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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: colliersbairn on Wednesday 30 April 14 02:17 BST (UK)
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I have traced my ancestry to Isobel Montgomery who married Robert Fulton sometime in around 1770. I can't find any trace of a marriage but their children were christened in Beith starting in 1772. There is no mention that the children were illegitimate either. I did find an Isobel Montgomery married to an Arthur Lang in 1766 in Lochwinnoch. I assume this is my Isobel and that her marriage to Robert Fulton was a second marriage. There does not appear to be Lang children. The marriage lines state her father is Hugh Montgomery of Meikle Cloak. According to a great nephew, Isobel's brother John Montgomery demolished Cloak Castle to sell off for building materials and that the land had been in the family for 400 years. In a couple of Commissariots I found the mention of a Hugh who died in 1633 and a John whose wife Marion died in 1598 but nothing in between. Has anyone heard of this family? Cloak Castle and the associated farmhouse Meikle Cloak are on the banks of the Calder about a mile from Lochwinnoch.
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You cannot assume that it is the same Isobel. Unless you have definite proof, you could end up spending ages tracing a family to which you have no connection. The fact that you cannot find the record of a marriage between her and Robert Fulton just means that the record was never made or does not survive. As you say, the couple were married, as the entries for the baptisms of their children make this clear. If any of the witnesses to the baptisms of the Fulton children were from the Montgomery family of Meikle Cloak, or if one of the children were called Hugh, it might be worth looking into, otherwise it would be mere speculation.
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Yes, I'm aware but there were very few Isobels born or married in the area. Unfortunately the baptismal records of the children just say Robert Fulton and Isobel Montgomery of Newtown. There are no witnesses listed. And all the entries state that. Isobel was noted as living at Banks End at the time of her marriage to Lang. Banks End apparently became Barr Cottage. The Fulton children were declared to be from Newtown or Newton of Barr which is the same area. Given I can only find two Isobel Montgomery's christened in the area one in Eaglesham and the other in Lochwinnoch both to a father called Hugh, I think I can assume I've got the right one. There is no marriage for the Eaglesham Isabel. I have a feeling she fell out with her family. She's changed churches from Lochwinnoch to Beith for the christenings and she did not name any of her children Hugh. They are all named after the Fulton side - Anne, Robert, Andrew and the last one is called Montgomery. Proud of her name but not of her father?
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Dear Colliersbairn, my family name is Collier and my sister and I are decendants of Robert and Isobel. Who are you ? Please reply.
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Hi there,
I am descended from Robert and Isobel as well through their son Robert Fulton and his wife Jean Caldwell, their son James Fulton and his wife Isabella Lusk , their son Andrew Fulton and his wife Mary Adams and their daughter Elizabeth and her husband William Irvine.
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I was intrigued by your user name of collier because that was my maiden name. I am a decendant of Robert and am trying to find out more about Isobel. My great grandmother insisted that Isobel was part of the Montgomeries of Eglinton. I'l trying to find out if that could be true. My mother went to the church in Beith to search for information.
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I researched the lands of Meikle Cloak on Scotland's Places and apparently the land was leased to the Montgomeries from Paisley Abbey.
Abt 1520 • Meikle Cloak, Renfrewshire, Scotland
Clook - Assedatur one William Montgomerie yearly three blocks of cheese and three bull calves - Black Book of Paisley Abbey.
If they were a relation of the Montgomeries of Eglinton, it is probably lost in the mists of time. They've held the lands of Meikle Cloak since the fifteenth century up until today.
I picked the name Colliersbairn because both sides of my family were coal miners.
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Thank you for getting back to me. If I find out more I shall post the info to you on this site. Best wishes, Julia.
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Hello I'm new to this so please forgive me I saw the name Montgomery any relation to Lafracoth Montgomery O'Brien Princess of Ireland and Munster during research I found she maybe my 27th great grandmother
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I doubt it. Our Montgomeries are in Scotland and probably descend from the main branch in Wales.
