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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: fastfusion on Friday 09 May 14 00:23 BST (UK)
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Does anyone know where Bremhill burials are hidden other than Chippenham in the register?????? Need a COMPLETE as poss transcript (not individual entries or fragments)
Have found all probates marriages and births from numerous sources and done pdfs for the latter 2 but the burials are elusive ...
Cheers....
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Have you looked at the Bremhill page on GenUKI?
And from that the section for Church Records?
Where it clearly states that burials for 1590 to 1874 are deposited at Wiltshire and Swindon History Centre.
See http://www.wshc.eu/parish-register-list#B
The Wiltshire OPC site implies that there are NO transcripts available?!
Wiltshire FHS has a booklet available of Bremhill burials. A snip at £6.50 plus p+p! ;D
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No freebies for Bremhill burials,complete in all details or otherwise,by the looks of it,chaps.
Had a look at the WOPC site but couldn't quite twig what you meant,Mr Garrad. It looked to me that they simply haven't been transcribed for their site by any of their volunteers yet. Have I missed something?
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That's what I meant!
The web page is: http://www.wiltshire-opc.org.uk/genealogy/index.php/parish-directory/item/326-bremhill
At the bottom you will find:
Transcriptions
Baptisms
Marriages
Burials
Census 1841 1851 1861 1871 1881 1891 1901 1911
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You are correct Lulu
The OPC page for Bremhill does not yet include transcripts for Bremhill - We are currently working on the census sets but finances do not permit the purchase of the original registers on microfiche as of yet. The page clearly lists those holdings at WSHC
Registers held at WSHC
Baptisms 1591-1990
Marriages 1598-1993
Burials 1590-1874
Burial registers after 1874 are still in use at St. Martin's Church
If it helps anyone - there is a photogallery on the parish page of the memorial stones standing as of 2010
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thanks to everyone for input.......... what a shame they aint available YET.......... and uuuummmm I might have to bite bullet on that booklet(gggrrr) I only took on Bremhill as I saw some of the Yatesbury / Cherhill family names also appear in Bremhill........ so at this point I pity anyone trying to complete genealogies for this town as from the material I have collated it is apparent that there is a need to distinguish fathers and sons named same in regards to marrying or marrying twice.......
the marriage records are fairly in tact for Bremhill with the exception of one period where it looks to me there was a non compliant rector or possibly semi illiterate. The earlier part of the records are probably latinised versions of the names, and the overall perception I feel is there is more phonetic recording of surnames than actual educated forms of the names. Interesting place.......
2nd question I suppose which would assist...... does anyone have a finished compiled list of rectors for the church.......
3rd question ...... gravestones and plaques...?
to researchers doing the village .... the only way at the moment to make some rough determination on the deaths or burials is use the probate index as a guide to when some of the individuals died......
another point to mention is ...... as much as the registers held at WSHC cover an expanded period, from the beginning the fs.o does have them until 1895........ the Bremhill marriage references from 1837 also appear on WiltsBMD to the current but one must have an inkling of the surnames you require..... to enable one to cross compare to St Catherines House Indexes.
given the deaths fall under Calne registration district from 1837 to 1936 once you have a name maybe you will find the death cert ref on St Catherines House Indexes if the person remained in the Calne area until death.... I did notice there was a portion of Bremhill residents dying in Hilmarton and fs.o does record those but it for a very small window.
As I have not completely finished an assessment of the place ( as I have just completed Cherhill as well) there is not much more I can say..........
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to enable one to cross compare to St Catherines House Indexes.
given the deaths fall under Calne registration district from 1837 to 1936 once you have a name maybe you will find the death cert ref on St Catherines House Indexes if the person remained in the Calne area until death....
UMmmm . . . . . The GRO Indexes of Births, Marriages and Deaths haven't been at St Catherines House since 1997!!! ;D ;D
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who cares.... u knows wots i means :)
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But many newer researchers won't understand?
But if you like to use terminology that's 17 years out of date - don't be surprised if people say WOT?!? ;D ;D ;D
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For once I happen to agree with FF regarding the names of the residents of Bremhill. It is extremely difficult to sort out family relationships within this village. Unless you purchase the bmd certificates for events you are never going to be entirely sure who belongs to who. Even the registers can be misleading since the surnames are common in the area such as Pinnegar, Ponting, Henly and their variants. Coupled with that is the use of Given names in the same way. There may be for example 4 or 5 John Pontings all cousins. Then we have the use of the surname as a middle name adding to the mix. Since I regard Bremhill as the my family "seat" as FF regards Yatesbury as his I will eventually purchase the microfiche for the parish which may help in a very small way. But this is one Wiltshire parish hat genealogy is certainly an expensive hobby as you will no doubt need to purchase certificates to be certain.
As I said in a previous post - there are images on the Wilts OPC website of the memorial stones that remain standing in St. Martins Churchyard up to about 2010.
I have been to the Churchyard and walked around the graves and been inside the church to have a look at where my grandfather was baptised. Sadly I hadn't realised I would be involved in family history as much as I am and I did not have the foresight to take a camera. The only plaque I remember looking at was that of the Roll of Honour, since my grandfather (served), great uncle (KIA) and a nephew of my grandfather also KIA are named.
Another spanner in the works is the Moravian burial ground at East Tytherton in the parish. Some of the surnames associated to St. Martins appear their too.
Further to that Foxham which is another tithing of the parish has its own church possibly built as a chapel of ease to St. Martins. St. John's registers at the WSHC are from 1850-1911 for baptisms and burials. I believe it was never licensed to perform marriages.
