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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (North Riding) => Topic started by: Jaime2013 on Thursday 15 May 14 17:58 BST (UK)
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I am trying to research in my Nanna's family. I have her father down as James Richard W Betteridge born in Grangetown, Middlesbrough 1908 he married Marie M Grimm in Cleveland 1938. I have found no siblings to my Nanna (my nanna is alive but we do not talk).
I am looking for any information on James parents and siblings. Any information will be grateful x
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If he was born in 1908 you would need to look for him on the 1911 census to get any additional info.
Rootschat does not allow us to publish 1911 info due to copyright issues
http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx
You may find the following instructions useful
USING THE FREE 1911 INDEX TO DETERMINE THE CORRECT HOUSEHOLD
http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx
Once you find a possible match - make a note of the county and district in which the person was living
Return to the index and in PERSONAL DETAILS - just put the surname of the family - nothing else
In LOCATION - Select the county and below it - type in the district
In OTHER MEMBERS OF THE HOUSEHOLD - show the full name of the person you have found on the index
Click SEARCH
The 1911 census is strictly pay per view so you will have to buy credits to view the full entry - the above instructions will only help to possibly show others of the same surname in the same household
You can check birthplaces for free using GRU
http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk/search.page/index/census_1911
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thank you
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i did not find any information all i found out when he was born thats it and i knew that
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There is a tree on Ancestry that names his parents as
Arthur W Betteridge 1875 – 1956 and Annie Wilson
if you do not have access to Ancestry then you should be able to see the tree on www.mundia.com (free to register)
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Hi checking births of Betteridge children on Freebmd 1912/1921 Middlesborough their are 2 with last middle name with letter "W" mmn Silman
Possible marriage Arthur Wilson Betteridge to Annie Silman Dec qtr 1902 Darlington 10a 60
Keyboard86
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i did not find any information all i found out when he was born thats it and i knew that
if you follow the instructions Carole gave you, then you will find the names of the other people called Betteridge in the same household as James Richard (I just tested it and it worked).
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This looks like the parents marriage do Arthur (or Annie) may have been married previously
Marriages Dec 1902
Betteridge Arthur Wilson Darlington 10a 60
Silman Annie Darlington 10a 60
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The entry is on the 1911 link I gave you and if you follow the instructions I also gave you - it will give you all family members names and ages
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i only found james and thats it
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From reply #6
if you follow the instructions Carole gave you, then you will find the names of the other people called Betteridge in the same household as James Richard (I just tested it and it worked).
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i did follow it this is what im saying
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Are you sure you are following the right entry? All 3 christian names are shown on the 1911 index and if you are following the instructions correctly - there are 6 other names on that entry.
Sorry - but it works for everybody else so you must be doing something wrong
We cannot help you further than that as we would be breaking copyright restrictions so if you still have problems you can either view the entry by buying credits or check if your nearest library has Ancestry/FindMyPast access and view it there
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yes i have the right name.
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Per my reply above - you will either have to buy credits and view the entry or check if your nearest library has Ancestry/FindMyPast access and view it there
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:) Hi it works for me as well, this is an interesting 1901 given marriage possible in 1902?
Annie E Wilson 25 Head Married b Lazenby
Arthur 6 b Grangetown
Emma 4 months b Grangetown
Richard Silman 57 Father occ Horse Driver/Groom b Blackburton? Oxfordshire
Minnie Silman 15 Sister b Grangetown
Residing at Laing Street, Grangetown
Census ref RG13/4584/133/9
Keyboard86
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Hi to go with the 1901 above is this birth:-
Arthur Wilson Betteridge March qtr 1895 Middlesbro 9d 618
Keyboard86
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Hi to go with the 1901 above is this birth:-
Arthur Wilson Betteridge March qtr 1895 Middlesbro 9d 618
Keyboard86
this lad died a year old
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Hi to go with the 1901 above is this birth:-
Arthur Wilson Betteridge March qtr 1895 Middlesbro 9d 618
Keyboard86
this lad died a year old
??? Was that on Freebmd as cannot locate?
