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Title: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: Jan Ann on Sunday 08 June 14 13:41 BST (UK)
Hiyall  ;)

I am trying to track down a Esther Grace Lyons who was born 1881 Melbourne, Victoria to Isaac Lyons and his wife Mary Theresa O'Brien. I am also trying to find out what happened to her daughter.

Grace married George Thomas Blore 1904 North Melbourne. They had two children before George was Killed in Action 1917. Trevor GV Blore (died London 1972, I have lots of information on him - he travelled the world with the Navy and was a writer/journalist) and Vivienne L Blore. I dont know if Vivienne died young or not because I have seen a few trees that suggest Trevor was their only child, but newspaper reports on George's death suggest he had two children when he died, and his Army Record Pension also names Trevor and Vivienne.

Grace may have remarried but Im having trouble tracking her down and I havent a clue what happened to Vivienne L Blore and I cant trace a year of birth for her either but Im guessing between 1906 and 1917 in Victoria.

I found Esther Grace Blore residing at St Kilda in the Victoria Electoral Rolls until 1919 then she disappears.

All help greatly appreciated, as ever  ;D
Cheers
Jan :-*
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: rutht22000 on Sunday 08 June 14 13:52 BST (UK)
Hi Jan

there is a indexed marriage for an Esther Grace Blore in 1927 to a Lewis Henry Braham in Victoria

You'll probably have to get the marriage certificate as there is no other information on the index.

There is also a Vivienne Blore (no middle initial) marrying a Henry Charles Kay in 1937 that could be a possible
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: rutht22000 on Sunday 08 June 14 13:54 BST (UK)
Death of Esther Grace Braham in 1934 in East Malvern, aged 47, confirms her parents as Isaac Lyons and Mary O'Brien

Age is a bit off but confirming the parents it's her.   

Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: Jan Ann on Sunday 08 June 14 13:57 BST (UK)
Thank you so much!!!
I will certainly look at these - I think you have definitely found Esther for me - Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you,
 8)
Jan  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: ennael on Sunday 08 June 14 14:00 BST (UK)
Hi,
BRAHAM - On the 23rd June, at Alverstone,
Finch street, East Malvern, Esther Grace,
dearly beloved wife of Lewis Henry Braham,
loving mother of Trevor and Vivienne.   
(Privately interred on the 25th June.)

   http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/10950024?searchTerm=%27%27esther%20grace%20blore%27%27&searchLimits=

Leanne
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: Jan Ann on Sunday 08 June 14 14:01 BST (UK)
Just found Esther's death notice on Trove which confirms she was the mother of Trevor and Vivienne Thanks again
Thrilled :)
Jan
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: Jan Ann on Sunday 08 June 14 14:02 BST (UK)
OOOOps Leanne - our posts crossed :)
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: rutht22000 on Sunday 08 June 14 14:18 BST (UK)
No problem  ;D

even blanket searching just on Vivienne/Vivian or just using Blore and Bloor or Lyons turns up nothing for her birth all the way up to 1917.  Unless she was not born in Australia or at least not Victoria?  Mind you UK search turning up nothing too.....


random google search turns up Vivienne Lesley Blore born 1917.  http://www.ancientfaces.com/person/vivienne-lesley-blore/139888944

there is an Ogs Brow in Queensland that may be worth looking at as I can't find anywhere called 'Ogs' otherwise
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: ennael on Sunday 08 June 14 14:21 BST (UK)
Hi,
This may be of interest:

http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/DetailsReports/ItemDetail.aspx?Barcode=4520164&isAv=N

P.M sent

Leanne
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: rutht22000 on Sunday 08 June 14 14:34 BST (UK)
Electoral rolls have a Vivienne Lesley Kay living in Cheltenham, VIC 1942 - 1949.  Henry Charles Kay was a moulder
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: Jan Ann on Sunday 08 June 14 14:58 BST (UK)
Thankyou very much for all your help :)

Leanne - the link you pasted just comes up as "session expired" what criteria did you use?
Cheers
Jan
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: ennael on Sunday 08 June 14 15:00 BST (UK)
Hi Jan,
 P.M sent.

