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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: jennywren001 on Monday 19 May 14 14:24 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Wonder if anyone can make out the middle name of Mr Davie witness in this marriage.
Thanks
Jen
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I'd have said McLaren, McLazen ????
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The nearest that I can make of it is McLaren. Where did the marriage take place?
Gadget
PS - if it was in Perthshire, could this be him:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KM6G-V5C -born Forfarshire
PPS - I see it was in Glasgow
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Thanks for such quick responses! Gadget I am so clutching at straws here but this is such an important family link (or not!). I'm trying to connect Robert Fearn and Ann Robb to a place, person - anything. Ann has a wee boy in 1844 baptised Alexander Robb but always known as Alexander Fearn. Robert Fearn (shoemaker) listed as his alleged father on marriage/death certs. Ann born Glenisla, Robert Lintrathen so adjoining parishes - in 1841 she's a servant lass working in the Davie household...in Airlie - parish adjoining Lintrathen. I had hoped maybe this Davie was from Airlie...see I told you clutching at straws.
This marriage (2nd for Robert) takes place in Glasgow in 1876 Robert lists his age as 49.
Thanks
Jen
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James M. L-g-n Davie?
James W. P-g-n Davie?
James Mc –glen Davie?
???
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I can't believe I've got a connection! Gadget if I could send you a hug I would! James McLaren Davie was only born (according to the 1881 census) at Brae of Airlie! Ann Rob was a servant at West Brae of Airlie on the 41 census. OK, James was not yet born in 41 but it means Robert Fearn and Ann Robb have connections with the Davie's of Airlie. Mr Davie your life is about to be examined in detail. ;D
Huge thanks everyone
Jen
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I can't believe I've got a connection! Gadget if I could send you a hug I would!
I like hugs :D
Gadget :-*
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A big thank you to everyone who helped me with this...I thought maybe you'd be interested to know how James 'something' Davie fits into my story...it's taken a while to get to this point and I'm still very curious as to how Robert ends up a spirt merchant but that's for another time....
Jen
Ann Robb was born in the parish of Glenisla in1821 to James Robb and Janet Clark. On the 1841 census Ann is working for David and Catherine Davie, as a farm servant, at West Brae in the parish of Airlie.
In 1844 Ann gave birth at 'Shandrew' in Glenisla (her parent's house as of the 1841 census) to a wee boy called Alexander. Alexander was, as far as I can tell, always known as Alexander Fearn. Robert Fearn 'shoemaker' is listed as the 'reputed' father on Alexander's marriage and death certificates. His baptism record does not list a father.
On the 1851 census Alexander is showing, age 7, living at 'Shank' in Glenisla. He is living with (whom I take to be) his grandmother's brother - Charles Clark age 75. At this time his mother Ann is working as a farm servant at the McNicoll farm at 'Easter Cammock', Glenisla.
In 1854 Ann Robb marries the widower James Ogilvie in Oathlaw. Ann dies in 1881 at Newhills, Aberdeenshire.
In 1861, at the age 16, Alexander is working as an agricultural labourer in Kingoldrum. In 1868, at age 23 he marries Euphemia Stirling in Kirriemuir. They have a son born in 1873 called James Ogilvie Fearn he is father to Ann Wilson Fearn. (my grandmother)
So James Ogilvie Fearn gets his name from Alexander's stepfather James Ogilvie and his 'reputed' father Robert Fearn.
Thought it would be useful to find a connection between Robert Fearn and Ann Robb.
Robert Fearn was born about 1825 in Lintrathern to Ann Gall and James Fearn both Robert and James are listed as shoemakers on the 1841 census.
In 1848 Robert marries Helen Taylor in Kirriemuir. On the 1851 census they are living in Kirriemuir along with their daughter Ann Gall Fearn age 2. By the 1861 census the family have moved and are living at 86 Sauchiehall Street, Glasgow. Robert is still listed as a shoemaker and the family has grown and includes Ann now age 12, Betty (Elizabeth) age 8 and David age 6.
Helen Talyor dies sometime before the census of 1871. On the 1871 census Robert (transcribed Feron) Fearn is living in the Milton district of Glasgow still showing as a shoemaker. He is now age 46 and listed as a boarder. As far as I can see the two daughters are living together, also in the Milton district, working as machinists (birth places transcribed as 'Kerruminer, Forfarshire). The son David may be back in Kirriemuir training to become a carpenter.
In 1876 Robert marries Joanna Falconer - a second marriage for both of them. On the marriage certificate Robert is still showing as a shoemaker and both he and Joanna are living at 20 Sauchiehall Street, Glasgow.