Keyboard86
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Was that on Freebmd as cannot locate?
Nor can I
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the arthur wilison betteridge in my family born 1875 died in 1956 married anna silman in 1902
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i got infor on family search
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Please post the link to the Family Search entry
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got it from im on about his son. but arthur was born in 1875
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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/7RZT-9T2
this is arthur
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You seem to be looking at a completely different Arthur than the one shown in the 1901 census aged 6yrs and who was born in 1895
However - he could not have married in 1902 anyway as he was only 7yrs old at that time
this lad died a year old
How did you come up with the info that he died aged 1yr which would mean he died in 1896/1897
There is no death for an Arthur Wilson Betteridge in 1896 or 1897
Have you viewed the 1911 entry yet?
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Theres a partial WW1 service record on ancestry for Arthur W Betteridge of Grangetown
Mum Annie Elizabeth living at Laing Street he served in Dorset Regiment
Ady
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i got it wrong. there was two james R W Betteridge the first one died a yr old and the other one is my relative.
yes i looked and none of the names looked right
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i have information on the ww1 people in grangetown who died 1914-1916
there is a few betteridge on there but no connection yet
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i got it wrong. there was two james R W Betteridge the first one died a yr old and the other one is my relative.
yes i looked and none of the names looked right
Hi when you say "you looked" are you saying at the results of the 1911?
Keyboard86
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The lad i mentioned Was killed in action in March 1918
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yes have looked on 1911.
private john betteridge serived in WW1 but was down as Wilson
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If your ancestor was definitely James RW Betteridge b 1908 - then he must be the one on the 1911
I have her father down as James Richard W Betteridge born in Grangetown, Middlesbrough 1908 he married Marie M Grimm in Cleveland 1938
There is such a marriage on freebmd and only one child was born to that marriage.
Marie Martha Betteridge (Grimm) was b 1898 and died 1976. As she was 40yrs old when she married James - that could be why they only had one child
I suspect Marie may possibly have been previously married as there is no birth reg for a Marie Martha Grimm
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Theres a partial WW1 service record on ancestry for Arthur W Betteridge of Grangetown
Mum Annie Elizabeth living at Laing Street he served in Dorset Regiment
Ady
i no which person u r on about but i have arthur down died in 1956
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This is the infor i have so far
Arthur Wilson Betteridge 1875-1956 married Anna Silman or Wilson in 1902 in Darlington
I have James Richard Wilson Betteridge born in 1908 and lives in Grangetown who marries Maria M Grimm in 1938
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that lad that died in 1918 was born in belguim
http://www.ancientfaces.com/person/a-w-betteridge/163652346
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World War 1 was from 1914 - 1918 so why does his death in 1956 rule service record entry out?? He was born 1875 so it is quite feasible he served in WW1
The free 1911 index has a Mary Grimm b 1898 but you need to view the actual image - not the transcription
I notice that your original post was just asking about possible siblings for your grandmother - which I have answered above (there were none). To avoid any further confusion - is that all you were looking for or are you also wanting to trace the Betteridge FH
We seem to be getting in quite a mess with info/replies so once you clarify your needs I will post a summary to avoid further confusion
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I am looking for anything to do with the betteridge family from grangetown.
here is something with WW1 and betteridge
http://www.ww1-yorkshires.org.uk/html-files/grangetown.htm
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the man said he died in 1918 but arthur in my family tree didnt die until 1956 so that cant be him
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:) Hi it works for me as well, this is an interesting 1901 given marriage possible in 1902?
Annie E Wilson 25 Head Married b Lazenby
Arthur 6 b Grangetown
Emma 4 months b Grangetown
Richard Silman 57 Father occ Horse Driver/Groom b Blackburton? Oxfordshire
Minnie Silman 15 Sister b Grangetown
Residing at Laing Street, Grangetown
Census ref RG13/4584/133/9
Keyboard86
:) OK you must have therefore the marriage certificate in 1902, does this seem to be the father of Annie Silman?
Sorry Carole, cutting to the quick as my grandma used to say!