Leanne
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: ennael on Sunday 08 June 14 15:15 BST (UK)
Hi,
 The following article confirms the KAY connection:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/55466382?searchTerm=gizi%20blore&searchLimits=

Leanne
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: Jan Ann on Sunday 08 June 14 15:27 BST (UK)
Thanks Leanne - I hadnt spotted that article - I knew about Maria but not that she was Hungarian Royalty  :o 
Cheers
Jan  :-*
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Sunday 08 June 14 15:34 BST (UK)
Births:

BLORE Vivienne Lesley b. 1917 OGS #16982
Father: Geo Thos
Mother: Esther Grace LYONS

BLORE Trevor George Vernon b. 1905 CLIFTON HILL #17096
Father: George Thomas
Mother: Esther Grace LYONS
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Sunday 08 June 14 15:35 BST (UK)
Marriages:

BLORE Vivienne m. KAY Hy Chas 1937 #2565

BLORE Esther Grace m. BRAHAM Lewis Hy 1927 #10941
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: ennael on Sunday 08 June 14 15:39 BST (UK)
Hi,
KAY. — A Service to celebrate the life of Mrs Vivienne Kay will be held in st John’s Anglican Church, Highett St, Mansfield on TUESDAY (Dec. 18, 2012) at 1.30 p.m.     At the conclusion of the service the cortege will proceed to the Mansfield Lawn Cemetery.

http://www.mccormackfunerals.com.au/funeral-notices/

Leanne

Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: Jan Ann on Sunday 08 June 14 15:52 BST (UK)
Great stuff - lots of thanks again

Merlin - what index is this for Viv's birth, is it Victoria -  or where is OGS - or does it stand for stand for something?
Cheers
Jan :-*
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 08 June 14 21:01 BST (UK)
Great stuff - lots of thanks again

Merlin - what index is this for Viv's birth, is it Victoria -  or where is OGS - or does it stand for stand for something?
Cheers
Jan :-*


Perhaps Merlin will have more to offer on the meaning of OGS, but I can tell you that George and Esther were living at Alexandra Rd East St Kilda Melbourne in 1914. This was in the Electoral District of Orrong. I can only guess the OGS might be some sort odd abbreviation of Orrong
Sue
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: judb on Monday 09 June 14 01:26 BST (UK)
You have probably seen George Thomas BLORE's WW1 record online from the National Archives.  There are a few addresses given for Grace and you may be aalbe to work out where she was living at the time of Vivienne's birth which would probably have been within the first half of 1917 given that George embarked for England on 25 September 1916.

http://www.naa.gov.au/

Judith

Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: cando on Monday 09 June 14 01:57 BST (UK)
Hi again Jan ;D

Searching the birth index to 1920 twenty brings up 14 births registrations, seven of which were illegitimate with OGS and MELB OGS, as place of birth. Two previous birth registrations prior to the BLORE reg were for a birth at YINNAR and Yea and the following registration numbers for an unnamed child on the Brighton Train and once again two births at at OGS.  As you probably know you are unable to purchase birth certificates for births within the last 100 years in Vic.  The 1914-1920 Vic bdm CD was published before the legislation was passed.  Merlin will probably know what/where OGS represents. :)

Jan the digitised WW1 service file for George also confirms the family information including children's names along with many addresses for Edith;).

I wonder why Esther Grace and chn weren't mentioned in the family death notice for George T?

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0132h/
Argus 25 Jan 1918

DIED ON SERVICE. 
BLORE.—Killed in action 4th May, 1917 (previously reported wounded and missing) Corp. George Thomas Blore, dearly beloved eldest son of George and Carrie Blore (Richmond), loved brother May (Mrs. Jeanes, Preston), Ethel (Mrs. Griffiths, Preston). Corrie (Mrs. Bradley, Chelsea). Will and Harry (Camberwell), Alf, (returned and re-enlisted A.I.F.), aged 37.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0132g/
Argus 15 Feb 1918
BEREAVEMENT CARDS.
BLORE. - Mr. and Mrs. BLORE, Sen., and Family desire to express their heartfelt THANKS to their many friends for expressions of sympathy by letters and cards in their sad loss of their son and brother, Corporal G. T. Blore, 21st Battalion, killed at Bullecourt, 3rd May. Will all kindly accept this grateful acknowledgment Waltham place, Richmond.

