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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: lesd on Wednesday 04 June 14 05:57 BST (UK)
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I have a relative (William Shaw) with a number of christenings for his children from 1766 to 1779 and the place he was living on each occasions was either "Dodgroid" or "Dodegroid" in West Yorkshire and all christening in Almondbury.
Would appreciate if anyone can advise where or what this name is ?
Thanks
LesD
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http://archive.today/lXoA
Could it be Digley Royd? click supplementry link.. on link, it seems to be a farm house. Was he a farmer??
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Thanks for the fast response, but no, seven christenings is "Dodgroid and one Dodgeroid" and listed as Clothier.
LesD
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Google indicates that there are lots of Royds in Almondbury. Found Sharp, South, High and more. Your best bet might be to get an Ordnance Survey map of the area and just work systematically through until you find something that seems to fit.
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Hi
I would think it was Dods Royd, also spelt Dodds Royd.
John
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Checked some further parish records and would like to confirm the name as Dodge Royd still have no idea where it is, seeing all parish records for this person (William Shaw) are all from Almondbury All Hallows church.
Lesd
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Newspaper archives refer to Dodge Royd as being near Triangle, Halifax. If you look at Triangle on a map there is a Dodge Royd Wood and on old maps Dodge Royd is marked on Longley Lane to the right of Triangle
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Good find. Triangle is about 12 miles from Almondbury though, so there may have been another Dodd Royd or Dodge Royd closer than that, unless he had particular family ties that took him back there for family christenings.
I grew up in the West Riding, and Royd is an extremely common element in place names, many of which could have been lost over time. In my own home town, for instance, there were areas called West Royd, Water Royd and Fox Royd.
Mike
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Thanks for the assistance, all the family back too 1706 were christened at Almondbury All Hallows, so could be the reason, other familr before this one lived at Castle Houses, and have not found that either.
LesD
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It's just across the valley from 'ere. Used to take dog walkies there
It's too far from Almondbury to be likely; I'd be looking for somewhere closer
Pauline
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Castle House Farm is, unsurprisingly, right next to Castle Hill, the most prominent landmark in Almondbury.
Mike
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Here's some history about Castle Houses.
Mike
http://www.castlehousefarm.co.uk/history.htm (http://www.castlehousefarm.co.uk/history.htm)
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Thanks, my line (Shaw) have been there at or about 1730 through to ? William the last son was born 1740 his first child born Dodge Wood 1765. Still researching.
LesD
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The Parish Registers of Kirkburton Vol 2, p lxxvii mentions a survey of Almondbury 1584, the estate of a Thomas Lockwood.
His land included Dudmanstone (Deadmanstone), a house called Bridgroyd, one house and garden called Dodgeroyd and one house and garden in ye tenure of Uxor Shaw. It also mentions land at Sturley (Stirley).
From this it sounds like Berry Brow to me and having looked at the maps I see a Dodd's Royd near Armitage Bridge, opposite Station Lane.
Stu
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Appreciate that info, have record of the marriage of Mathew Shaw & Hannah Anely 1724 and living at Lockwood.
I noticed you have house and garden called Dodgeroyd and that is the exact spelling in the parish records, Williams father must have been there as well and later moved to Castle Houses and William moved back there when old enough.
Great theory
Lesd
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Why where on such a good roll, I have Matthew Shaw b Almondbury All Hallows 17 Nov 1706, father Matthew, can no fully decipher the place where born, it looks like Noxxxxbly . Have looked for his father in the parish registers but can not find him, any ideas, could he be from Scotland as Shaw seems to be a name originating there.
Thanks
Lesd
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..... can no fully decipher the place where born, it looks like Noxxxxbly . ....