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A list of the Vicars can be found here - the CCEd database only lists to 1826 unfortunately
http://db.theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/locations/index.jsp
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thanks for the additional replies.....>
just a dumbe question that has emerged on the clergy site.....
the list on the site suggests Wishford Magna.... can I presume that this particular list refers to the church known as Great Wishford.......... cheers :)
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Simply using Google turns up this:
Great Wishford.
The village pre-dates the Norman conquest of 1066, but was only a Hamlet at this time. The name has evolved over the years, with recorded names including Wicheford (meaning a ford where wych-elms grow), Witford, Willesford Magna (mid-16th century) and Wishford Magna (early 17th century). Set into the wall of the church is a series of nine engraved "bread stones" that record the price of bread from 1800 (during the Napoleon blockade) until 2000.
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thanks for that info from google..... i suppose that is a clarification........ so I will attach that list to my Great Wishford materials................ interesting comment about the bread stones...... probably another wonderful innovation by some Shergold in the village( :))......... yer those breadstones ...... some other churches have bread windows ......... would make for an interesting post on rc to bring together all the churches in UK that had made allowances for the pre age before the poor unions or workhouses......
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"Moravian burial ground at East Tytherton".......
could I have some expansion on this....please...ie is there transcripts or the burials online for this part of the Hundred. thank you.
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If you had taken a look at the page on GenUKI for Bremhill, you would have seen:
Indexes and registers of the church of East Tytherton, Moravian or United Brethren, Bremhill:
IGI Chr 1748-1840 Batch C078041 (RG4 3061), Mar 1750-1775 and 1786-1832 Batch M078041
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WIL/Bremhill/index.shtml
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good o...... more interested in online material availibility if i can to complete the matching on the Calne registration District cert references and other materials............
I am checking against other sites as much as I can remember to do to finalise this project so I can move onto Hampshire material.....Hilmarton is being done as I sit here at the moment ..........
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Nigel Pocock (contactable) via the Wiltshire OPC site is involved in the restoration of the burial ground - he may be able to provide more information as he is in contact with the Moravian Church Headquarters. There are several items on the page about the Moravians including a wonderful account of a young slave girl educated at the Moravian School - Leonara Carr who is also buried in "Lambs Acre"
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thanks for that.... uuuummmm been a long time since I have seen Nigels name mentioned...... ;)
it is a part of Calne registration district for which I am unfamiliar so any help is going to be welcomed.
Mentioning slaves....... yes part of my fh is the identifying of a slave's murderer by the rector of Devizes... Slavery in England is a topic which not many folk I talk to have heard about..... It is also a part of genealogy for which I have never seen any records for, nor do I know about overall which would make for an interesting topic on the boards in its own right. I do know my family had slaves on the plantation and in the newspaper / printery in Jamaica for which were recorded and I do know some English sold themselves into the caper probably to get out of desperate hunger, but other than that my family seemed to be unaffected..... excluding of course the period of transportation but that was more penal cruelty than slavery.......
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Hi
The monthly parish mag in Bremhill is printing an article on the soldiers from ww1 who died on the 100th anniversary of death. You mention elsewhere that you have two relatives on this list. Can you let me know the names please and any info pictures etc you might have.
Thank you
David
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If you can contact me by PM I can give you my e-mail I can then send you details of everything I have on all of the Bremhill Casualties
Teresa
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For once I happen to agree with FF regarding the names of the residents of Bremhill. It is extremely difficult to sort out family relationships within this village. Unless you purchase the bmd certificates for events you are never going to be entirely sure who belongs to who. Even the registers can be misleading since the surnames are common in the area such as Pinnegar, Ponting, Henly and their variants. Coupled with that is the use of Given names in the same way. There may be for example 4 or 5 John Pontings all cousins. Then we have the use of the surname as a middle name adding to the mix.
And Johns and Josephs and Henrys and Williams , all intermingling in my Hatherell/all family :(
But I can wait and I must add here the great work the WOPC does for us who live overseas and the resources they provide...so thank you :)
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We try our best - am beginning to compile the baptism records for the site but its a long haul as their are thousands of entries - I plan to add about 800 baptisms per document so that they can at least start to be put on the site.
And thank you for you kind words about the WOPC - on the odd occasion we can't please all.
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Thank you for your very prompt reply. I am not sure how to PM but will attempt to contact you that way. Any info on your Bremhill soldier ancestors will be of real interest to me and Bremhill people through the Parish Mag.
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Thank you for your very prompt reply. I am not sure how to PM but will attempt to contact you that way. Any info on your Bremhill soldier ancestors will be of real interest to me and Bremhill people through the Parish Mag.
Have made 3 posts and then you can :)
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Click on the circle with what looks like a page of writing in under Trancesgirl name to PM them. You may have to make another post first to bring your posts total up to 3 before PMs are allowed.
[as dgibbins02 said]
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Thank you all for your advice, far too complicated for me but will do my best. Comments appreciated.
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yes the Hatherell family did present problems, and as did a few others in the Calne registration district, especially when the Blacklands, and Cherhill transcriptions are not readily available....
It has been a quest over the last few years to match all the available certificate references for Calne but unfortunately pre 1837 where there is little online structuring around the area is very difficult.
One annoying facet is that lack of burial entries for Cherhill and Blackland, as well as some of the non anglican church records........
Burkes tells us that the parish records are fairly complete right back in some cases to 1450 but we cant get back to 1650 with some of the online material....
I understand WiltsOPC position in transcribing but surely someone else over the last few hundred years made copies of materials... yet we cannot find them or their work.....