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i dont have nothing bout silmans i dont have an cerfiticates
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Part summary - part comments
Your grandmother (still living) was the daughter of James RW Betteridge b 1908 who married Marie Martha Grimm b 1898 in 1938
James R W Betteridge was the son of Arthur Wilson Betteridge b 1875 who married Annie Silman in 1902 as per freebmd. You say her name was Wilson or Silman
The 1901 entry shows an Annie E WILSON with a sister Minnie Silman. Annie has a 6yr old son called Arthur Wilson and there is a birth in 1895 on freebmd for an Arthur WILSON Betteridge. However - he was too young to have married in 1902
Freebmd births are for England & Wales so there is absolutely no connection with that 1895 birth and the entry you quote above for somebody born in Belgium and only serves to confuse the issue
I suggest you post the full details from the 1911 entry for James R W (that is permitted as it is your family) and then work backwards from that info
I also suggest you buy a copy of James R W's 1908 birth cert to confirm his mothers maiden name - Silman or Wilson. It may also be a good idea to buy a copy of the 1902 marriage cert to establish Annie's marital status at the time she married Arthur Betteridge
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ive just found this
Name: Annie Elizabeth Silman
Event Type: Birth Registration
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year: 1875
Registration District: Guisborough
County: Yorkshire
Event Place: Guisborough, Yorkshire, England
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Part summary - part comments
Your grandmother (still living) was the daughter of James RW Betteridge b 1908 who married Marie Martha Grimm b 1898 in 1938
James R W Grimm was the son of Arthur Wilson Betteridge b 1875 who married Annie Silman in 1902 as per freebmd. You say her name was Wilson or Silman
The 1901 entry shows an Annie E WILSON with a sister Minnie Silman. Annie has a 6yr old son called Arthur Wilson and there is a birth in 1895 on freebmd for an Arthur WILSON Betteridge. However - he was too young to have married in 1902
Freebmd births are for England & Wales so there is absolutely no connection with that 1895 birth and the entry you quote above for somebody born in Belgium and only serves to confuse the issue
I suggest you post the full details from the 1911 entry for James R W (that is permitted as it is your family) and then work backwards from that info
I also suggest you buy a copy of James R W's 1908 birth cert to confirm his mothers maiden name - Silman or Wilson. It may also be a good idea to buy a copy of the 1902 marriage cert to establish Annie's marital status at the time she married Arthur Betteridge
u mean James R W betteridge
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I mean Betteridge and have amended it
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that lad that died in 1918 was born in belguim
http://www.ancientfaces.com/person/a-w-betteridge/163652346
Hi again the Arthur Wilson Betteridge who died in 1918 was born in the parish of Darlington aged 19 years and 8 months on 1/9/1914 his regiment no: 13404 3rd Battallion Dorsetshire Regiment, his mother was Annie Elizabeth Betteridge Residing at 1, Laing Street, Grangetown
Arthur Wilson Betteridge reg no: 13404 1st Battallion Dorsetshire Regiment rank Private formerly 20184 Cavalry Regiment b Darlington residence Grangetown Enlisted Richmond York, Killed in action 27th March 1918 France & Flanders
So suggest you do your own research, do not trust the results from other Betteridge researchers!
The only concern re Annie is the birth place of Lazenby on at least 2 returns as 1881 suggests Langley, Berkshire?
Census for father Richard Mother Emma 1881 RG11/1506/32/16 1891 RG12/4016/37/31
Keyboard86
PS Minnie Rosetta Silman marries a John William Barnes June qtr 1906 Middlesbro 9d 1005
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Hi again, do not know if possible to check this marriage out, but an online tree suggests the Annie Elizabeth Silman b Lazenby marries a Thomas Watson March qtr 1906 Sculcoates 9d 276 no evidence supplied?
Keyboard86
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:) OK try another route:-
1881 census
Richard Silman 38 occ Ag Lab b Blackbourton Oxfordshire
Emma 35 b Little Chesterton
Robert E 15 b Wood Eaton
ANNIE E 6 b Langley
Mary Jane 2 b South Bank
George H T 3 months b Wendlebury
Residing Wendlebury
Census ref RG11/1506/32/17
Marriage Richard and Emma?