Cheers  ;D
Cando
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: sparrett on Monday 09 June 14 04:22 BST (UK)
I wonder if.....
OGS could be

Order of Good Shepherd

I do notice that a number of births with the OGS after them as place of birth were to women without a registered father to the child..
What do others think?

Sue
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: sparrett on Monday 09 June 14 04:34 BST (UK)
Electoral Roll-

In 1919
Address Queens Mansions, West St Kilda
BLORE Esther Grace. HD

Also 1919
Address 216 Barkly St. St Kilda,
BLORE Esther Grace. Draper

Sue
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: cando on Monday 09 June 14 05:02 BST (UK)
I wonder if.....
OGS could be

Order of Good Shepherd

I do notice that a number of births with the OGS after them as place of birth were to women without a registered father to the child..
What do others think?

Sue

Quote
Searching the birth index to 1920 twenty brings up 14 births registrations, seven of which were illegitimate with OGS and MELB OGS, as place of birth.
Cando

Good thinking Sue :)

The electoral roll addresses are in the WW1 service file.

https://www.goodshepherd.com.au/history
Good Shepherd Archives
The Good Shepherd Archives is located in Abbotsford, Melbourne. The Archive cares for the records of the Good Shepherd Sisters in Australia and New Zealand dating from 1863 until the present day. The collection includes many records about the Sisters’ work with women and girls in need. Register books of admission and discharge have been retained for most residential convents in Australia and New Zealand. The Archive offers a research service to former residents, to their relatives, and to persons interested in the Good Shepherd mission in Australia, New Zealand and Tahiti....................

Cando
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: sparrett on Monday 09 June 14 05:29 BST (UK)
Hi Jan

there is a indexed marriage for an Esther Grace Blore in 1927 to a Lewis Henry Braham in Victoria

You'll probably have to get the marriage certificate as there is no other information on the index.

 

Marriage

BLORE, Esther Grace
BRAHAM, Lewis Henry
1927
#10941

In 1919and 1924 the Electoral Roll shows

Address Finch St East Malvern
BRAHAM, Lewis Henry Solicitor
BRAHAM, Mabel

Mabel died-

BRAHAM Mabel
Father LYONS Saml
Mother  Elizth Ann  ROLLS
Death Place  MALV E
Age  52
Year  1926
Reg Number: 10523

Were Mabel and Esther cousins or just a co-incidence of father's names?


After the death, Esther and Lewis BRAHAM are at 8 Finch Street, East Malvern.

Sue
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: sparrett on Monday 09 June 14 05:35 BST (UK)
I wonder why Esther Grace and chn weren't mentioned in the family death notice for George T?


George BLORE enlisted August 1st 1916

It may be interesting to know the month of the year 1917 for Vivienne's birth.

It must have been difficult for George to leave his wife expecting a baby and it had been a long gap between babies too, I see.

Sue

 
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: judb on Monday 09 June 14 06:10 BST (UK)
Sue, he embarked for England on 25 September 1916.  He may not have known she was pregnant.  I'm like you - would like to know the date of Vivienne's birth - she may not have even been born when he was killed.

His will is on PROV - Esther Grace BLORE is the executrix,; will is dated 24 September, 1916, address at that time: Queen's Mansions, St Kilda.  Probate was granted 15 February, 1918 at which time Grace's address was 42 Foote St, Albert Park.  The inventory shows he owned land in Monbulk.

Esther Grace BLORE was the sole beneficiary.

Judith
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Monday 09 June 14 09:49 BST (UK)
Merlin - what index is this for Viv's birth, is it Victoria -  or where is OGS - or does it stand for stand for something?
Perhaps Merlin will have more to offer on the meaning of OGS,
Merlin will probably know what/where OGS represents. :)

OGS is an abbreviation for Office of the Government Statist.

