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Hello -
I am researching the MILLINER family. I am stuck on Isaac MILLINER. He had a son William(born about 1825 died August 30, 1892) who married Emma HAWKINS on June 22, 1851. If you have ANY information on this line please contact me. William and Emma had a son Alfred....I am off of that line - but would love to have the other childrens trees also.
Thanks for your time,
Amy Flick
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Hi Amy
I am descended from an Issac Milliner born in 1802. He had a son William, but this was in 1841, so I don't suppose its the same one?! It is possible that there is some connection however. Which part of Gloucestershire are you looking at? Do you have any other names I could possibly link up?
The 1861 census information posted above is my family. The Albert Milliner born 1844 is my great, great grandfather.
Looking forward to discovering if there is a connection
Nicola
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William David Milliner, Sr. born 3-4-1900 in Nanticoke, Pennsylvania. ***My Gdad
William’s Parents were Mary Elizabeth Watkins born 4-2-1878. Born in Nanticoke, Pennsylvania and Alfred Hawkins Milliner born 1-30-1872 in Gloucester, England. He went to America on the Teutonic and arrived on July 22, 1893. His mother Emma came with him. Alfred’s parents were William and Emma. They were married on June 22, 1851 at St. Paul’s Church. West Dean Gloucester England. William’s father was Isaac Milliner and Emma’s father was William Hawkins. They had 8 children.
1. William Milliner 4-28-1852
2. George Milliner 11-10-1854
3. Emma Milliner 1856
4. James Milliner 8-5-1859
5. Sarah Ann Milliner 2-11-1862 died 12-25-1946
6. Annie (Fanny) Milliner 1862
7. Selina Milliner 1864
8. Alfred Hawkins Milliner born 1-30-1873. Alfred and Mary Elizabeth Watkins were married on 1-21-1896. They had 9 children.
1. Belva Jane Milliner born 11-11-1896 died 12-1973. Married Jim Creglow. They had 2 children.
1. Betty
2. Jim (ADOPTED)
2. William David Milliner (see above)
3. Henry Watkins Milliner born 10-19-1903 died 3-1959. Married Sara
4. James Watkins Milliner born 9-21-1905 died 5-1969. 1 Child
1. Jimmy Milliner
5. Sarah Milliner born 9-5-1908. Married Arden Birth
6. Alfred John Milliner Camp born 8-25-1912 died 5-21-2003
7. Sophia Mae Milliner born 1-2-1915 died 4-13-1990. Married George Ruck. They had 4 children.
1. Sara Ruck
2. Nancy Ruck
3. Harry Ruck
4. Harold Ruck
8. Martha Milliner born 4-18-1918 died 11-8-1997. Married Arden Birth (when her sister died), when Arden died she married his brother Bob Birth. 3 Children
1. Harry Birth
2. Arden Birth
3. Anita Birth
9. Murland George Milliner born 6-1-1922 died 4-7-2001 married Dorris
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sorry I was having trouble replying.....
I appreciate your help. I hope you understand my previous post! It was a cut & paste!
Sincerely,
Amy
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Hi Amy
I think that your Alfred's father - William may have been a brother of Albert Milliner (my g.g.grandfather). If you would like to know more information about this side of the family - I am happy to let you know.
Nicola
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I would love to know more. I do have Williams death certificate. It says he died in 1892 and was 67 years old though? That would put him as being born in 1825 or so right? I am very interested in your reply. Can I post my e-mail address here for you to contact me? or visa versa?
Thanks for all of your time & help!!
Can't wait to hear from you!!!
Amy Flick
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Hi Amy
I will send you the information later on today - when my baby is sleeping!
Nicola
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Hi
I too have an Isaac Milliner in the family, but I suspect a different branch.
Isaac Milliner born Cold Ashton, Glos 1800, died Cold Ashton 1853.
Son William born Cold Ashton 1822 and married Mary Fishlock of Marshfield.
Other children were Elizabeth, Robert, Reuben and Emma.
Any links to the North Glos cousins.
Cheers Dave
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hi Dave
Apologies for not replying earlier, but I have been on holidays. I don't know of any link, but if I think of something I will post again.
Nicola
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I CAN TRACE MY FAMILY BACK TO JAMES ISSAC MILLINER BORN 1859 TO WILLIAM AND EMMA MILLINER(HAWKINS) ON THE5TH AUGUST 1859 .I HAVE A COPY OF HIS BIRTH CERT. I DONT KNOW IF THIS IS ANY HELP .DAVE MILLINER BATH SOMERSET
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I CAN TRACE MY FAMILY BACK TO JAMES ISSAC MILLINER BORN 1859 TO WILLIAM AND EMMA MILLINER(HAWKINS) ON THE5TH AUGUST 1859 .I HAVE A COPY OF HIS BIRTH CERT. I DONT KNOW IF THIS IS ANY HELP .DAVE MILLINER BATH SOMERSET
I would love to have a copy of that birth certificate!!! That would be of help! I appreciate it.