OK now found marriage Emma Crutch to Richard Silman Dec qtr 1865 Bicester 3a 1097
Census 1871 for Emma/Robert and an Albert RG10/1443/44/2
Robert Silman aged 35 b Woodeaton is also in Grangetown in 1901 married to Sarah 34 b Southbank with children Rees 7 and George 5 b Beaufort, Breconshire and Emma 4 b Grangetown
Census ref RG13/4584/137/18
Anyone spot an Annie E Silman birth c 1875 Langley 0r Robert E marriage?
Richard SILLMAN aged 9 b Brain, Berks an orphan/pauper with sister Julia b Blackbourton in 1851 HO107/1731/323/10
Richard aged 16 b Blackbourton RG09/908/80/3
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that lad that died in 1918 was born in belguim
http://www.ancientfaces.com/person/a-w-betteridge/163652346
Hi again the Arthur Wilson Betteridge who died in 1918 was born in the parish of Darlington aged 19 years and 8 months on 1/9/1914 his regiment no: 13404 3rd Battallion Dorsetshire Regiment, his mother was Annie Elizabeth Betteridge Residing at 1, Laing Street, Grangetown
Arthur Wilson Betteridge reg no: 13404 1st Battallion Dorsetshire Regiment rank Private formerly 20184 Cavalry Regiment b Darlington residence Grangetown Enlisted Richmond York, Killed in action 27th March 1918 France & Flanders
So suggest you do your own research, do not trust the results from other Betteridge researchers!
The only concern re Annie is the birth place of Lazenby on at least 2 returns as 1881 suggests Langley, Berkshire?
Census for father Richard Mother Emma 1881 RG11/1506/32/16 1891 RG12/4016/37/31
Keyboard86
PS Minnie Rosetta Silman marries a John William Barnes June qtr 1906 Middlesbro 9d 1005
i dont think this arthur is any relation
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Hi again, I realise you have been asked this question before but wonder if you have viewed the household in the 1911 census for your Betteridge family, also as a matter of interest the Emma Wilson aged 1 on the 1901 I provided was registered as:-
Emma Wilson Betteridge Dec qtr 1900 Middlesbro' 9d 590
Also of interest if/when you view the original for the family is just how many years Arthur and Annie state they have been married as it should show 8 or 9 complete years?
Please come back with any more questions/queries you may still have though!
Keyboard86
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in 1911 arthur n annie were married for 17 years, emma is 11
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in 1911 arthur n annie were married for 17 years, emma is 11
So the marriage in 1902 suggests they possibly had children prior to it if they show 17 years? ie 1894
What address are they living at?
Keyboard86
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they lived at 4 laing street grangetown
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emma is 11 so they might have older kids
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emma is 11 so they might have older kids
So why not the Arthur Wilson Betteridge b c 1894 living in Laing Street in 1901, and whose mother was an Annie Elizabeth Betteridge living at 1 Laing Street when he elisted/ died in WW1?
Keyboard86
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ive found this out
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/2QH9-NWQ
and in 1945 arthur immagrated to USA on his own
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/2HQ7-76X
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in 1891 he is 16 living in south bank
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do not know if possible to check this marriage out, but an online tree suggests the Annie Elizabeth Silman b Lazenby marries a Thomas Watson March qtr 1906 Sculcoates 9d 276 no evidence supplied?
Haven't read the whole thread so don't know if this will help any
Yorkshire BMD has marriage entry
SILMAN Annie E
WATSON Thomas
1906 Sculcoates Register Offices or Registrar Attended
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do not know if possible to check this marriage out, but an online tree suggests the Annie Elizabeth Silman b Lazenby marries a Thomas Watson March qtr 1906 Sculcoates 9d 276 no evidence supplied?
Haven't read the whole thread so don't know if this will help any
Yorkshire BMD has marriage entry
SILMAN Annie E
WATSON Thomas
1906 Sculcoates Register Offices or Registrar Attended
not sure if this is the same one as arthur and annie have kids after 1906
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Sculcoates is in Hull qnd this famiy is in Teesside where I live.