The 1914-1920 index also shows other abbreviations on some birth registrations:
O G S (with spaces), GOVT STATIST & STATISTS OFFICE.
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Monday 09 June 14 10:03 BST (UK)
It may be interesting to know the month of the year 1917 for Vivienne's birth.
It must have been difficult for George to leave his wife expecting a baby and it had been a long gap between babies too, I see.
I'm like you - would like to know the date of Vivienne's birth - she may not have even been born when he was killed.

Vivienne was born before 5 Sep 1917 as that is the date on the Pension Statement that appears in his NAA file.

Given that the OGS was involved, my guess would be that her birth registration was probably late. Some of the others on the index appear to be late registrations &/or alterations that require approval from the OGS.
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: Jan Ann on Monday 09 June 14 11:40 BST (UK)
Well,  :o :o :o

As usual when I post on the Aussie board - oodles of lovely information  :D :D :D

Thank you everyone - your time and effort is very much appreciated :)
I havent a clue when Vivienne was born - Like Merlin says the records for his pension state "2 children" in Sept 1917. Merlin's registration ref: states 1917  and Unfortunately her funeral notice doesnt give an age. There are tree's on GR and other sites which have her born anywhere between 1904 and 1918 :)
and you're right - I found it a bit weird that his wife and two children weren't on the Killed in action notice.

Thanks once again
Cheers
Jan ;D
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: ~MERLIN~ on Monday 09 June 14 11:50 BST (UK)
You have two choices to find her age  ;)

Contact the Mansfield Lawn Cemetery:

Mansfield Shire Council
Private Bag 1000
33 Highett Street,
Mansfield Victoria 3724
Phone 03 5775 8555
Fax 03 5775 2677
Requests for information can also be made via email to: council[AT]mansfield.vic.gov.au

OR


The option to purchase her marriage certificate noted in my Reply #15 which will give her age & place of birth.

https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: sparrett on Monday 09 June 14 12:15 BST (UK)
A most interesting thread.

From Merlin I have learnt about the Office of the Government Statist, a body whose roll in BDMs I had never been aware of before.

 ;D Learnt a bit about the  Good Sisters too, though irrelevant as it turns out ;D

Always good to hear from you, Jan

Sue
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: judb on Monday 09 June 14 14:18 BST (UK)
Thanks, Merlin.  I've learnt something as well.

Am I right then, in thinking that it's possible that Vivienne's birth may have been well before the date of registration?

Judith
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: Jan Ann on Monday 09 June 14 15:27 BST (UK)
Good to hear from you too Sue ( ;) ) and Cando - cant believe it's 9 years since my first post  :o

I learn loads off all of you, every time I post a request :) I must update another post about my grandfather-in-law - some of you may remember about the rogue who "went on holiday" on VJ Day 1945 and never returned - all you lovely people found he had died in Adelaide. ;)

I am now looking at George Thomas Blore's younger siblings all  born in Victoria, all children of George Blore and Carrie Crowle  (Sarah Jane caroline to giver her the full title)- :

William John Blore b 1882 Coralie Jessie 1883, Nellie Louisa 1886, Percy Norman 1887, Alfred Houghton 1888, Harry Scholes 1889.   I have gathered sufficient info on George's older siblings Mary Caroline, Lydia janet, Edith Ellen and Ethel Barbara.

In case any of you are wondering (I know lots of you know me already) The family I am researching are all descendants of LYDIA TIVEY and John HOUGHTON, Mary Houghton, their daughter b 1821 Melbourne, Derbyshire, married Thomas BLORE, a tailor in 1845, he was found guilty of 4 accounts of fraud and sentenced to 7 years deportation in 1848. (finally deported to Tasmania in 1850) Mary, his wife and George (their son b 1846 Derby) joined him in 1858. I found two other children born -Tasmania Alfred and Lydia Mary. I have lots of info on Alfred and his offspring - apart from his birth registration which was c1859 (acc to death). Lydia Mary died a spinster.  If any of you are bored and want to help then please feel free to add information or links - all help appreciated as always :)

Cheers
Jan  :-* :-* :-*

Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: cando on Tuesday 10 June 14 06:31 BST (UK)
Not bored Jan...just having a break from weeding the garden ;D