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An Arthour Lang's death is recorded in the Parish registers in Abbey in 9.12.1783. If it is the same Arthour that married Isobel could it be that she never actually married Robert Fulton? People didn't just divorce in those days....perhaps that is why their children were baptized in Beith, and why she may have fallen out with her family. I'm also wondering if when she became involved with Robert Arthour left her. Perhaps that is why she carried on living at the same address. There is a flaw to this theory though....The birth of my ancestor, their son Robert, is registered as "lawful", which I guess means legitimate. Any thoughts about all this? I would love to hear from you. Julia.
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Hi Julia,
The first of Isobel's children to Robert - Ann 1772 "Daughter lawful of Robert Fulton and Isabel Montgomerie of Newtown". Now the marriage between Arthour Lang and Isobel is listed as "booked". Maybe it never happened. Some registers state the difference between banns and the actual marriage. The sentence is usually "X and Y gave up their names on such a date and were married on another date." This one just says booked. I can't find a marriage for Isobel and Robert and assume they were not Church of Scotland.
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Thanks again for your help. I think that I'm not accessing the same documents as you. The one I found on Scotlands People re the Lang Montgomerie marriage doesn't show 'booked'. Where did you see this? I think that they must have been Church of Scotland because they christened the children in Beith church. Best, Julia.
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Hi there,
I'm back at work so not enough time for genealogy. It says "booked" at the very top of the register. Obviously the minister at this parish was too lazy to state the difference between banns and marriage.
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I have traced my ancestry to Isobel Montgomery who married Robert Fulton sometime in around 1770. I can't find any trace of a marriage but their children were christened in Beith starting in 1772. There is no mention that the children were illegitimate either. I did find an Isobel Montgomery married to an Arthur Lang in 1766 in Lochwinnoch. I assume this is my Isobel and that her marriage to Robert Fulton was a second marriage. There does not appear to be Lang children. The marriage lines state her father is Hugh Montgomery of Meikle Cloak. According to a great nephew, Isobel's brother John Montgomery demolished Cloak Castle to sell off for building materials and that the land had been in the family for 400 years. In a couple of Commissariots I found the mention of a Hugh who died in 1633 and a John whose wife Marion died in 1598 but nothing in between. Has anyone heard of this family? Cloak Castle and the associated farmhouse Meikle Cloak are on the banks of the Calder about a mile from Lochwinnoch.
Yes I have heard of and descend from this family. My grandfather collected genealogical notes on the Montgomery of Cloak family in the fifties which I have gone over myself recently.
I descend from Hugh Montgomery's son William who resided at the now long gone castle at Cloak near Lochwinnoch. William did have a sister called Isabell but I am not aware of whether she married a Robert Fulton however perhaps by coincidence there is a Robert Fulton in her family tree. This Robert Fulton was father of Agnes Fulton who married Humphra Barbour June 8, 1742. Their second child was Agnes Barbour who married the aforementioned William Montgomery, brother of Isabell. So Robert Fulton was not her husband but her sister in law's grandfather. Agnes also had previously married Reverend Robert Hall.
I possess a document received by William and Agnes' son William Montgomery Jnr (1788-1861) dated to 1825 and informing him of his appointment as Justice of the Peace for Renfrewshire. Isabell was his aunt.
I hope this is of some use to you.
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Hi there,
I have Baptismal records of children to Robert Fulton and Isabell Montgomery. The name Robert is quite numerous in the Fulton family tree. Both Isabell's first husband Arthur Lang and Robert Fulton were subscribers to the same religious publications (Phronema to Pneumatos or the Grace and Duty of being spiritually-minded, Declared and practically improved, and Epistologia: or, a Declaration of the Glorious Mystery of the Person of Christ, God and Man.) which indicates some form of familiarity. Isabell's marriage to Arthur Lang was recorded as the following: "31 Oct 1767, Arthour Lang, weaver and Isabell Montgomerie in Bank-End, daughter of Hew of Meikle-Cloak". Arthur died two years later in 1769. Isabell married some time between that and 1772 when her first child to Robert Fulton was born. Robert was also a widower at the time. The dates fit.