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:) OK but do you or do you not agree that the Arthur Wilson aged 6 with a sister Emma aged 1 with mother Annie E Wilson in 1901 and died in WW1, was the one who was the son of Arthur b 1875 and Annie who married 1902?
Keyboard86
PS thank you for that Ladyhawk
OK see your reply Jaime2013 so where was Annie born in 1911 and 1901?
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in 1911 Arthur (junior) is not on here so i dont know. in 1911 says Annie Wilson Betteridge was born in 1875 in lazenby which isnt far from South Bank and Grangetown
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if i worked it out right they didnt marry in 1902 they married in 1894 as in 1911 they have been married 17 years
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in 1911 they had 7 kids and 1 died. they have 5 living with them. so there is 2 uncounted for.
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i found out that arthur betteridge born in 1895 middle name is william not wilson
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/2F3D-LLJ
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also this annie has no elizabeth in her name she is just Annie Wilson Betteridge
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and ive just worked out if there son died in 1918 he wudnt be marked as died in 1911. so another one of their kids died IF Arthur Wilson (1895) is related
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also this annie has no elizabeth in her name she is just Annie Wilson Betteridge
OK taking your thoughts to its logical end, the Emma with her in 1901 is therefore not the one on 1911. is that correct, and the Silman family living with them are no relation to the Annie Silman who married in 1902 or 1894?
Keyboard86
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emma was with her in 1901(age 1) and in 1911 (age 11).
i dont no anything to do with sillman family. ive just been working on the betteridge.
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i found out that arthur betteridge born in 1895 middle name is william not wilson
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/2F3D-LLJ
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 (from ancestry)
Arthur Wilson Betteridge
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1895
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Inferred County: Yorkshire North Riding
Volume: 9d Page: 618
have checked the type written entry and middle name it reads WILSON not William
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on a past post it says in 1901 annie is head of house aged 25 (so where is arthur-dad). there is a minnie silman 15 which is her sister so it does look like she is nee silman.
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its puzzling me where the wilson come from. was she married before?
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its puzzling me where the wilson come from. was she married before?
:) You are claiming the Emma as yours in both 1901 and 1911 her surname was Wilson in 1901 not the Betteridge as in 1911, just who then was the Arthur Wilson aged 6 with same family in 1901 you are not therefore claiming even though he is shown as a son?
Keyboard86
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its puzzling me where the wilson come from. was she married before?
:) You are claiming the Emma as yours in both 1901 and 1911 her surname was Wilson in 1901 not the Betteridge as in 1911, just who then was the Arthur Wilson aged 6 with same family in 1901 you are not therefore claiming even though he is shown as a son?
Keyboard86
all kids have wilson even annie and arthur (father)
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so annie silman was married to a wilson then married to arthur betteridge in 1902 with already 2 kids?
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its puzzling me where the wilson come from. was she married before?
:) You are claiming the Emma as yours in both 1901 and 1911 her surname was Wilson in 1901 not the Betteridge as in 1911, just who then was the Arthur Wilson aged 6 with same family in 1901 you are not therefore claiming even though he is shown as a son?
Keyboard86
all kids have wilson even annie and arthur (father)
Where in 1901 is Arthur (Father)
Keyboard86
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i dont know where he is in 1901 he is defo not in the house with annie and her 2 kids
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so annie silman was married to a wilson then married to arthur betteridge in 1902 with already 2 kids?
the 1902 marriage has her as
Annie Silman to Arthur Wilson Betteridge
you may need to obtain the 1902 marriage certificate to confirm or
perhaps the birth certificate of one of the earlier children to see what maiden name is given for Annie & whose named as the father
Emma Wilson Betteridge
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1900 Middlesbrough Volume: 9d Page: 590
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i dont know where he is in 1901 he is defo not in the house with annie and her 2 kids
Maybe Arthur is serving in the Boer War 1901/1902 :-\
Do you have Annie on the 1891 census?