Thanks
Lesd
If you post the image of the place name here we can try to help decipher it. Provide a reasonable amount of other handwriting so we can get a feel for the way the letters are formed. :)
You can check the distribution of the surname Shaw here:
http://gbnames.publicprofiler.org/Surnames.aspx
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Attached is the particular entry in the parish records 17 Nov 1706
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Lesd,
I have taken the liberty of starting a new thread on the deciphering board asking for help interpreting the above handwriting:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=689444.new#new
I hope you don't mind. :)
[I can request that a modertor remove it if needs be.]
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Hi
Castle Houses is next to Castle Hill and about a mile to the west was Dodds Royd as mentioned before but that area was demolished.
John
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I can't see a place name on the extract that's been posted.
I can see the names of two people and a date in November.
Am I missing something?
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I can't see a place name on the extract that's been posted.
I can see the names of two people and a date in November.
Am I missing something?
Agree with Jennifer - it's the two names (Matthew and Jana) and a November date.
Gadget
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Why where on such a good roll, I have Matthew Shaw b Almondbury All Hallows 17 Nov 1706, father Matthew, can no fully decipher the place where born, it looks like Noxxxxbly .
You said it yourself - November :)
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Have looked for his father in the parish registers but can not find him, any ideas, could he be from Scotland as Shaw seems to be a name originating there.
Lesd
I think that you will find that Shaw is a common name locally and they probably had lived in the Almondbury/Huddersfield area long before 1700. Notice that the survey of 1584 mentioned that the Shaws lived near to Dodgeroyd even then.
I would continue looking in the same area if I were you.
Stu
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Whilst we've got Almondbury place names experts on the case, could I ask if anyone knows where "Heck Fold" was in 1851?
Definitely in the centre of Almondbury, probably near the church, as it was the address of the curate Soloman Briggs.
I'd be interested to know where the place is today-perhaps a different name.
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There's mention of the place in the A2A manorial archives
Articles of Agreement Tong/3/377 27 May 1686
These documents are held at West Yorkshire Archive Service, Bradford
Contents:
Between Sir John Tempest of Newton Grange, Baronet, of the one part, and Richard Rayner of Milnebridge in the Parish of Birstall, tanner, James Margerison of Moorehouse in the same Parish, tanner, Jonathan Nettleton of Tong, tanner, and Richard Margerison of Tong, tanner, of the other part; in consideration of the sum of £200, all the woods etc. growing in the several woods in Tong called Goodall Wood, Lisperclough, Skitterieclough, Mayhill, the Roide, Proctor Roide, Over Lyneham, Nether Lyneham, Fallcroft, Etton Roides, Highclose and Dodgeroide.
My best guess is that the archives will have an old map which shows the exact place.
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Heck Fold:
From the Annals of the Church and Parish of Almondbury p129:
"Next to the Church, the first objects which claim our attention,
are buildings connected with it. The Clerk's House at the
west end has already been described (pages 71 and 72) and is
represented in the view of the Church as it was in 18 18.* It is
situated in what is called "Heck Fold;" an open space so named
from there having formerly been there a public house called " The
Heck ; " a term used for part of a Stable or " Mistal." A Cottage
belonging to the Vicar probably occupies its site. Several inferior
buildings were removed to make a drive and open space, when the
Vicarage was restored and enlarged in 1868 and 70. But " Heck
Fold " was remarkable for a Well or Pump of pure and unfailing
water, now closed up, since the Huddersfield Waterworks have
been made to supply the village, from a Reservoir situated above
Ashes Common."
So somewhere close to the Vicarage I would think.
Stu
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Stu, thanks for the info about Heck Fold.
I'll go and have a look and see if I can identify which building it might have been.
Though I am "local"' I've never come across the word heck meaning mistal or cowshed. Very interesting-wonder what the origins of the word are? I know that mistal/mistle comes from the German word Mist meaning, politely, farmyard manure! Quite a lot of houses around here, converted from old barns, have been named "The Mistal", presumably by owners who are unaware that it originally meant cow(ie manure)shed.
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Had a look at old- maps-online and notice that there was/is a small area called Well Head near where Heck Fold could have been. This seems a good clue, in view of the info Stu provided.
Thanks.