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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: jobyone on Saturday 31 May 14 08:46 BST (UK)
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I am searching for information on descendants of George Hogg (1861-?) and Ellen Macardy (abt 1871-1926) m. 1886 Victoria, Australia. There is strong circumstantial evidence that their son George Hogg is my great grandfather, but I'd like something more concrete!
Their children:
Joseph George (1888-1963)
Catherine Ellen (1890-1955) m. ? Gale
John Henry (1892-?)
Clara Kinghorn (1895-1973) m. ? Condick
George (1897-1963?)
Robert Harley (1901-1970)
Ivy Isabel (1903-1903)
Myrtle Florence (1906-?)
Stella (1908-1985) m. ? Young
Young George joined the Army in 1915, at the age of 18, listing his occupation as driver. His mother and father are both listed on the attestation paper, at the address 110 Chestnut Street, Richmond. He was wounded in battle, receiving a gun shot wound to the head, and returned home in 1918.
According to the electoral rolls, he lives with his parents at 16 The Esplanade, Brighton, Victoria in 1919, and in 1924 his uncle David Kinghorn Hogg (labourer) is there too. George is listed as a soldier. In 1931 and 1937 he is living in Monbulk, Victoria with his uncle David Kinghorn Hogg, listed as having no occupation.
There is a George Hogg, parents George and Ellen, who died in Western Australia in 1963, age 66.
The George Hogg I am searching for was a sugar cane cutter in the Innisfail/Homehill area of Queensland in 1927/1928, and had been in the army in WWI. He came from the same area as my Ggrandmother, who was born in Wychitella, Victoria. He fathered my grandmother with Jean Isobel McKenzie, who was working in a boarding house in Innisfail. My grandmother, Dawn, was born in Sherwood Private Hospital, Innisfail in June 1928. Dr Craig and Matron Wise attended.
From Jean's 1928 diary, George is around and visiting, and is in hospital with fever from 4-15 May 1928.
They didn't marry, much to my GGgrandmother's disgust and consternation. She told everyone that Jean and George had married in Queensland, but he had a plate in his head from the war that corroded from his excessive drinking, and killed him before he could come back to Victoria. Jean died of TB in 1936, and is buried under her supposed married name of Hogg in Lilydale Cemetery.
My grandmother remembers two men coming to their property in Warburton Road, Lilydale, asking questions, and being run off by her grandmother. She has always believed that one of those men was her father.
George is not listed on my grandmother's birth certificate, so any information would be welcome.
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There is a cemetery record as follows:
HOGG George H
Age: not shown
Death: 9 Sept 1935
Cemetery: Lilydale
Victoria.
There is a Jean also buried but no other details, the cemetery list for the surname Hogg
lists another 10 besides those of a George H and a Jean.
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Thanks, but I think that is George Henry Hogg, the son of John Hogg and Mary Jane Fuller, who died in 1935 at the age of 38. They lived in Wandin in 1924, and have orchards.
The Hogg family are rather large, and there are lots of them in the Lilydale area.
The George I am looking for doesn't seem to have a middle name, and doesn't seem to have married.
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Hi
Have you checked out this death in NSW.
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 – 1954 Friday 20 December 1946
HOGG _ The Funeral of the late George Hogg, late of 1st A.I.F., will leave our Chapel, 810 George Street, Sydney, This Friday at 10.30 a.m. for Botany Cemetery. Wood Coffill Limited.
Only three men named George HOGG in WW1 records with only one first name that I could see.
23602/1946 SYDNEY
HOGG George
Father GEORGE Mother not recorded
Essie
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I think from your post you are trying to account for the whereabouts of George HOGG the son of George HOGG and Ellen MACARDY from his last definite sighting in the year 1937 in Victoria and you think he may be the chap who died in WA in 1963.
Here is some information about the possible man named George HOGG in WA.
The man who died in WA in 1963 was cremated at Karrakatta Cemetery and his ashes scattered there. His last address was Cottesloe. http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/
There is a marriage-
HOGG George
to BROWN Norma E.
At Boulder
1938
81 M
Electoral Roll 1936
BROWN, Norma Elizabeth. Balmoral Hotel. Waitress
Possibly her Birth
BROWN Norma E at LEEDERVILLE Reg 160 Yr 1906
Electoral Roll 1943
Address, Hake (Forrest WA)
HOGG, George, Swamper
HOGG Norma Elizabeth HD
1949 and 1954
Address, Roelands (Forrest WA)
HOGG George, quarryman
HOGG Norma Elizabeth HD
1958 and 1963 ??? (same couple? Don't know)
Address. 23 Goldfinch St, South Bunbury.
HOGG, George. Caretaker
HOGG, Norma Elizabeth. HD
And also 1958
Address as Roelands
HOGG George, quarryman
HOGG Norma Elizabeth HD
Also 1963 and then 1968, 1972, 1977,1980
Address 35 Marain St. Innaloo (Stirling WA)
Hogg, Norma Elizabeth HD
No others of the surname
The apparent doubling up on E Roll entries may possibly be because previous enlistments were not removed when new ones were registered.
Nothing in any of this information confirms or otherwise that this is your man.
However the age at death and the date of the marriage do tie in with what is known of his details.
Sue
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Ordering the death certificate of this man in WA will perhaps tell you if it is the man born in Monbulk
and depending on the informant's knowledge may show more useful information.
http://www.bdm.dotag.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx
Sue
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Of the information that you are using, how much is taken from the diary?