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i cnt find arthur in 1901 using the 1901 cenus website.
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in 1901 i found
Sarah A Silman 34 Yorkshire 1867 South Bank, Yorkshire
Cud that be one of annie sisters?
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i found her in 1901
Annie E Wilson 25 Yorkshire 1876 Lazenby, Yorkshire
she is down as wilson
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this is arthur in 1911
Arthur Wilson Betteridge 37 Black Smith Stritker Yorkshire 1874 South Bank, Yorkshire
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its puzzling me where the wilson come from. was she married before?
:) You are claiming the Emma as yours in both 1901 and 1911 her surname was Wilson in 1901 not the Betteridge as in 1911, just who then was the Arthur Wilson aged 6 with same family in 1901 you are not therefore claiming even though he is shown as a son?
Keyboard86
all kids have wilson even annie and arthur (father)
I think the "Wilson" is from the maiden name of Authur's mother.
Marriage 1872 - Stockton
Richard Betteridge
Hannah Mary Wilson
It could be that in the 1901 census the enumerator recorded Annie (Silman) down as Wilson instead of Betteridge (even though they married later in 1902).
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its puzzling me where the wilson come from. was she married before?
:) You are claiming the Emma as yours in both 1901 and 1911 her surname was Wilson in 1901 not the Betteridge as in 1911, just who then was the Arthur Wilson aged 6 with same family in 1901 you are not therefore claiming even though he is shown as a son?
Keyboard86
all kids have wilson even annie and arthur (father)
I think the "Wilson" is from the maiden name of Authur's mother.
Marriage 1872 - Stockton
Richard Betteridge
Hannah Mary Wilson
It could be that in the 1901 census the enumerator recorded Annie (Silman) down as Wilson instead of Betteridge (even though they married later in 1902).
that does make more sense but in 1901 arthur is no where to be seen
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thats where james richard wilson got richard and wilson from
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http://www.ww1-yorkshires.org.uk/html-files/grangetown.htm
Private John Betteridge. 1270. 4th Battalion Yorkshire Regiment. Served as WILSON. Son of Richard and Anna Mary Betteridge (could be Hannah Mary) , of 4, Stapylton St., Grange Town, Yorks. Died 30 April 1915. Aged 22.
Commemorated Panel 33, Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial.
Born Eston (Yorks), Enlisted Normanby, Resided Grangetown.
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Tell me if this sound right
Richard Betteridge married Hannah Mary Wilson in 1872
Child as we know Arthur Wilson Betteridge 1875
Also I have found other of Arthur siblings (but none have Wilson)
James 1877
Catherine 1881
Annie 1883
Elizabeth 1885
Richard 1886/7 (on the website looks like he went to WW1)
Ruth 1889
John William 1893 died in 1915 at WW1
Edward 1894 (on the website looks like he went to WW1)
Tilly/ Lilly 1896
Ruth 1889
ALL BORN IN GRANGETOWN AND LOOK LIKE IN THE SAME HOUSE IN 1901
I did find a Thomas 1889 but born in Stockton.
On the website I shared before:
PTE BETTERIDGE E YORKS (Edward)
PTE BETTERIDGE J W YORKS (John William)- Private J Betteridge (Alias) served as Private J Wilson
PTE BETTERIDGE A W DORSET (Arthur Wilson)
PNR BETTERIDGE R E (Richard?)
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Hi again, still would like a yes/no the Arthur aged 6 in 1901 is yours or not, but this is a possible Arthur Betteridge serving in the Boer War ie 1899/1902:-
A Betteridge Soldier No: 4419 The Princess of Wales Own (Yorkshire Regiment) Unit 3
Casualties injured on 31st January 1902 at Nr Burgherdorp Unit 3 The Princess of Wales Own (Yorkshire Regiment.
Source South African Field Force J B Hayward & Sons
Notes Railway Accident
So the reason he is possibly not on the 1901 Census.
Keyboard86
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yes i think that lad died in 1918 is son of annie E n arthur wilson
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yes i think that lad died in 1918 is son of annie E n arthur wilson
Arthur Wilson or Arthur Wilson Betteridge?!