On the 1881 census Robert and Joanna are living at 127 Chapel Street, Airdrie, Lanarkshire where he now describes himself as a Sprirt Merchant. Robert outlives Joanna and dies January 1891 still living at 127 Chapel Street, Airdrie. His death certificate lists both this wives and his parents and is signed by his younger brother William.
Still no connection between Robb and Fearn accept that Glenisla and Lintrathen parishes are adjoining. The only possible linkage was a witness to the 2nd marriage which took place in Glasgow. A James Mc Laren Davie signs as witness to the marriage.
There's a James McLaren Davie showing on the 81 census living at Chapel Street, Alyth in Perthshire. Birth place listed as Brae of Airlie, Forfarshire, occupation 'writer' (solicitor in Scotland) born about 1852.
Turns out James McLaren Davie was born August 1851 to David and Catherine Davie at West Brae in Airlie, the very place Ann Robb was working in 1841. Catherine Davie (nee Salter) was born in Alyth, Perthshire. James is on the 1861 census at West Brae, Airlie with his parents. I can't find him in 71 but by 1881 he is living in Alyth with his wife Marion (possibly nee Robertson). By 1891 he is without his wife, still showing as a writer and boarding at Blythswood, Glasgow. This is either a connection or the most unlikey coincident!
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Hello Jen
Just read your posting below and would be interested to know if you have further info on Ann Robb's ancestors.
It would appear that her father James, while married to Janet Clark, had a liaison with an Ann Hall in 1824 that yielded a son, Thomas Robb. (Ann Hall later married a John Porter).
Thomas married Susan Howe and had 3 children before she died. He remarried to Christian Lunnan and they had 5 children, the first of whom, Jessie, later immigrated to Australia. She was my Great Grandmother.
I am trying to go back past James and have some information which has not yet been proven so just thought I'd check to see if you had followed that line back further.
Cheers from Downunder
Dave
A big thank you to everyone who helped me with this...I thought maybe you'd be interested to know how James 'something' Davie fits into my story...it's taken a while to get to this point and I'm still very curious as to how Robert ends up a spirt merchant but that's for another time....
Jen
Ann Robb was born in the parish of Glenisla in1821 to James Robb and Janet Clark. On the 1841 census Ann is working for David and Catherine Davie, as a farm servant, at West Brae in the parish of Airlie.
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Hi Dave,
He must have been a busy man that year as Janet also had a son James christened July 1824. Looking at the number of James Robbs/Rabs/Robies up Glenisla n the 1841 census there's not too many candidates for wee Thomas! That must have made the Kirk sessions but difficult for you to view if you're living down under.
I think Janet Clark's parents MAY be James Clark and a Jean McNicol married 1771 Glenisla. This is from the death certificate of Charles Clark (died 1864 still living at Shank). I thought this was a mistake as Charles himself was married to an Ann McNicol but there is a marriage showing for this couple. Also, I'm basing this on Charles being Janet's brother as Alexander was staying with him at Shank in 1851. Of course they won't be related to your little Thomas.
I've got nothing to go on really for James Robb's folks. There is a birth in Glenisla in 1781 of a James Rob with father listed as James Rob - no mother showing. But pure speculation if it's him or not. The OPR records I have from Glenilsa have the absolute minimum information so I'm not inclined to get a copy of James Robb's birth.
Jen
PS Robert Fearn left a will - drawn up by - James McLaren Davie
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Many thanks, Jen.
FYI, here is what I have penciled in for James Robb's forebears. Not proven yet, of course.
His parents James Rob or Robb and Elizabeth Grant
His grandparents Thomas Rob or Robb and wife unknown.
Cheers
Dave
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Hi Dave,
Just wondering if you think the three generations are from Glenisla? I'll make a note of Elizabeth Grant - you never know what will turn up. I take it she's not down on James' birth record.
Thanks
Jen
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Yes. Jen, I do think they were all from the Glenisla area. The mother is not mentioned on James Jnr's birth record but the marriage of a James and Elizabeth Grant, which fits timewise, is recorded.
Cheers
Dave
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I have a page of Airlie marriages from 1790 to 1792.
There are three Davie marriages on the page.
Betty Davie to John Frenley (?) on 4 Jan 1792.
Jannet Davie to James Hay on 28 Feb 1792. This is also recorded in Ruthven parish records.
Thomas Davie to Jat (Janet?) Moncurr on 6 Sept 1792.