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Title: Merchant marine enquiry.
Post by: Red Tom on Friday 06 June 14 20:31 BST (UK)
Good evening folks, I wonder if anyone knows how I can go about searching for information re a particular 19th c merchant vessel,any sites etc which may be useful?
Thanks, Tom.
Title: Re: Merchant marine enquiry.
Post by: philipsearching on Friday 06 June 14 20:43 BST (UK)
Hallo, Tom

You could start with The Ships List http://www.theshipslist.com/index.html.

All the best
Philip
Title: Re: Merchant marine enquiry.
Post by: Red Tom on Friday 06 June 14 21:44 BST (UK)
Thank you Phillip, had a quick look, but I drew a blank, I'll give it another try tomorrow, if anything else springs to mind, I'd be grateful. Tom.
Title: Re: Merchant marine enquiry.
Post by: Romilly on Friday 06 June 14 22:09 BST (UK)

If you give a name and date for the vessel, - I'm sure that someone on here will be able to help...

Romilly.
Title: Re: Merchant marine enquiry.
Post by: Red Tom on Saturday 07 June 14 06:46 BST (UK)
Hello Romilly, I couldn't see a relevant marine forum,so didn't post much of help I'm afraid...
I have been researching an ancestor,William Hindley,b12/04/1865 in Woolton, Lancs. He was placed 'by order' on the merchant marine  training ship 'Indefatigible' in 1878,and after just over 3 yrs, ended his time as a cadet there.

He left the 'Indie' on 01/11/1881 for Garston,Lancs to join ship as ordinary seaman.
From the transcript of the records, the nearest I and the library staff could arrive at for the name of this ship was 'Manna? Lea? Lou? looked for certain like 2 words, (5 syllables, and 2 syllables).

I tried looking in the library archives for info re the man/ship,but was unsuccessful,and given my lack of any experience  in this field of research, I'd be grateful of any help whatsoever...
Title: Re: Merchant marine enquiry.
Post by: philipsearching on Saturday 07 June 14 14:28 BST (UK)
You could try LLoyds Register: - http://www.lr.org/en/research-and-innovation/historical-information/lloyds-register-of-ships-online/  When I used it I found it a real pain to research, but I did get the information I needed.

Would "Marina" be an alternative to "Manna"? - this could open up more possibilities.

Good hunting
Philip
Title: Re: Merchant marine enquiry.
Post by: seaweed on Saturday 07 June 14 14:56 BST (UK)
http://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/vesselsalpha.php

http://archive.org/search.php?query=lloyd%27s%20AND%20shipping%20AND%20mediatype%3Atexts&sort=-date

http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/mercantile-navy-list.html
Title: Re: Merchant marine enquiry.
Post by: philipsearching on Saturday 07 June 14 17:47 BST (UK)
I was hoping that seaweed would spot this thread.  You can't get better advice!
Title: Re: Merchant marine enquiry.
Post by: Romilly on Saturday 07 June 14 23:25 BST (UK)
Quote from: philipsearching on Saturday 07 June 14 17:47 BST (UK)
I was hoping that seaweed would spot this thread.  You can't get better advice!

Hi Red Tom,

I would agree with Philip, - Seaweed is very knowledgeable in this area, - hope this helps.

Romilly.
Title: Re: Merchant marine enquiry.
Post by: Red Tom on Sunday 08 June 14 07:46 BST (UK)
Thank you seaweed for that,I've saved the links and feel sure they will be helpful. Thanks also to Phillip and Romilly for pitching in.
Title: Re: Merchant marine enquiry.
Post by: leighton on Sunday 08 June 14 14:30 BST (UK)
Hello Red Tom,

The Liverpool Mercury dated 7 November 1881 reported that the ship Manna Loa sailed from Liverpool on the 5 November 1881 for Valparaiso.

There were a number of ships called the Mauna Loa, perhaps this was the name of your ship.

leighton
Title: Re: Merchant marine enquiry.
Post by: seaweed on Sunday 08 June 14 20:51 BST (UK)
I think Leightons suggestion of MAUNA LOA official number 72640 often misspelled MANNA LOA is a good a place to start as any.
She was a barque built and registered in Maitland Nova Scotia in 1881 built and owned by C Putnam 1086 grt. She left the British Register in 1898, sold foreign and after several name changes and owners she was lost in 1924 off Kefken Turkey.
You need to look at her 1881 and more likely her 1882 crew agreements to see weather your man was on board.
This can be obtained from here.
http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=72640
Cost $40 Canadian per hour research fee.
Title: Re: Merchant marine enquiry.
Post by: Red Tom on Monday 09 June 14 06:47 BST (UK)
Quote from: leighton on Sunday 08 June 14 14:30 BST (UK)
Hello Red Tom,

The Liverpool Mercury dated 7 November 1881 reported that the ship Manna Loa sailed from Liverpool on the 5 November 1881 for Valparaiso.

There were a number of ships called the Mauna Loa, perhaps this was the name of your ship.

leighton
Thank you leighton, I'm grateful for your help.
Title: Re: Merchant marine enquiry.
Post by: Red Tom on Monday 09 June 14 06:51 BST (UK)
Quote from: seaweed on Sunday 08 June 14 20:51 BST (UK)
I think Leightons suggestion of MAUNA LOA official number 72640 often misspelled MANNA LOA is a good a place to start as any.
She was a barque built and registered in Maitland Nova Scotia in 1881 built and owned by C Putnam 1086 grt. She left the British Register in 1898, sold foreign and after several name changes and owners she was lost in 1924 off Kefken Turkey.
You need to look at her 1881 and more likely her 1882 crew agreements to see weather your man was on board.
This can be obtained from here.
http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=72640   

I appreciate your help in this seaweed, I would never have got past the starting post on my own, thank you.