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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Sam Stoat on Tuesday 29 April 14 12:46 BST (UK)
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First, I'm after the name of the vicar. I get Jones, but not his first name.
Second, is the first witness. William is easy enough, but the rest has got me. Is that a middle initial, or "le"?
Any help appreciated.
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Is it in Wales? 'Cos vicar looks like Pryce Jones to me, and that sounds Welsh!
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Is it in Wales?
Newcastle Upon Tyne, actually. Nothing stopping a Welshman coming up here, though, so could be. The parish is St. John's. Anyway of finding who was vicar in 1838?
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Is his signature any clearer on the other marriages on the page?
Actually it is probably a cert, not a PR entry, so forget that.
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Is this the Church?
http://www.stjohnthebaptistnewcastle.co.uk/
If so, why not contact them and ask who the vicar was in 1838?
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familysearch has images of parish registers for St John, Newcastle. They are browse only, and as far as I can see there are only baptisms and burials. In 1838 names of officiating ministers are Maughan, Simpson, Wright ..and R N L Jones, who always signs with initials for his forenames.
There was a C of E minister named Pryce Jones at this time, who was vicar of Helmdon in Northamptonshire. It is possible that he was a relative of R N L Jones, who happened to be visiting and assisting at St John's for some reason when the marriage took place. P. Jones/Pryce Jones was performing baptisms and burials at St John's in September and October of 1838.
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P. Jones/Pryce Jones was performing baptisms and burials at St John's in September and October of 1838.
The marriage was on 13th of October, so I think we'll say Pryce.
Thanks for the vicar. First witness, anybody?
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First stab.....
William C Coats
or *oots
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I see
William Oliver's X mark
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The vicar's name looks like Ryce Jones, which would fit with Galium's R N L Jones.
And I have a hankering for William Clovells
Colin
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The capital 'C' in Church on the line above is very distinctive.
I dont think the surname of William begins with a 'C' as it is different.
I first thought it was a middle initial K, then a surname, but not sure.
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The capital 'C' in Church on the line above is very distinctive.
I dont think the surname of William begins with a 'C' as it is different.
I first thought it was a middle initial K, then a surname, but not sure.
I agree with Liz - but can't read the surname either!!
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I also agree with Liz and Wiggy but would suggest that it was common practice for an assistant such as Parish Clerk to complete the details of a certificate and leave only the signatures to be completed after the ceremony.
It's impossible to say if this was the case, but it might be worth considering. ;)
Colin
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William Oliver's X mark
I agree with Geoff-E. :)
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In the 1841 census, Joseph and Sarah (the married couple) live in Bells Close, West Denton. I found a William Oliver also living in Bells Close. It's a fair bet that's him.
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Good find, Sam. :)
Re the handwriting, I think your certificate copy is from the GRO? In this case what you see is a transcription from the original register into the GRO's books, and all the writing, including signatures will be by the same person.
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My take - Pryce Jones - William C Woods - Joseph Reed
Jennifer
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1] after Banns
2] Ryce Jones
3] Joseph Wm Reed
4] William C Woods X mark
[my first look at William I wondered if it was clovely, seemed to be a by or ly ending.]
Crowsfeet