BLORE William John born 1882 Heyfield Reg#3251  Died 1962 Parkville Reg#7846 Married 1907 Reg#5073 Mabel May ANDERSON born Stawell Reg#21198 - Died Mt Waverley 1980 Reg#11919   
Children Thelma May Camberwell 1909  Reg#17120; Phyllis Ingram Hawthorn 1911 Reg#12908

BLORE Coralie Jessie born Heyfield 1883 Reg#9994.  Died Wangaratta 1964 Reg#16404.  Married Victoria 1906 Reg#7061 Wm John BRADLEY [born Ireland]
Children Wm Roy Brunswick 1907 Reg#16601; Elsie Coralie Brunswick North 1912 Reg#9595

BLORE Nellie Louisa born Carlton 1886 Reg#8481 Died Carlton 9 months 1886 Reg#12065

BLORE Percy Norman born Carlton 1887 Reg#9245 –  Died Traralgon 8 months 1887 Reg#15859

BLORE Alfred Houghton born Traralgon 1888 Reg#16242  Died Norwood SA 1974  Married 1914 Reg#6401  Elsie May REYNOLDS born Frankston 1883 Reg#2606 and died Dandenong Vic 1970 Reg#383.
Children Alfred Stuart 1915-2001; George Loughlin 1916-2001; Patricia Caroline 1921-2003 and Peter John 1927-2007.

BLORE Harry Scholes born Traralgon 1889 Reg#17114 and died  Melbourne 1951 Reg#12185.   Married 1915 Reg#5734 Pearl Eva BAILEY

The Argus  27 Oct 1951
BLORE.—On October 25. at the Alfred Hospital Harry Scholes, dearly beloved husband of Eva Pearl, loving father of Nancy (Mrs. Cuddon), Elva (Mrs Davies), and Joy (Mrs. Boldiston). dear grandpa Pat, Graham, lan, Bruce, Phyllis, and John, aged 62 years. Peacefully sleeping.

BLORE.—On October 25, at Alfred Hospital, Harry Scholes, youngest child of the late George and Carrie Blore, loved brother of May (Mrs M Jeanes, deceased), Ethel (Mrs E Griffiths). George (deceased). Will, Corrie (Mrs C Bradley), and Alf.

Cremation record
http://smct.org.au/deceasedsearch/result/160626

Jan many BLORE's cremated at Springvale Botanical Cemetery
http://www.deceasedsearch.com/index.php

I'll add more info as I find it.

Cheers  :)
Cando
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: cando on Tuesday 10 June 14 07:14 BST (UK)
Gippsland Farmers Journal 29 Jan 1918

The Supreme Sacrifice. Old residents of Traralgon will  remember Mr Geo. Blore, who conducted the "Eazywalkin" boot shop nearly 30 years ago, and previously had charge of the old Hey field flour mill.

"The Argus" of Friday last contains the obituary notice of his son George, who has made the supreme sacrifice in France. As a boy the late soldier attended the Methodist Sunday- school, and also the State school. In after years he joined the Public Service, and won a good position with the Closer Settlement Board. He answered the Empire's call, and though the Board advised him to enlist for home service, he preferred to go abroad. He subsequently made an improvement to the artillery, which was submitted to the Imperial authorities.

This brave soldier leaves a young wife and two children. 


Cando     
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: Jan Ann on Tuesday 10 June 14 09:20 BST (UK)
Thank  ;D you Cando, you are a star!!!
As always  :D
Thank you very much for all your time. Eternally grateful.
Cheers
Jan  :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Help Needed for Victoria Family Please
Post by: misfit on Monday 04 January 16 10:36 GMT (UK)
For any who are still following George Blore: The Australian War Memorial in Canberra will be commemorating his life in their Last Post ceremony to be held at 4.55pm on May 3rd this year. They honour the life and sacrifice of a different person every day, and the calendar is on their website. They are interested to hear from family members to obtain a biography and also a photo of the person honoured.
Family members are invited to attend the 5 minute ceremony and lay a wreath. It is streamed live on the AWM website and then a video of the service is added to the website after about 6 weeks.

This is a fairly recent initiative so I thought it was worth bringing it to people's attention. Hope this helps.