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Hi Dave
Not sure where or even if your Milliner family tree fits into mine. Can you tell me when William was born, or even better who is parents were. I have several William Milliners and a few James' but not sure if any are the same as yours!
Regards,
Nicola
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my william was born11/03/1810 and believe his parents were issac and mary milliner who married at leigh delamere wilts in 24/11/1764 will be visiting leigh delamere with my dad this weekend to look around cemetry as i have reports of a grave stone with mary name on it (hope for the best this will give more leeds)
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i can e mail copy of birth cert if you like not sure if thats the best way to dot his? tried attach but file is to big my
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I too have a William Milliner born 11/3/1810. Died 1897.
Parents JACOB Milliner born 1775 and Mary Tyler born 26 May 1776. Married 13/10/1801
Grandparents ISSAC Miliner born 1739 and Mary Brazer born about 1743 married 24/11/1764.
Names all match but you seem to be a generation out. Would love to see the birth certificate and will email you next.
It would seem highly unlikely that someone married in 1764 would have a child in 1810 - 46 years later?
I am descended from William's (1810 one!) eldest brother Issac born 1802. What's your connection? I really do wish they hadn't kept using the same names over and over again!! It really doesn't help!
I would love to hear how you get on at the weekend and look forward to seeing a copy of the birth certifcate if possible.
Kind regards,
Nicola
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Does your line track back to sarah bond via William Milliner b1817 d 1892 30 aug
My Milliners were from the forest of dean Cinderford area Miners etc
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i can e mail copy of birth cert if you like not sure if thats the best way to dot his? tried attach but file is to big my
Hi Dave
You can attach a small portion of a certificate for deciphering - it needs to be small to suit Rootschat - but you can't do it on a look-up board. It might be simpler to PM for an email address and then email it?
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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I don't think its the same Milliners. Will check my records over the next day or two when I have more time, but the name or area don't sound likley. mine are mainly from the Amberley area.
Nicola
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Hi Nicola, sorry about the delay in replying but I'm between addresses at the moment. The simplest thing would be for you to click on the www link below the photo (symbol of the world - don't know 'proper' name for it) and look at the Milliners in the web site Welsh connection. Hope it's of some use.
Dave
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Hi Nicola,
Thanks for your useful info. re the Milliners.
My wife, Joan's g.g.g.grandparents were Isaac & Mary Milliner.
Her g.g.grandparents were Jacob & Mary Milliner
We can go no further back than that.
We live in California, but we spend a couple of months in Swansea every year.
I did notice that a Brian Milliner (who has also provided a lot of Milliner info.) lives in Swansea and we'll try to contact him this summer.
Thanks again
Martyn
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Hi Martyn, welcome to Rootschat. I have a connection to the Milliner family but I don't know if it's the same branch as yours. They are from Cold Ashton in south Gloucestershire and the earliest record I have is of an Isaac Milliner born about 1787 and was buried 13 Feb 1853. He married a Margaret Waits (or Witts) 20 April 1812 and they had 4 children, Robert, Elizabeth, William and Rose. All above in Cold Ashton.
William married Elizabeth Keynor and later Mary Fishlock and he had a total of 5 children, Reuben and Emma with Elizabeth and Phillis, Nun and Lot with Elizabeth. they were all born between 1846 and 1864 in Cold Ashton. they were big on biblical names.
Hope this rings a bell, cheers Dave
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Hello Martyn,
Trying to work out the connections! I descend from Issac Milliner and Mary Brazier, who had a son Jacob Milliner who married Mary Tyler. They had an Albert Issac (born 1843). His son William Robert (born 1879) who was my g. grandfather. William Robert moved to Swansea and had four children, one - Elsie (1915) was my grandmother. Another a son - Robert is Brian's father.
Therefore Brian is my mother's cousin or my second cousin. I was born in Swansea and my parents still live there. Would not be a problem to put you in touch with Brian!
You say that your wife descends from Jacob and Mary, which of their children does she descend from? As I say my link from them is through their son Albert (1843). If you don't mind me asking what is your link with Swansea?
Looking forward to hearing back from you.
Nicola
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Hi Davierj & Nicola,
Thnks for such quick replies.
Nicola:
My wife and I were born in the Rhondda, married in the Rhondda, but emigrated to California 50 years ago. My mother moved to Sketty and we kept her flat after she died so we stay there every summer.
Coincidentally, my wife encountered a Cyril Milliner (now deceased) in Swansea and he was her first cousin. They shared grandparents, Robert H. Milliner (b. Patchway, 1856) & Sarah E. Milliner. As a further coincidence, Cyril was the boss of our next door neighbour in Swansea.
Nicola & Davierj:
This is what we believe to be my wife's lineage:
Isaac (b. 1739, in Leigh Delamere, Wilts.) & Mary (Beazer?)