"...The George Hogg I am searching for was a sugar cane cutter in the Innisfail/Homehill area of Queensland in 1927/1928, and had been in the army in WWI. He came from the same area as my Ggrandmother, who was born in Wychitella, Victoria. He fathered my grandmother with Jean Isobel McKenzie, who was working in a boarding house in Innisfail".
Is all this from the diary?.
Wychitella to Innisfail seems to be a rather great distance for Jean Isobel McKenzie to relocate, and happen to meet a man from the same area in Victoria.
Did George and Jean go there together to work?
Do you have the diary?
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Have you checked out this death in NSW.
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 – 1954 Friday 20 December 1946
HOGG _ The Funeral of the late George Hogg, late of 1st A.I.F., will leave our Chapel, 810 George Street, Sydney, This Friday at 10.30 a.m. for Botany Cemetery. Wood Coffill Limited.
Only three men named George HOGG in WW1 records with only one first name that I could see.
23602/1946 SYDNEY
HOGG George
Father GEORGE Mother not recorded
His burial shows he was 81yo:
George HOGG 20/12/1946 81yrs
Location: G14-General FM 14-32
http://www.esmp.net.au/search-map-facility/cemetery-search.aspx
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Two certificates would help identify if it is your person of interest.
Information on a marriage cert is more reliable than the death cert.
Marriage -
HOGG George
to BROWN Norma E.
At Boulder
1938 Reg#81
Posted by Sue and amended to show Reg number. :)
Death
HOGG George
Father George Mother Ellen 66 years
District Perth Reg#2859 1963
Cremation record also gives his age
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00021117
Cando
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Ellen Catherine HOGG married Frederick George Gale
Ellen Cath Hogg
To Geo Fredk Gale
Yr 1912
Reg 5498
There were births to Ellen Catherine
HOGG Edna May
Father Unknown
Mother Ellen Cath HOGG
Birth Place CARL
Year 1912
Reg. Number 1465
Registered again-
GALE Edna May
Father Fredk Geo
Mother Ellen Cath HOGG
At CARLTON
Year 1912
Reg. 27792
HOGG Chas Leslie
Father Unknown
Mother Ellen Cath HOGG
Birth Place SHERBROKE
Year 1907
Reg. Number 30257
Electoral Rolls seem to show she and Frederick remained together until at least 1924. Her address then changes to different places in Melbourne and in 1943 she is in ACT with her brother Henry John HOGG and her son Charles Leslie HOGG and his wife.
She died aged 63 in 1955 reg 2217 at Park. (Victoria)
Probably the death of John Henry Brother of Ellen Catherine in NSW
Reg 12412 Yr 1960 HOGG John Henry
Father George
67 YRS
At MORUYA
He lived at Moruya with his nephew Charles Leslie HOGG and Charles' wife.
More details are available about these people, but may not be relevant to your search.
Sue
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Robert Harley married-
HOGG, Robert Harley
To FARRINGTON, Liln
1927
Reg 9953
He died-
HOGG Robert Harley
Father Geo HOGG
Mother Ellen MACARDY
Yr 1970
At Sand.
Aged 69
Again more available if relevant.
Sue
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Regarding Myrtle Florence HOGG
A bit of a longshot here ???
Electoral Roll
1937
Address Yarra gr. Hawthorn
HOGG, Myrtle Florence, Machinist
Marriage in WA
HOGG Myrtle F to WILLIAMS John
at East Coolgardie
Reg 190
Yr 1936
Myrtle Florence WILLIAMS appears on WA Electoral Rolls from 1943
John is away on service I think, but they are together in 1954
1954
Address 189 Marmion Street Palmyra.
WILLIAMS, John ,Painter
WILLIAMS Florence Myrtle. HD
She was cremated in 1983 at Fremantle Cemetery and her age at death was 77 so that is correct.
for the birth date .
It appears possible that she and brother George may have departed for WA around the same time.
Sue
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Thank you everyone!
I do have the diary, but it is tiny, and often the writing is in pencil. There is one short line for each day, and lots of these consist of the weather, how well she felt, and any friends she sees.
The information I have about George Hogg, is mostly from my grandmother. We're sticking mostly to what her mother told her, but the plate-in-head story her grandmother told everyone DOES mesh with the gunshot wound to the head.
One of the entries in her diary is Monday 19 June: I go to Silkwood to see George.
Jean was sent up to Queensland for her health, where she worked, mostly in boarding houses and hotels. There are several references to her work: "General rows me in dining room" "Big crowd arrive" "Work day on... Very busy" "Go in the bar for first time" "Busy. Full house".
Lots of itinerant workers would travel up to Queensland to cut sugar cane. Hard work, but well paid.
I'll get that death certificate, and maybe the marriage cert too, and see how I go.
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I am doing some research of my relatives in the Monbulk area in the 1900's. My great aunt was a close and great friend of George Hogg b.3.12.1896. George's information of him enlisting in ww1 and other information is on the Monbulk RSL web site. His mother was Ellen McCarthy and his father George Hogg, he has a brother John Henry Hogg. I might have a photograph of the younger George as I have some of my great aunt and grandmother. Wondering if this is of any help
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My great aunt was a close and great friend of George Hogg b.3.12.1896. I might have a photograph of the younger George as I have some of my great aunt and grandmother.
Really? How exciting! Do you know if this George Hogg is the one I'm looking for? Did he ever mention having a child? I would love to know more!