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Hello, I am currently researching my Great Grandparents Charles William Thorne (Fleet Engineer) and Alice Ann Elizabeth Garner who lived in Saltash Cornwall around 1897-ish. I am having trouble finding out anything about them for some reason, can anyone help me out? Thank you.
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Hi
Can you give us some details of any of their children please - names/birthyears/birthplaces etc
Were they married by 1897
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Is this the correct birth for Alice
Births March qtr 1869
Alice Ann E Garner Portsea 2b 484
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there are 2 baptisms to the couple transcribed on this site, one in 1900, one in 1901
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/person-search/
and there's an address in Saltash given on the records. So the couple should be in Beech Terrace for the 1901 census.
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So this must be the 1901 entry
Charles W Thorne 52 fleet engineer Royal Navy b Alverstoke Hants
Alice A 32 b Southsea Hants
Leslie V 8 Months b Cornwall Saltash
RG13 Piece 2190 Folio 18 Page 28
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My grandfather was Beresford Cazenove Thorne born 1901 -1988 he married Emma Brown, 2 children Anthony and Patricia and his elder brother was Leslie Vivian Thorne 1900-1942 he is buried in Egypt and married to Amy cousins, they also had 2 children June and Patricia. The problem I am having is finding out if Alice was married to Charles as it appears he was married to another lady called Catherine before and also some records say that charles may have been dead before my grandfather was born. Also there is a reference to Beresford Cazenove Scott on some other sites.
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There is a 1911 entry for the family in Saltash which includes Charles. Rootschat does not allow us to publish 1911 details due to copyright restrictions so you will need to look it up
http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx
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If you have not already done so you might like to purchase CW Thorne's service record, but if nothing else it does provide a date of birth:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7592892 (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D7592892)
Martin
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No note on the 1901 baptism to suggest Charles is dead, showing as retired. Possible death reg
Charles W Thorne 70 sep qtr 1919 Plymouth vol 5b pg 285
His first marriage
Charles William Thorne sep qtr 1870 Greenwich vol 1d pg 961 with Catherine Day Borrett on the same page
& this death reg
Catherine Day Thorne 39 sept qtr 1890 Sheppey vol 2a pg 463
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That is very strange because my father told me that my great grandfather had died which was why my grandad signed up for WW1 under age. I am aware that Beresford Thorne is listed as serving in the first world war as I have checked this, therefore I believed that part to be true. I wonder if there is a possibility that my Grandfathers father wasn't Charles William Thorne and was the son of Beresford Cazenove Scott who died 1907.
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if you have his birth cert and that shows him as son of Charles William, as his baptism does, Charles William believed him to be his son. Beresford Cazenove Scott was also in the Royal Navy, he may have been a friend of Charles William who then named his son after him.
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1238278
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It looks like Charles & Alice did not marry. His service record shows that his estate was left to Alice Garner.
Her death registration
Alice A E G Thorne 89 sept qtr 1958 Southampton vol 6b pg 561
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Thank you, I checked out the National Archives and it appears that Alice didn't marry Charles as she is refereed to as Mrs Garner. The address that is given is actually an address that we already had for Alice as she was an Artist and had signed and written the same address on the back of one of her paintings that we still have in the family. :)