Keyboard86
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arthur wilson betteridge the father
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arthur wilson betteridge the father
;D
Will await with trepidation your request for info on the Silman family!
Keyboard86
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lol all i know is that her dad is richard from oxfordshire
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lol all i know is that her dad is richard from oxfordshire
As I stated much earlier why does the Annie E with this Richard show a different pob than Lazenby when with family?
Will await your new thread!
Keyboard86
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=687482.new#new
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=687482.new#new
Oh no here we go again!!!
Keyboard86
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Silman thread here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=687482.new#new
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its my post
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I'm well aware it's your post - the link was posted here for the same reason as I have put on your new thread
This post runs to 11 pages so an awful lot of replies/info etc
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this is arthur in 1911
1911 c Arthur Wilson Betteridge 37 (1874) South Bank Black Smith Striker
and here is Arthur on the other censues apart from 1901
1881 c has the family transcribed as BELLRIGE
RG11; Piece: 4858; Folio: 129; Page: 36
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3NH-9QL
Richard 29, Hana Mary 27, ARTHUR 6 (1875) South Bank, James 4, Samuel 1
Arthur Wilson Beteridge Mar 1875 Guisborough Volume: 9D Page: 490
1891c RG12; Piece: 4016; Folio: 36; Page: 29
120 Laing Street
Richard W Betteridge 43 Staffordshire occ Blacksmith Striker
Annie M 37 Middsbro’
AUTHER W 16 (1875) South Bank York labourer in steel works
James 14
Samuel 11
Catherine 9
Annie 8
Elizabeth 6
Richard 4 Grangetown
Ruth 2
1901 RG13; Piece: 4584; Folio: 146; Page: 35
35 Holden St
Richard Betteridge 53 Staffordshire occ Blacksmith’s striker
Hannah 47 M'bro’
Richard 14 Grangetown
Ruth 12
John 8
Edward 6
Lilly 5
Christening Eston York
Edward Betteridge 31 Jul 1894 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J7JQ-FJM
Is this the death entry for Arthur & Annie Wilson Betteridge's son
James Richard W Betteridge?
James Richard W Betteridge died age 66 Birth Date: 27 Oct 1908
1974 Cleveland Vol 3 Page: 2573
Not sure if you have seen this
James Betteridge age 46 Birth Date: 27 Oct 1908
Address in UK 11 Stephens Rd Southbank Yks
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Arrival Date: 9 Sep 1955 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
Ship Name: Saxonia
and there's these death entries also in Cleveland
Arthur W Betteridge age 83 (1873) Mar 1956 Cleveland Volume: 1b Page: 757
Annie E Betteridge age 92 (1875) Sep 1967 Cleveland Volume: 1b Page 542
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For info.
this looks to be Hannah Mary WILSON with her mother & stepfather
1861 RG 9; Piece: 3688; Folio: 76; Page: 5
26 Dundas Street Middlesbro’
William TIMMINS 34
Ann 37
(1851 census Ann is married to Gibson Wilson HO107; Piece: 2412; Folio: 448; Page: 32)
Jane WILSON stepdau 15
Gibson ‘’ 13
Anne ‘’ 9
Hannah M step dau. 6 (1854) Middlesbro’
Jonathan Timmins 4
You would need to obtain m/c of Richard Betteridge Mar 1872 Stockton Vol 10a page 72
to confirm if Hannah Mary Wilson’s father’s name was Gibson
Marriage entry Dec 1843 Easington Gibson Wilson name on same page Ann Neasham
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1881 census
Richard Silman 38 occ Ag Lab b Blackbourton Oxfordshire
Emma 35 b Little Chesterton
Robert E 15 b Wood Eaton
ANNIE E 6 b Langley
Mary Jane 2 b South Bank
George H T 3 months b Wendlebury
Residing Wendlebury
Census ref RG11/1506/32/17
OK now found marriage Emma Crutch to Richard Silman Dec qtr 1865 Bicester 3a 1097
Hello! I'm a bit late to this party, but this Emma (Crutch) Silman is my 3rd-great-aunt. Her sister, Elizabeth Crutch, is my 3rd-great-grandmother.
