard/Hobard
1793 – 1873
Nathaniel Hubbard/Hobard
1797 –
Amy Hubbard/Hobard
1800 –
John Hubbard/Hobard
1803-1884
They all appear to have lived and married and had children in the Hainford area. There doesn't appear to have been any reason for their sister to adopt one of their children. I have Amy, her sister married to a Gabriel Bane in 1846. I've searched for Hephzibah Hubbard/Hobard as well as Bane and haven't located any info.
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Have the Horsford baptisms actually been checked?
As far as I can see not on familysearch pre. 1837 and not on FreeReg for the time in question either so don't appear to be online.
Having googled, if I've read it right it sounds like the records for the time in question are still with the church so it could be worth contacting the current vicar and asking if a check can be made.
Annette
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The 1841 Census for Horsford has
Wm Ward Hannant 65
Elizabeth Do. 5
John Self 25
Matilda Do. 24
Sophia Do. 3
Mary Ann Do. 1
Could the Enumerator mis-heard Hephzibah and put Elizabeth?
Is Elizabeth, Matilda's daughter?
yokel
HORSFORD (PD 693)Parish Records held at Norwich Record Office
Original registers:- Baptism 1597-1972, Marriage 1598-1991, Burials 1597-1999, Banns 1754-1985
Microform:- Baptism 1597-1972, Marriages 1598-1962, Burials 1597-1952, Banns 1754-1966
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I'm not really sure who Elizabeth is. If she was Matilda's she should have been listed as a "Self" as she would be Matilda and her husband's child. Matilda is William Ward's youngest child. I suppose this could be a possibility.
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Matilda and John Self didn't marry until Dec quarter 1837, which was after Elizabeth's birth so in theory she was a Hannant. There is also the possibility that Sophia could have been the mother.
Think you need a check of the Horsford PR's :-\
yokel
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I agree. Is there anyone on here that can do look ups or are they available through the LDS microfilms? I've only accessed their online records up until now.
Thank you!
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Hi Tonya
Had a look at the Horsford PR's today and there are no Hannant baptisms between 1830 and 1845 (except the ones for Martha Self late Hannant)
The burial you have for Sophia Hannant (1814-1841) is it the one from FreeBMD
Jun 1841 Tunstead 13 240
if so it is the wrong Sophia as this one was only 1 month old, buried at Dilham 13 May 1841
http://www.rootschat.com/links/014e7/
yokel
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Wow. Thanks for the heads up about Sophia's info. So is there any way to see if Hephzibah was legally adopted by her uncle and would that leave a paper trail? Or would it be more likely at this time that she would just be taken in and never formally adopted?
Thanks so much for all the help!
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I have had a look for a burial or marriage for Sophia, but have been unable to find one. So I am wondering if Hephzibah could have been born in Horsham St Faiths workhouse and that her mother was Sophia who then died in childbirth :-\
Need a look at Horsham St Faiths PR's and those for the workhouse.
yokel
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I would be interested in any information you may have on William Ward HANNANT's parents and their's etc. etc.. I have them as being George Hannant/Hennant and Mary Ward but I have no proof.
Daryl
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I found his baptismal record on ancestry.com:
Name: William Hannant
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 1770
Baptism Place: Bacton,Norfolk,England
Father: George Hannant
Mother: Elizabeth
FHL Film Number: 894715
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And in case you didn't have it, here is George and Elizabeth's marriage record as well:
Name: George Henant
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 29 Jan 1770
Marriage Place: Paston,Norfolk,England
Spouse: Elizabeth Ward
FHL Film Number: 894713
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Apologies if I have missed something, but have you looked at Non-Conformist, specifically Baptist, records for the Hannants?
William Ward Hannant retrospectively registered his 8 children, with their birth dates (between 1794-1817), on the Buxton Baptist Chapel register, on 22 July 1833.
You wondered if William Clark Hannant, b. 21 Aug 1808, at Buxton, may be Hephzibah's parent.
When was his wife Mary born? When did they marry?
Given that William Clark Hannant would have been 29 when Hephzibah was born c 1837, may she have been either his, or their, illegitimate child, later "adopted" for propriety's sake?
This would explain why she has the Hannant surname.
Note (Although my Nor & Suff-folk, previously always presumed to be Anglican, appear on Established Church records, I subsequently found, to my surprise, quite a few of them had very detailed Quaker register entries, so I now routinely check Non Con records as well!)
Cheers,
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Hello,
William Clarke Hannant married Mary Hubbard on 26 Feb 1836 in Hainsford, St. Faiths District. This should be before Hephzibah was born. Mary was born in 1806, in Hainsford. There is a strong possibility that Hephzibah has some connection to the Hubbards as she was born in Hainsford according to census information. I suppose she could be their child, but that begs the question why wouldn't she be recorded as living with them on the census reports until 1851? Also, why refer to her as niece?
I couldn't find her in the Baptist records that are accessible online. Thanks for inquiring, though!