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Jacob (b. 1775, in Church Yatton,) & Mary (Tyler)
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Robert (b. 04/02/1816, in Almondsbury, Glos.) & Sarah (Iles)
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Robert Henry (b. 1856 in Almondsbury, Glos.) & Sarah Ellen (Thomas)
Said Robert Henry is my wife's grandfather.
After Robert H. died, in the early 1900s, Sarah moved to the Rhondda fach with five sons, all of whom ended up in the mines.
We're pretty certain of the lineage back to Jacob because of birthplaces and residences stated in census records from 1841 to 1911, and other oral family history. Robert (b. 1816) was still living with Jacob in 1851 when Jacob was 76 and Robert was 34. Robert married Sarah in 1852.
So, Nicola, Jacob is your 3g.grandfather, and is my wife's 2g.grandfather. That makes you and my wife 3rd cousins, once removed. Your mother is my wife's 3rd cousin.
As to Isaac (1739), we obtained that info. from a forum post by Brian Milliner.
Davierj:
Interestingly, your ancestor, Robert Milliner, moved to Pentre and worked as a miner, just like my wife's dad & uncles in Rhondda Fach. My wife's dad died more than 60 years ago but my wife has no recollection of her Dad mentioning a cousin in Pentre. There were quite a few Milliners in the Rhondda fach.
However, given the Glos. connections., I suspect that you and my wife share a common ancestor - maybe Isaac (b. 1739) , or further back.
Thanks again for helping me out.
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Davierj,
I noticed you are researching Jones in West Wales.
I am descended from Thomas Jones (b. Julky, 1801) in Penboyr nr. Newcastle Emlyn. Later in the mid 1800s, he owned Aberlleinau farm.
Any connection?
Thanks.
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Unfortunately I don't think there's a connection with the Jones family. My Jones family were from Montgomeryshire and the Aberystwyth area.
I was aware that Robert Milliner moved to Pentre and his son, my father in law, moved to Aberystwyth. Unfortunately the parish records for Cold Ashton before about 1795 have disappeared so I am unable to trace the Milliners back further than Isaac. He was married in Cold Ashton 20 Apr 1812 and was buried 13 Feb 1853, died age 66 from which I've assumed he was born about 1787. Similarly his wife Margaret was buried 13 Feb 1864 age 74.
Could Isaac be the son of Isaac, born 1739, in Leigh Delamere? Cold Ashton is only 11 miles from Leigh Delamere. I also have a number of Beazers associated with the Milliners.
Dave
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Hi Dave,
Thanks for your reply.
Here are some other questions and comments and perhaps info. that is new:
I do have some questions, and comments:
1. How do we know that Jacob was the son of Isaac Milliner?
I have seen this stated in a number of places on the internet, but it's difficult to know if I'm in an echo chamber, or whether these other postings are a repeat of a single statement. I'm hoping that you can give me a definitive source reference. Also, I have seen posts that say Jacob was born in c. 1739, and his wife Mary in c. 1743. Again, I'm hoping you can give me sources.
2. I have located an online facsimile of a book published in the early 1900s that is a transcript of marriages in various Wilts. parishes.
The Isaac Milliner marriage at Yatton Keynell parish is available here:
Isaac's wife is listed as Mary Bazer in this transcript, but there were people named Beazer, Bezer etc. in this parish, so it's possible that the transcript in the book is incorrect.
3. Other possible Milliner relatives marrying at Leigh Delamere or Yatton Keynell:
3a. There is a marriage of Mary Millener to a Richard Smith in Leigh Delamere on 08/06/1770. Likely a Milliner relative.
3b. There is a marriage of Rebecca Milliner to Thomas Smith on 08/02/1797 at Leigh Delamere
3c. There is a marriage of Mary Milliner to a William Hobbs on 12/09/1797 at Yatton Keynell:
4. Possible Second marriage of Jacob Milliner
From this, it appears that Jacob may have married a second time. Do you have any info. on this?
Regards,
M@rtyn
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Hi Martyn.
Thank you for your information. Unfortunately it looks as if my pocket of Milliners farming at Tynings Farm, Cold Ashton are not connected to those at Leigh Delamere, at least not after about 1790. I've yet to find any definite connection with the family in other parts of Gloucestershire or Wiltshire. The family is, however, connedted to the Hardings, Smarts and Webbs of Wootton Under Edge.
I do have a possible connection via a Milner family of Leigh Delamere. William Milner and his wife Mary had the following children all baptised in Leigh Delamere...............
Mary - 5 Aug 1728
Priscilla - 15 Jan 1730
Elizabeth (Betty) - 7 Oct 1732
William - 5 Mar 1733
Betty married Honour Fry 24 Apr 1757 at Grittleton, he was from the Fry family of Castle Combe and I have been trying to link up these Milners with the Milliners of Cold Ashton, so far with no success. Any help appreciated.
Regards, Dave