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Title: Help with 1861 Census Re:Thomas Nock Visitor:
Post by: ansett on Thursday 29 May 14 10:27 BST (UK)
When searching the 1861 Census The Family  that evening were the Robinson Family

The address Walkers Yard Snow Hill Wolverhampton:

John Robinson born C 1824 age 37. Occupation Groom Born Durham County
Wife Martha (Nock)  C 1833  age 28 Occupation Tailoress. B Birmingham Warwickshire

Children :Henry1853:  Charles 1865:   Maria   1855:  James 1858:  John  1861: Harriet 1862:
Charlotte  1864:All born Wolverhampton.

The visitor to the house is Thomas Nock age 12 years Occupation Plater Born Wolverhampton,
the abbreviation that  refers to Thomas shows S.LAW!.. too young to be the son in law to Martha and John.

I do believe there is a connection to the Robinson and Nock families unable to sort this one out Looked all over.Hoping someone might recognise the family names. Do you have access to 1861 Census? Perhaps I read the abbreviation all  wrong.
your help appreciated.

Ansett.
Title: Re: Help with 1861 Census Re:Thomas Nock Visitor:
Post by: Willow 4873 on Thursday 29 May 14 10:31 BST (UK)
Son in law was sometimes used to mean a stepson of the head of the household ie Martha's illigitimate son

Willow x
Title: Re: Help with 1861 Census Re:Thomas Nock Visitor:
Post by: ansett on Thursday 29 May 14 10:38 BST (UK)
Thank you so much.....That makes sense.
So quick as usual with your prompt reply.Thank you

When I was checking Thomas Nock, nothing made sense:unable to match him up with anyone.

Back to the drawing board.

Ansett.
Title: Re: Help with 1861 Census Re:Thomas Nock Visitor:
Post by: Willow 4873 on Thursday 29 May 14 10:49 BST (UK)
No problem

off FreeREG 15.2.1848 St Peters Wolverhampton Thomas son of Martha Nock of Smithfield

If you look at the 1851 census Thomas is living with Martha and her parents

Castle Yard, Dudley Street, Wolverhampton

Richard Nock 76 head b Bridgnorth Shropshire Tailor Journeyman
Maria Nock 52 wife b South Wales
Martha Nock 20 dau b Birmingham assistant tailoress
Thomas Nock 3 so b Wolverhampton (should be grandson)

HO107/2019/6/5

(Castle Yard still exists)


Willow x
Title: Re: Help with 1861 Census Re:Thomas Nock Visitor:
Post by: KGarrad on Thursday 29 May 14 10:50 BST (UK)
The original census from clearly shows Son in Law! No abbreviation ;D

Just shows why you should always try to look at original documents, rather than transcriptions?! ;D
Title: Re: Help with 1861 Census Re:Thomas Nock Visitor:
Post by: Willow 4873 on Thursday 29 May 14 10:52 BST (UK)
especially on a certain site the amount of corrects I keep submitting I should be getting paid!

Willow x
Title: Re: Help with 1861 Census Re:Thomas Nock Visitor:
Post by: ansett on Friday 30 May 14 09:29 BST (UK)
Hello Willow,

Your help has been invaluable, it all makes sense , you have found ancestors I have been looking for for such a long time.e.g. The Robinsons:Nock connection.

You are correct KGarrad, re looking at the original census,not the transcript I too have found many errors.
This query is one of the last and my subscription regarding access to the  census had run out.luckily I found the 1861 census via FreeCEN;  Interesting Castle Yard exists Happy to hear something does ....will check that out soon.........happy, happy.

Early evening here in Australia: Thank You

Ansett  :-*
Title: Re: Help with 1861 Census Re:Thomas Nock Visitor:
Post by: Willow 4873 on Friday 30 May 14 09:39 BST (UK)
No problem

Castle Yard runs off Dudley Street unfortunately its just a passage between buildings these days the one end of it was demolished on Market Street and new buildings put there in around the 1920's but its nice to know the name still exists

If you look up Dudley Street on Google maps it runs between there and Market Street

Often wondered about the Castle it refers to though as there is also a Castle Street opposite - maybe it was a pub

Willow x
Title: Re: Help with 1861 Census Re:Thomas Nock Visitor:
Post by: ansett on Saturday 31 May 14 10:02 BST (UK)
Hi Willow,

Stretching the friendship a little would Walkers Yard have been close to Castle Yard?
Walkers Yard has been mentioned a couple of times in my research re the Census, long gone like so much in Dear Wolverhampton:

Nice to get the image of where people lived.

Thanks once more:
Ansett in Oz:
Title: Re: Help with 1861 Census Re:Thomas Nock Visitor:
Post by: Jool on Monday 02 June 14 00:15 BST (UK)
Hi Ansett, Castle Yard and Walkers Yard would only have been about 400 metres apart.  Have a look at this link which shows Castle Yard as it looks today. 

Willow, you are correct, Castle Yard refers to the Castle Inn according to this link.  ;D

http://www.wolverhamptonfolds.co.uk/castleyard.html

Jool
Title: Re: Help with 1861 Census Re:Thomas Nock Visitor:
Post by: ansett on Monday 02 June 14 09:19 BST (UK)
Thank you Jool,

Thank you for information re Castle Yard and Walkers Yard.
A very interesting link.

I was born in Wolverhampton and returned on several occasions,I have a feeling I would have walked many times in this area.
So nice to get an image of Castle Yard will print this off and place the image in my tree
Best wishes Ansett :D
Title: Re: Help with 1861 Census Re:Thomas Nock Visitor:
Post by: Willow 4873 on Monday 02 June 14 09:48 BST (UK)
Well done Jools thats a really interesting site

Willow x
Title: Re: Help with 1861 Census Re:Thomas Nock Visitor:
Post by: ansett on Tuesday 03 June 14 09:14 BST (UK)
Willow,

Thanks for the reminder re copyright.....

Ansett.