I have some information on the Silmans and some of their descendants, but my tree mostly follows my Crutch-Freeman line. My Elizabeth Crutch married George Freeman, they had 9 children, and immigrated from Finmere, Oxfordshire to Scranton, Pennsylvania (or, more precisely, the suburb called Throop). I have information and photos of a large number of their descendants, and a photo that is likely Elizabeth (Crutch) Freeman herself.
Emma and Elizabeth's parents were probably Thomas Crutch and Sarah French. However, an Ancestry.com "hint" for Elizabeth says her father is William Crutch. I have to look into this further, but I don't have an Ancestry membership currently in order to view the record and consider the information.
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat, is this your Elizabeth in 1851?
Thomas Crutch 41 occ Ag Lab
Sarah 32 b Stoke Lyne
Elizabeth 7
Emma 5
Edwin 3
Mary 66 Mother/Widow b Middleton on Stoney
All others born Chesterton
Residing at Chesterton Hamlet, Bicester
Census ref HO107/1729/45/22
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat, is this your Elizabeth in 1851?
Thomas Crutch 41 occ Ag Lab
Sarah 32 b Stoke Lyne
Elizabeth 7
Emma 5
Edwin 3
Mary 66 Mother/Widow b Middleton on Stoney
All others born Chesterton
Residing at Chesterton Hamlet, Bicester
Census ref HO107/1729/45/22
Hello & welcome from me too :)
1861 Piece: 898 Folio: 51 Page Number: 16
Mary CRUTCH Head wid78
Thomas son 50 Ag Lab
Sarah 43 Stokline
Emma 15
William 9
Mary 6
Albert 1
All others born Chesterton
Elizabeth CrutchBaptism Date: 15 Aug 1843
Baptism Place: Chesterton,Oxford,England
Father: Thomas Crutch Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 95228
Emma CrutchBaptism Date: 21 Sep 1845
Baptism Place: Chesterton,Oxford,England
Father: Thomas Crutch Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 95228
Edwin Crutch Baptism Date: 26 Mar 1848
Baptism Place: Chesterton,Oxford,England
Death Date: 23 Feb 1852
Father: Thomas Crutch Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 95228
Charlotte Crutch Baptism Date: 25 Aug 1850
Baptism Place: Chesterton,Oxford,England
Death Date: 24 Sep 1850
Father: Thomas Crutch Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 95228
William Crutch Baptism Date: 14 Dec 1851
Baptism Place: Chesterton,Oxford,England
Father: Thomas Crutch Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 95228
Mary Jane Crutch Baptism Date: 13 Aug 1854
Baptism Place: Chesterton,Oxford,England
Father: Thomas Crutch Mother: Sarah
FHL Film Number: 95228
1871c https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD8X-CVR
dau Emma Se(i)lman visiting her parents Thomas & Sarah Crutch
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sadly i did this wrong betteridge and i had to start again
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I am trying to research in my Nanna's family.
I have her father down as James Richard W Betteridge born in Grangetown, Middlesbrough 1908
he married Marie M Grimm in Cleveland 1938.
I have found no siblings to my Nanna (my nanna is alive but we do not talk).
I am looking for any information on James parents and siblings.
Any information will be grateful x
sadly i did this wrong betteridge and i had to start again
If you do require any help now you have had to start again please just ask :)
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I am trying to research in my Nanna's family.
I have her father down as James Richard W Betteridge born in Grangetown, Middlesbrough 1908
he married Marie M Grimm in Cleveland 1938.
I have found no siblings to my Nanna (my nanna is alive but we do not talk).
I am looking for any information on James parents and siblings.
Any information will be grateful x
sadly i did this wrong betteridge and i had to start again
If you do require any help now you have had to start again please just ask :)
I have managed quiet well thank you. there was two ann betteridge in the same area. 1 was my nanna and the other wasnt. i found out the one i thought was my nanna wasnt lol but managed from there